AMD vs Intel (2008)

[gamefreak94]

i value 3d performance over how fast it takes to open a document

I hope you don't mean to say that Intel processors aren't cut out for gaming!

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[Squall-Leonhart]

no hes just saying he doesn't choose a processor because they open word faster.

C2D's are only faster in benchmarks, and in emulation scenarios, since they rely so heavily on cpu performance, the TLB version of PCSX2 for example, may benefit from adjustments in the Phenom TLB design.

For every day gaming there is neglible difference between the 2 archs.

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[gamefreak94]

Intel was and still is the largest CPU manufacturer in the world and it is because of a reason that it is this way, people living here in Asia prefer Intel because AMD CPUs just overheat and shut-down after a while. On the other hand Intel CPUs run without any probems 24/7

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[Squall-Leonhart]

asians probably don't know **** about how to setup the cooling in a pc then.

Because here in Australia we get temperatures up to 46c @ 90% humidity, and K8 cores work perfectly fine. infact the temp differences between the K8 and C2D aren't that much.

I put together a 5800+ system not long ago and it idled at 30c on cool days and never topped 41c on hot days, though that was on stock cooling with only 2 case fans.. would've been better with 2 front intake fans and a rear exhaust fan though.

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[gamefreak94]

asians probably don't know **** about how to setup the cooling in a pc then.

Yeah sure! They can setup Intel cooling fans just fine but AMD cooling fans are out of this world and need rocket scientists to install. Besides you probably have air conditioning 24/7! How is it possible to have your room temperature the 46C and have the CPU at 30C without using liquid nitrogen!

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[Squall-Leonhart]

Hot air rises, thats how. PC's are best placed on a cold tile floor as the air pulled into the case would be cooled by the tiles.

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[runawayprisoner]

Originally Posted by gamefreak94

Yeah sure! They can setup Intel cooling fans just fine but AMD cooling fans are out of this world and need rocket scientists to install. Besides you probably have air conditioning 24/7! How is it possible to have your room temperature the 46C and have the CPU at 30C without using liquid nitrogen!

Typical room temperature in a tropical country is at most 41C. How on earth can you stay in a room at 46C and still be alive? Please note that your body is only 37C inside. And if you catch a fever or something, your body will only be at 40C most. Any higher and you'd pass out.

And Squall is right. Hot air rises. It's better to suck air in from below and then push them out on top. Room temperature may vary at different spots. Like for my room, the floor would be at 18-19C, whereas one foot from there up, it's 22-25C. Cold air just linger very down low.

Soo... perfect PC design would include a desk with a rack mount that is barely above the ground, and it'd be ideal if you have intake fans under your computer case at that spot.

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[gamefreak94]

How on earth can you stay in a room at 46C and still be alive? Please note that your body is only 37C inside.

I was asking Squall about how he managed to keep his processor cool when temps were 46C in Australia, not here.

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[runawayprisoner]

Yeah, I really meant that it would be crazy hot at 46C. When is it actually 46C in Australia? That's burning hot! ;p I know it peaked at 49C at some point, but it's not 46C all the time now, is it? Or is that the reason why fees are really high in Aus?

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[guymelef]

The way I have looked at computer building for 10+ years is that if you don't want to know the different aspects of computer efficiency and quality, then buy a DELL. Which use mainly INTELs but you obviously need the choice to be made for you.

That is a comment about cooling. No matter what your setup cooling is important, and I like how people are really only talking about air cooling in this forum. The only way to get a good water system up and running is to build it yourself.

I tried it once with my Tyan tiger dual socket 467 (socket A) running dual 2800's and a gig of 333 ram. Even under ideal conditions, running water was too much maintenance for me.

(or was it 472?) **** I forgot.

I am an AMD enthusiast, but Intel has won the day. I am not going to be a sore loser about this. AMD is still alive and kicking.

This forum is now about the difference between the companies, and the future.

In my opinion, AMD has always been the major innovator. Intel brought us out of a very stagnant cpu market, then just kind of stopped making anything new happen until they had to shout down a new upstart companies (P2). That's all they've ever done, and thankfully they lost to AMD for like 5-8 years in a row. I hope both companies keep at it. Unlike oil companies, I think that these two CPU companies can make sure that we as consumers will always be getting a good deal with enough research.

AMD is doing more, trying more, than intel. With a few tweaks AMD will be back on top with or without this nehalem. I know nobody sees it but AMD is changing the way things work effeciently. I believe in AMD. 45nm technology was beyond AMD's budget, so they made other adjustments to their product to stay competitive. These changes were real initiatives, not just a ramp up band aid. Or purposely underclocking a cpu so that overclockers think they're getting a good deal.

