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**fivefeet8** · March 19th, 2008

EVGA 9800GX2 QUAD SLI + 790i Ultra SLI - nV News Forums

Here's someone who has 2 of them in Quad SLI system. Yes, it's the same guy that works for EVGA.

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Phil · March 19th, 2008

i know why now the price for the 9800 gtx is only 400....it's going to be a complete waste...i was hoping to get the 9800gx2....but i guess i'm going to have to wait for something better, hopely from ATI

Aiton it does look like a ps2.

PCXL-Fan · March 19th, 2008

Its not that bad price wise...I got my 8800GTX back in may 07 for $650.

Though I must admit the 8800GTX was leaps and bounds ahead of the 7900GTX in many instances.

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**SCHUMI_4EVER** · March 19th, 2008

Did the 7950GX2 get any love by the way....I highly doubt it...just cuz ATI had some luck in trying to take the crown back with a dual card does not mean nVidia had to jump on the same bandwagon...they should have learnt from back then that dual cards simply aint cool...if they neeeded the crown back that badly they could have just made a dual card based off the latest 8800GTS (calling it 8850GX2 or something like that) whilst working on their next flagship SINGLE card...

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runawayprisoner · March 19th, 2008

Too bad they already used the G92 chips for 8800 cards... so they can't just magically have something better for 9800 cards? Hmm... maybe a G94 with twice the shader processing units would do. I mean... a G94 with only 64 stream processors perform almost on par with a G92 with 128 stream processors already.

I wonder if the 9800GT wouldn't be like that...?

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d0x! · March 20th, 2008

well apparantly the current 9600GT drivers dont tell the real core speed of the 9600GT.

its actually running faster than whats being reported by the driver.
and im amazed nvidia havent bothered to update the 169.25/21 drivers for three months for the 8/7/6 series gpus.

you can easily mod the 174.16 drivers to install on those cards and get a good performance boost

**fivefeet8** · March 20th, 2008

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Originally Posted by d0x!

well apparantly the current 9600GT drivers dont tell the real core speed of the 9600GT.

its actually running faster than whats being reported by the driver.
and im amazed nvidia havent bothered to update the 169.25/21 drivers for three months for the 8/7/6 series gpus.
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The clock speeds of the 9600gt seems to be affected by the speed of the PCIe bus. If you overclock your PCIe clock, so does the graphic card. If you don't overclock the PCIe bus, the card will be clocked like it should.

There have been numerous beta updates, but if you're looking for WHQL drivers, then yep, those don't get updated that frequently.

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runawayprisoner · March 20th, 2008

Myth no. 1: card is overclocked with PCIe bus: busted. Why? Because I tried taking the PCIe bus up to 125MHz, and the difference between 100MHz and 125MHz... stays the same. Rivatuner, GPU-Z, and any other possible program just report the card's clocks at their stock speeds: 675/900.

Myth no. 2: driver is reporting wrong clocks: I don't know about this one... but if they are then these cards can clock way higher than 750MHz core and 2200MHz mem with just the stock card... and no volt mod?

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Squall-Leonhart · March 21st, 2008

This card is obviously limited by immature and buggy drivers.

and most likely even the CPU.

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Originally Posted by d0x!

well apparantly the current 9600GT drivers dont tell the real core speed of the 9600GT.

its actually running faster than whats being reported by the driver.
and im amazed nvidia havent bothered to update the 169.25/21 drivers for three months for the 8/7/6 series gpus.

you can easily mod the 174.16 drivers to install on those cards and get a good performance boost

yes well, if you want working AA your best off using 169.61, and the hacked BFG bios im sending around.

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PCXL-Fan · March 21st, 2008

Conspiracy Theory: o

OOo

oh!

Nvidia is holding back the release of mature drivers for the 9800GX2 on puropse or not devoting enough time or resources to its developement imo. Probably to artificially keep demand for the old G80 cards and worth of the the 780i and 790i triple SLI feature. Particlularily to keep a reason to buy some 8800GTX and triple SLI them.\

What say you Squall?

