AMD vs Intel (2008)

[StriderVM]

Originally Posted by gamefreak94

Nooooo I'm not saying that! I'm saying Pentium Ds haven't become very popular here.

Sorry... I mean it as a joke. What I mean in our Country (Which isnt that far from yours. ) in the late nineties, finding an AMD processor is very rare. Which in your country, sadly it's still rare.

However in your country it's starting to trickle in, however it's not widespread enough for any price competition to happen. It happens to us and well, an Athlon64 X2 5200 only costs less than $100.

So my point is, I'm not saying you're wrong. It's like do not judge a processor when the availability of that processor and thus motherboards in your country is very limited.

There are lots of websites that can prove that compared to the Pentium 4's... The AMD processors of that time (AthlonXP) was actually cooler than their Intel equivalents.

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[gamefreak94]

People have a bad image here i guess (me too by the looks of it), so much so that the word "computer" has become synonymous with the word "Intel". Ask a computer illiterate person, "Which brand is your laptop?" Answer, "Intel I think" (no you dumbass I meant Dell, HP, Lenovo, which?)

an Athlon64 X2 5200 only costs less than $100.

I'd definetly buy it if it were that cheap

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[guymelef]

They are right about 100$ bucks, give or take 10 dollars.

The good intels are only another 100 though.

Take your pick, for most users (85-90%) you won't notice a difference.

[FireFLower]

Okay here is a tip for you who are waiting for Nehalem. Currently Nehalem is 13-30% faster with same frequancy than C2D or C2Q with early Nehalem tests.

Nehalem has also new socket so old LGA 775 cpu coolers won't fit in LGA 1335 cpu's without new mounting. My bet is we will see 2kg air cooler monsters when Nehalem is released and these coolers are wired to your case in order not to bend your motherboard. =)

Well I will buy my next PC when 128bit, 256bit or optical processor comes out.

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[Squall-Leonhart]

Nahalem is designed to have a good thermal displacement ratio.

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[guymelef]

AMD is talking about 4 quarter release of the new 45nm dens.

[gamefreak94]

AMD still doesn't have much to rival Intel's Core 2 Extreme series, but then thats for true enthusiasts who want the very best in performance and have no consideration for price.

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[QuantumDelta]

And they never will.
AMD gave up THAT game a long time ago

[Cheesus]

That's what they said for their graphics cards a few months back. Power consumption over performance was what they said... Just look at the 4870X2 now.

Fingers crossed for a similar faith in their CPU department.

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[Squall-Leonhart]

montreal will be 2 quad cores stuck together.

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[gamefreak94]

Originally Posted by QuantumDelta

And they never will.
AMD gave up THAT game a long time ago

But surely now, when even the C2E series is being replaced by Nehalem, AMD has to come up with some sort of answer, and it has to be good. Another Phenom X4 series will make Intel a solo manufacturer in the CPU world (companies like Via Tech. are almost transparent I guess)

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[corvex]

I decided to vote AMD since everyone is voting Intel . The truth is AMD is just as important as Intel. Without AMD we would have slower p.o.s. Intel chips since there would be no reason for Intel to be competitive. The truth is Intel AT THE MOMENT is better than AMD hands down (changes often). However, I do believe unless you are a benchmark freak (and like to spend amounts of money that could be spent elsewhere) AMD is still the better dual-core option only because of there price. For me dollar per output, AMD wins over Intel in the dual-core market, but comes up short in the Quad-Core. Truth be told, go for the best price and don't swear to a certain company because really It's not like Intel or AMD give you a special shirt or coffee mug just because you bought there processor. Honestly, I hope AMD will make it and I'm sure they will. I mean seriously, for the past 4 to 7 years AMD was much better than Intel and now when Intel comes out with there C2D and Quad-Core line everyone thinks AMD is going under. AMD will never be as high up as Intel of course though, since they only know what Intel gave them and Intel has always had the Better 2/3 of the market (roughly 70% or more). However, AMD needs to stay afloat, because without them we would only have Intel, which would suck because then no competition means no price cutting which means no need for better and faster processors, and of course few or none of selection. GO AMD !!!!!!!!!!!!!