It's seems to me that if you can easily and safely overclock a cpu then why was it undervalued to begin with?
I know that companies lock multipliers, but at least with AMD they are honest and cheap about which ones are unlocked (black editions).
If a chip goes more than 10-20% beyond OEM specs than it was poorly planned to begin with.

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[Squall-Leonhart]

Originally Posted by gamefreak94

I was asking Squall about how he managed to keep his processor cool when temps were 46C in Australia, not here.

Humidity increases the temperature in a house, it might be 41c outside, but inside with humidityt high it can be much more.

though still, tiled floors are the key as these are nearly constantly cold.

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[Kaizen]

as I predicted about 4 months ago amd now are able to compete with c2d overclocking-wise



but nehalem is here now

[runawayprisoner]

Looking good, John. Though... not quite.



Intel moved to E0 stepping, and that... apparently... can do a lot of damages to a CPU. 4.5GHz stable at <1.4v vCore, anyone?

That aside, real-world performance determines it all. And I reached 4GHz stable with a Q9450 just a few months ago. So... prices have to be competitive now. If that Phenom is going to cost $300+, I swear...

Or if she doesn't perform so well in PCSX2...

Note: telling you that much, you know I don't have my Q9450 yet. But I have no doubt this is going to be yet another 4GHz chip. And if the P45 platform is really as good as they say, I'm not stopping at 4GHz.

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[Kaizen]

Originally Posted by runawayprisoner

Looking good, John. Though... not quite.

not quite to yourself actually

you're talking about clocking a 3.3 Ghz dualcore chip to 4.5
whereas I am referencing a deneb

AMD Phenom X4 45nm:
- codename Deneb
- frequency 2.2GHz & 2.3GHz

that's nearly a 2Ghz overclock on a native quad with an integrated memory controller

I said they would match intel in overclockability (NOT clockspeed/performance) once they hit stars and deneb,
and they have

[runawayprisoner]

If you put it that way, how about those who have overclocked QX9650 from 3GHz to 6GHz or beyond?

Higher default clock speeds don't account for much. If you count the "GHz" overclock, then QX9650 wins in every way possible, as that thing was pushed to almost 4GHz. AMD still has a way to go.

And by the way, if Intel underclocks the QX9650 to 1.2GHz, then let people overclock it to 3.2GHz or so, it'll be the same thing. ;p And we all know Intel "might" be deliberately underclocking their processors.

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[Kaizen]

Originally Posted by runawayprisoner

If you put it that way, how about those who have overclocked QX9650 from 3GHz to 6GHz or beyond?

Higher default clock speeds don't account for much. If you count the "GHz" overclock, then QX9650 wins in every way possible, as that thing was pushed to almost 4GHz.

on air?
and stable?

didn't think so, ln2 runs are suicide only

please don't be so condescending to others when you talk about hardware,
you seem to convey an attitude of false superiority about your technical knowledge that instills a stench of arrogance

don't take it personally, it's just that it annoys me because I am practically never in a state of asymmetrical information to the core truths logically
(ie, I usually do pretty thorough research into current hardware status)

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[runawayprisoner]

How do you prove that AMD clock was stable? ;p

And yeah, QX9650's can run stable 24/7 at 4.5GHz. Whether it's on air or not... I really have no idea, because not everyone is as crazy as me.

But you know back in October, people can already bench QX9650 on AIR at almost 2GHz overclocks.

QX9650 air-cooled 4.5GHz done - XtremeSystems Forums

Just depends on what we use.

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[Kaizen]

Originally Posted by runawayprisoner

How do you prove that AMD clock was stable? ;p

...umm, the picture I posted?

(again)



4 cores on 100% load with stock cooling,
check the temps

[runawayprisoner]

What kind of "stock cooling" gets 53C maximum load at 1.48v? ;p Even the TRUE isn't that good!

And I just checked the thread on this one, so... all I can say right now is... don't hold your breath over it. The poster of that pic posted only one thing... and that was that screenshot.

That's not to say I don't trust it. It seems good, and fairly convincing. But earlier benchmarks showed that clock-for-clock, it's not comparable to Intel in SuperPI, so... let's just see how this plays out. Maybe there's the processor for my new rig. ;p

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[Squall-Leonhart]

that picture is fake.

The deneb requires 1.5x voltages to run at 3.44ghz stable. theres no way it'll run at 4ghz on near stock voltage.

yep, there is a gap between the numbers and pixels meaning its been edited.

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