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Phil · March 21st, 2008

I doubt nVidia is holding back development....and i have a hutch that the 9800gx2 is not going to be there top offering......look at the realease schedule of the 8800gtx and the 8800 ultra....which was about 6-8 months....so nVidia might be spending their rescources on the new product. the 9800gx2 is probably just a temporary stopgap to take the fps crown back from Ati

**Cid Highwind** · March 21st, 2008

Why hold back development? It's the midrange where the money is made, every 3870 sold means a potential loss for nVidia because they could've bought the 9600GT. It doesn't really makes sense to me, unless they think the prestige with an all out devastation caused by the 9800x2 weighs up against it.

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d0x! · March 21st, 2008

9600GT not only competes with HD3870 but also the 8800GT

but i dont really see people with 8800 series wanting to move up to 9800GX2.

**SCHUMI_4EVER** · March 21st, 2008

Especially not ayone with an 8800GTS 512 card....

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Squall-Leonhart · March 21st, 2008

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Originally Posted by Cid Highwind

Why hold back development? It's the midrange where the money is made, every 3870 sold means a potential loss for nVidia because they could've bought the 9600GT. It doesn't really makes sense to me, unless they think the prestige with an all out devastation caused by the 9800x2 weighs up against it.

its all about money.

if the 9800GX2 isn't too fast, then they still earn up to $200 more when people by SLI GTX or Ultra(heck)

the point is, that the 9800GX2 is 2 GTX? on 1 board, the problem with this, is that the 8800 considers the PCIE as a bottleneck when to much data is put through it, especially with the PCI-E 1 and 2 specs, theres a fair overhead preventing bus hungry cards such as this from reaching the full potential.

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runawayprisoner · March 21st, 2008

Nah, especially anyone with a 9600GT. I swear my 9600GT runs hella cooler and almost as fast as my 8800GTS G92.

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ViperXtreme · March 22nd, 2008

the 9800GX2 has two 8800GTS (G92) onboard afaik

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**SCHUMI_4EVER** · March 22nd, 2008

Then how come 2 of those in SLI beat it?

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ViperXtreme · March 22nd, 2008

^immature drivers perhaps? but lookin at the specs, its using the G92 core instead of the G80

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**Xtreme2damax** · March 22nd, 2008

When I build my new PC I'll stick with the 9600GT, the 9800GX2 seems a bit overrated for the price and doesn't seem to offer much more in terms of performance over the 8800GTX/Ultra.

Nvidia hyped this up and made it seem as if we were going to see a mega increase of FPS and performance in games such as Crysis when the gain in performance is quite negligible and quite meh compared to it's predecessors.

Right now it seems the best bang for your buck is either the 8800GT/9600GT and possibly the 8800GTS.

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March 19th, 2008	#21 (permalink)
fivefeet8 &-)---\|--< Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Smallville Posts: 7,647	EVGA 9800GX2 QUAD SLI + 790i Ultra SLI - nV News Forums Here's someone who has 2 of them in Quad SLI system. Yes, it's the same guy that works for EVGA. __________________ Play emulated games online Main Rig\|\|Intel Q6600@3.2 ghertz\|4x1gb DDR2 1066\|Asrock 1600sli 110db LGA 775\|EVGA 8800gtx@620/1450/975\|2x Seagate 160gb SATA150 Raid0\|250 gb Samsung SATA2 HD\|Seagate 7000.10 500gb HD\|NEC 3520 4x/8x DVD+R/RW DL burner\|Antec TP 650 watt\|40" Sony Bravia 1080p\|20.1" 5ms LCD 1680x1050 Native\|Logitec 5.1 Speaker System w/15" Sub\|Dual Boot Ubuntu 64bit/Vista 32bit\|\| SimplyBuyIt - My Online Mall

March 19th, 2008	#22 (permalink)
Phil You mean the world to me. Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Maryland, USA Posts: 8,910	i know why now the price for the 9800 gtx is only 400....it's going to be a complete waste...i was hoping to get the 9800gx2....but i guess i'm going to have to wait for something better, hopely from ATI Aiton it does look like a ps2.