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[gamefreak94]

However, AMD needs to stay afloat, because without them we would only have Intel, which would suck because then no competition means no price cutting which means no need for better and faster processors, and of course few or none of selection. GO AMD !!!!!!!!!!!!!

It true the other way around as well. Suppose for some reason, Intel went under, AMD would become a solo manufacturer and would start making overpriced and crap CPUs which everyone would be forced to buy. Competition benefits the consumer in every market and not just CPUs, helps to keep the manufacturer's profits and product quality under check.

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[StriderVM]

But Intel has very little chance of dying right now. It's like saying Microsoft will suddenly file for bankrupcy or something..... Intel has like 10x of everything AMD has. So it's actually very easy for Intel to kill AMD if they wanted to, well, they're sorta doing it now.....

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[gamefreak94]

just an example, competition's good everywhere. Before AMD came around in home PC's, Intel procs were super expensive, but with the Pentium series, that kinda changed. Their mainstream procs were also cheaper and they came up with the Celeron series for budget minded buyers, just like the Pentium dual-core and Celeron D do so now.
BTW, anyone got an idea as to what kind of budget chips will appear with Nehalem, cost, specs etc?

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[corvex]

Originally Posted by gamefreak94

It true the other way around as well. Suppose for some reason, Intel went under, AMD would become a solo manufacturer and would start making overpriced and crap CPUs which everyone would be forced to buy. Competition benefits the consumer in every market and not just CPUs, helps to keep the manufacturer's profits and product quality under check.

I agree

The only thing that would make this market even more interesting would be if IBM decieded to buy AMD (yea I know they have been saying that for years). But, it would possibly be in IBMs favor since not only would they own AMD for little to no money but, they would also buy ATI which would allow them to have a section both in the processor and graphics market.

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[gamefreak94]

That'd be interesting, since IBM's got some money under its belt and might be able to compete with Intel processors even in the high-end market................though I think that this would be bad news for budget and average home users since IBM isn't that oriented towards home computing.

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[godseeker]

hmm the difference between AMD&INTEL:
INTEL:optimise they cpu for the current programs,games... for one or two years...but 3 years or more later when programs and games don't use the same algorithm anymore intel processor begin to show their real weakness because they are based and optimised for the older algorithm
AMD:by far more power, potential and overall the best cpu ,not just because they are able to survive longer (with the same capacity) but because of their significally less prices (no weakness too)


im an rpg fan so i'll give you a funny exemple
let's say Cloud(FF7) has a sword named cpu intel sword (cpu intel has fire element) and he is in the north area where all enemy weak to fire so cpu intel strik for 9999damage here ,let's switch to cpu amd sword (cpu amd has the null element) we see that cpu amd strik for 8000 damage so for now cpu intel are more powerful ,20h of playing later and we are in the desert where the enemy are resistant to fire or indifferent ,so cpu intel strikes for 1000 damage or 5000 damage but cpu amd always strikes for 8000 damage so if you plan to buy a new cpu each year or two stick with intel else go for an amd .
i'm an intel fun because each time i buy intel it does 9999 damage and its awesome ,for now i begin to think about buying only amd cpu because i'don't want to throw my older systems (amd cpu can work not just as cpu (if you are expert in electrics) )

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[gamefreak94]

AMD:by far more power, potential and overall the best cpu ,not just because they are able to survive longer (with the same capacity) but because of their significally less prices (no weakness too)

I don't get it, you're favoring AMD and have a E6750 yourself

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[godseeker]

Originally Posted by gamefreak94

I don't get it, you're favoring AMD and have a E6750 yourself

there was the TLB BUG when i decided to upgrade my motherboard also they wasn't any good AMD motherboard so i just got the best intel mother with a good e6750.and as i said the intel is more suitable to guys who buys a new cpu each year or two (i'm one of those)

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