New Nehalem socket is... large.

[runawayprisoner]

Nehalem's new CPU socket is bigger and more robust - The INQUIRER

And... seems like we're going to need a complete system overhaul. As in... new motherboard, new CPU, new cooler (might not be out for a while, and we may need to modify our own, or stick with Intel's stock, which sucks) and even new RAM sticks... make it DDR3 ONLY! Considering the price of DDR3 right now, I don't even know if I want to go for this? It might well be a $1000 upgrade for... what? A new CPU! That's like buying a QX9650 right there. Actually, for $1000, it's enough to build a really powerful system... and then overclock that system to Nehalem's level... or beyond.

[Thanakil]

Hot damn, I'm sure as hell not buying one as soon as it's released =/. I already rarely spend MUCH money on upgrades, that'd be suicidal.

[Fadingz]

I think Intel just wants to monopolize the hardware market

[runawayprisoner]

But they are overdoing it with Nehalem. Technology-wise, Nehalem is overkill... and then you need a completely new kind of system for Nehalem?

[Fadingz]

I rather go dual Xeon
(since I'll be building workstations XD)

[runawayprisoner]

I'm going water-cooling... and next week, I'll do the ultimate test: 4.5GHz C2D with PCSX2! Hopefully, that'll be enough for some games...

[Fadingz]

I'll go water cool when I somehow gather up another $400 @@"
but I still need to finsih the basic stuff first...like my mobo, OS, GPU, Case LOL (and mouse)

[runawayprisoner]

I'm reviewing my liquid-cooling options... Seems like some can be had for quite cheap, you know.

[PCXL-Fan]

They do the whole socket change over thing to maximize profit.

If they wanted to they probably could have stuck with the 775.

1 plus for AMD is they don't do socket changes as frequently as intel.

[Fadingz]

it's like the new edition for all the textbooks in college...

[StriderVM]

But it's still up for vendors to provide BIOS upgrades for older mobos, like the Phenom compability thing....

For me, it's another serious gamble for Intel. I think there's still this small chance, they'll have the same problems as AMD's processors due to the new stuff they'll all be pulling in this new processor.

Or speed per mhz will improve but the current Core2Duo can still match their speed. (Due to their extreme overclocking potential.) If this happens, it's gonna be a hard time for Intel to sell it.

[runawayprisoner]

Oh well, at least that will give AMD some time to retaliate. I mean... they can barely keep up with 65nm C2Q and 65nm C2D as they are right now.

[skoreanime]

Meh, I'll probably upgrade my GPU and maybe a new CPU+RAM later on then upgrade to Nehalem. I'm quite content with what the current Intel has to offer with my needs.

[cottonvibes]

my next upgrade, i planed on going intel so i need to get a new mobo anyways.
but DDR3 only

its so damn expensive, and i don't think its much better than ddr2.

and its going to be a pain to find a HSF for that socket.
i think i might just have to get a QXxxxx processor instead, but we'll see...
i mean if these babies can hit 5Ghz, then i might be willing to pay the extra money.

[Borisz]

Originally Posted by runawayprisoner

seems like we're going to need a complete system overhaul. As in... new motherboard, new CPU, new cooler

There was never any doubt that Nehalem will use a new socket; it has an integrated memory controller so it needs an entire new system without FSB. This was well known for many months.

[cottonvibes]

i hope the "integrated memory controller" is more beneficial than harmful.
since AMD chips already have one, i theorize thats 1 reason they can't OC as good.
but i have no evidence to support this.
just that the more the CPU has to do, the less you can overclock it because it would be more prone to errors.

[skid]

Nehelem is due for release at the beginning of 2009. I'm going to wait until the end of 2009 before I buy it. And I won't buy one until they can hit at least 5.5Ghz. I am not expecting the awesome improvement that the C2D had, more like hoping for a slightly faster cpu than a penryn. By then, the DDR3 prices might have dropped to more affordable prices too. 8-core (octo) processors are expected to be available, but I'll settle for quad

[cottonvibes]

yeah i agree with you skid.
but the end of 2009 is so far away

i'm probably not going to wait that long, but i am going to wait like 1-2 months to see if people experience any problems with the CPU.
like the phenoms with their crapy L3 cache eratum; i'm glad i didn't buy one of those when they first came out.

[John Aiton]

Originally Posted by Fadingz

I think Intel just wants to monopolize the hardware market

they are making hard disks now to release later this year
for real, intel ssd ftw!

Originally Posted by PCXL-Fan

They do the whole socket change over thing to maximize profit.

If they wanted to they probably could have stuck with the 775.

1 plus for AMD is they don't do socket changes as frequently as intel.

it's because nehalem has an integrated memory controller iirc

anyways.....I posted nehalem PICTURES months ago LOL

search for "nehalem is a big chip" i think..

[cottonvibes]

R.A.P. totally copied you john :O