March 19th, 2008	#24 (permalink)
SCHUMI_4EVER Hackin 'n Slashin Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Corrupt Rapist run South Africa Posts: 9,941	Did the 7950GX2 get any love by the way....I highly doubt it...just cuz ATI had some luck in trying to take the crown back with a dual card does not mean nVidia had to jump on the same bandwagon...they should have learnt from back then that dual cards simply aint cool...if they neeeded the crown back that badly they could have just made a dual card based off the latest 8800GTS (calling it 8850GX2 or something like that) whilst working on their next flagship SINGLE card... __________________ Intel Core2Quad Q9550 (2.83Ghz stock) \| ASUS P5Q \| 2x2GB Transcend JetRam DDR2-800 \| ASUS ENGTX260\HDTP\896M Leadtek Winfast DTV2000H \| Creative Sound Blaster Audigy Value \| Windows Vista Home Premium SP1 64bit The Champ has retired, but may his Legacy live on FOREVER !!!! !!! WARNING: Emulation requires a brain !!! WARNING: Emulation =/= Piracy !!! No$GBA DS FAQ 2.0 Get it right fools! The glass is HALF-EMPTY, not half-full!!!

March 19th, 2008	#25 (permalink)
runawayprisoner Mobile Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Santa Cruz, CA Posts: 5,875	Too bad they already used the G92 chips for 8800 cards... so they can't just magically have something better for 9800 cards? Hmm... maybe a G94 with twice the shader processing units would do. I mean... a G94 with only 64 stream processors perform almost on par with a G92 with 128 stream processors already. I wonder if the 9800GT wouldn't be like that...? __________________ cChip interpreter WIP - current status: Release Candidate LRx Filter RC - current performance rating: 9/10

March 20th, 2008	#26 (permalink)
d0x! el dox0r Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: uk Posts: 25	well apparantly the current 9600GT drivers dont tell the real core speed of the 9600GT. its actually running faster than whats being reported by the driver. and im amazed nvidia havent bothered to update the 169.25/21 drivers for three months for the 8/7/6 series gpus. you can easily mod the 174.16 drivers to install on those cards and get a good performance boost

March 20th, 2008	#28 (permalink)
runawayprisoner Mobile Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Santa Cruz, CA Posts: 5,875	Myth no. 1: card is overclocked with PCIe bus: busted. Why? Because I tried taking the PCIe bus up to 125MHz, and the difference between 100MHz and 125MHz... stays the same. Rivatuner, GPU-Z, and any other possible program just report the card's clocks at their stock speeds: 675/900. Myth no. 2: driver is reporting wrong clocks: I don't know about this one... but if they are then these cards can clock way higher than 750MHz core and 2200MHz mem with just the stock card... and no volt mod? __________________ cChip interpreter WIP - current status: Release Candidate LRx Filter RC - current performance rating: 9/10

March 21st, 2008	#31 (permalink)
Phil You mean the world to me. Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Maryland, USA Posts: 8,910	I doubt nVidia is holding back development....and i have a hutch that the 9800gx2 is not going to be there top offering......look at the realease schedule of the 8800gtx and the 8800 ultra....which was about 6-8 months....so nVidia might be spending their rescources on the new product. the 9800gx2 is probably just a temporary stopgap to take the fps crown back from Ati

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Cid Highwind Human Metal Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Holland / Hungary Posts: 12,774	Why hold back development? It's the midrange where the money is made, every 3870 sold means a potential loss for nVidia because they could've bought the 9600GT. It doesn't really makes sense to me, unless they think the prestige with an all out devastation caused by the 9800x2 weighs up against it. __________________ PC Specs: CPU: Intel Q8200 @ 2.8GHz GPU: Sapphire ATi HD4870 / 1024MB / Core: 801 / Mem: 1000 Mobo: Gigabyte EP35-DS3 (rev 2.1) SPU: Creative X-Fi Xtreme Music RAM: 2GB Kingston HyperX DDR2 1066 @ 4-4-4-12 ~ 800MHz HDD: 1TB Samsung Spinpoint, 32MB PSU: Hiper Type-R 580W Monitor: Iiyama B2403WS / 19201200 Geometry Wars: 198.400 Lumines: 999.999 Join the NGEmu Folding @ Home community NOW!*

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d0x! el dox0r Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: uk Posts: 25	9600GT not only competes with HD3870 but also the 8800GT but i dont really see people with 8800 series wanting to move up to 9800GX2.

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SCHUMI_4EVER Hackin 'n Slashin Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Corrupt Rapist run South Africa Posts: 9,941	Especially not ayone with an 8800GTS 512 card.... __________________ Intel Core2Quad Q9550 (2.83Ghz stock) \| ASUS P5Q \| 2x2GB Transcend JetRam DDR2-800 \| ASUS ENGTX260\HDTP\896M Leadtek Winfast DTV2000H \| Creative Sound Blaster Audigy Value \| Windows Vista Home Premium SP1 64bit The Champ has retired, but may his Legacy live on FOREVER !!!! !!! WARNING: Emulation requires a brain !!! WARNING: Emulation =/= Piracy !!! No$GBA DS FAQ 2.0 Get it right fools! The glass is HALF-EMPTY, not half-full!!!

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runawayprisoner Mobile Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Santa Cruz, CA Posts: 5,875	Nah, especially anyone with a 9600GT. I swear my 9600GT runs hella cooler and almost as fast as my 8800GTS G92. __________________ cChip interpreter WIP - current status: Release Candidate LRx Filter RC - current performance rating: 9/10

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ViperXtreme Irregular User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Manila, Philippines Posts: 1,419	the 9800GX2 has two 8800GTS (G92) onboard afaik __________________ System Specs? what "system specs?" are those edible? My Deviantart: http://viperxtreme.deviantart.com

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SCHUMI_4EVER Hackin 'n Slashin Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Corrupt Rapist run South Africa Posts: 9,941	Then how come 2 of those in SLI beat it? __________________ Intel Core2Quad Q9550 (2.83Ghz stock) \| ASUS P5Q \| 2x2GB Transcend JetRam DDR2-800 \| ASUS ENGTX260\HDTP\896M Leadtek Winfast DTV2000H \| Creative Sound Blaster Audigy Value \| Windows Vista Home Premium SP1 64bit The Champ has retired, but may his Legacy live on FOREVER !!!! !!! WARNING: Emulation requires a brain !!! WARNING: Emulation =/= Piracy !!! No$GBA DS FAQ 2.0 Get it right fools! The glass is HALF-EMPTY, not half-full!!!

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ViperXtreme Irregular User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Manila, Philippines Posts: 1,419	^immature drivers perhaps? but lookin at the specs, its using the G92 core instead of the G80 __________________ System Specs? what "system specs?" are those edible? My Deviantart: http://viperxtreme.deviantart.com

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Xtreme2damax T-5000 Modenator Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Here, there, everywhere, even in your couch cushions.. Posts: 2,831	When I build my new PC I'll stick with the 9600GT, the 9800GX2 seems a bit overrated for the price and doesn't seem to offer much more in terms of performance over the 8800GTX/Ultra. Nvidia hyped this up and made it seem as if we were going to see a mega increase of FPS and performance in games such as Crysis when the gain in performance is quite negligible and quite meh compared to it's predecessors. Right now it seems the best bang for your buck is either the 8800GT/9600GT and possibly the 8800GTS. __________________ \| Xtemulation Forums \| Dolphin SVN Builds \| \| XTemulation Wiki \| PCSX2 SVN Builds \|