AMD vs Intel (2008)

[gamefreak94]

Originally Posted by skoreanime

Nothing?... AMDs still got quite the market. You don't think they don't cater to other big companies? Not to mention the lay offs they've had in the past couple years have off set some of their losses.

I said they didn't have anything "in comparison to Intel"

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[skoreanime]

Which makes no sense...it's not like their CPUs are garbage, even compared with Intels. Value wise, if no overclocking is done, AMD edges them out. AMD is still strong and will only continue to get better like Intel does. They just take a different approach. It's how they first survived when going head to head with Intel when they first started, and they'll do it again.

History does repeat itself. And since the technology market evolves and changes so much, I wouldn't be surprised if AMD took the top spot again within 10 years.

[gamefreak94]

OK OK, so I exaggerated a bit

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[redlofredlof]

I have Intel core duo in my laptop and AMD X2 in my desktop. I don't really see any performance difference in both, though everybody here says AMD is slow.
But a cpu whose GHz is less will always be slower then the one having more GHz.

[Squall-Leonhart]

Originally Posted by IamWhatIam

Amd cpu's are cheap but their performance don't match Intel.

Get the **** off my internet.

Originally Posted by skoreanime

Which makes no sense...it's not like their CPUs are garbage, even compared with Intels. Value wise, if no overclocking is done, AMD edges them out. AMD is still strong and will only continue to get better like Intel does. They just take a different approach. It's how they first survived when going head to head with Intel when they first started, and they'll do it again.

History does repeat itself. And since the technology market evolves and changes so much, I wouldn't be surprised if AMD took the top spot again within 10 years.

actually, when they first started against Intel, they were using a CPU designed completely off the intel cpu of the time, and had to fight a major legal battle to be allowed to sell the cpu.

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[parman_donk]

vote for amd! wanna vote for intel actually but my wallet prevented me to do so...

heh, anyway.... chicks are more important than my rig

[gamefreak94]

Originally Posted by redlofredlof

I have Intel core duo in my laptop and AMD X2 in my desktop. I don't really see any performance difference in both, though everybody here says AMD is slow.

You do realize that your laptop has a 1.66GHz C2D while your desktop has a 2.3GHz Athlon

Originally Posted by redlofredlof

But a cpu whose GHz is less will always be slower then the one having more GHz.

The Pentium EE had a 3.73GHz dual-core with HT. With regards to clock frequency, it should surpass even an E8600. Yet, it can barely keep up to my chip A less extreme example would be between the E2160 and the E6320. Both are 1.8GHz, yet the E6320 is way better.

FSB, architecture and L2 cache sizes also matter.

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[StriderVM]

gamefreak94 :

I'm quite sure you need to overclock your processor to 2.8Ghz in order to beat the Pentium EE @ 3.73GHz. Intel's Core2Duo is a overclocking monsters, but real performance wise, they are similar to the Athlon64 X2's except with HUGE caches.

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[gamefreak94]

But if a 3.4GHz Pentium D can't perform as well as an E2140 (according to Tom's Hardware), then a 3.73GHz Pentium EE (which is essentially the same as a Pentium D except for the unlocked multiplier) can't be that far ahead of an E2160. Plus, mine's slightly OCed

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[StriderVM]

Hmm... Maybe it's because of the dual core support? Hmm... Can you show that article from Tomshardware?

Legit Reviews - Intel Pentium Processor 965 Extreme Edition Review - Quake 4/DOOM 3 Game Testing

Sharky Extreme - Intel Pentium Extreme Edition 955 Review

In those benchies, the Pentium Extreme Edition 955 @ 3.46Ghz is on par and sometimes inferior to the Athlon64 X2 4800. Which runs @ 2.4Ghz. But the 4800 has 1MB of cache.

Edit : Well, I've tried the Tomshardware CPU charts, and this is what I saw. Definitely the E2140 can't keep up with the Pentium Extreme Edition and Athlon64 X2 4800. Except in very specific benchmarks. I think the primary reason is that the Pentium Extreme Edition is a dual core with Hyperthreading, which could easily perform worse in certain applications because of it.

http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/c...d[1242]=on

Argh, this chart is horrible. At least for me.

For example, in Supreme Commander, the Pentium Extreme Edition is actually the fastest. Probably due to the fact that Super Commander supports even quad core processors.

While the Quake 4 (Single threaded game) the Athlon64 trumps them both. Hmm.... So confusing....

I used the E2160 because it has a higher clock. Now, in this theory, I think you really need a 2.8Ghz overclock to really beat the Pentium Extreme Edition in every category.

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[skoreanime]

Originally Posted by Squall-Leonhart

actually, when they first started against Intel, they were using a CPU designed completely off the intel cpu of the time, and had to fight a major legal battle to be allowed to sell the cpu.

Yeah, I know. I meant the period after that, when they stopped the reverse engineering and started rolling out the K5s, K6s then K7s. But lets stop there, we don't want to get into their history again

[dimentionalrift]

Originally Posted by gamefreak94

^ Intel has a lot of ca$h while AMD has nothing in comparison, so unless someone donated a couple of million dollars to AMD I don't see it happening. Besides, everyone's skeptical about the performance of the new Corei7 processors.

Try billions.
AMD is seriously lacking behind Intel in terms of funding new ventures into CPU research and development.
Especially since Intel was recently successful in forcing AMD out of several countries, thus cutting its worldwide income down by several percent.
Also, Intel has a lot more resources at its disposal than AMD, for example the entire country of Israel has some of its brightest minds in computing applying for jobs at the Intel factory we got (the same factory that developed and distributed the Core2 CPU family, and is working currently on Nehalems successor - Sandy Bridge) in the south.
Bottm line, it's always about the money.

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[gamefreak94]

I think they removed the old charts and put new ones now. Anyway, here's the new link:

Charts, benchmarks CPU Charts 2008 Q1/2008, 3D Studio Max 9

But I don't quite think it's accurate. They're placing the E2140 above the 3.5GHz Pentium EE and the E2160 above the C2D E4300 and the Athlon X2 4400+.

I linked the old ones to another thread started by Bubbafat a few weeks ago. I'll see if I can find it.

Edit: Found it!

Performance Charts - Benchmark

Edit2: No wait, they're both the same I think they removed the old 2007 ones

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[StriderVM]

Maybe we're missing something here.... Which application supports dual cores? Quad cores? Maybe it could explain the huge disrepancies.

I'm quite sure Supreme Commander support quad cores, which could explain the Pentium Extreme Editions dominance. Then in Quake 4, it's a single threaded game, which could explain the X2 4800's dominance in it.

Charts, benchmarks CPU Charts 2008 Q1/2008, Supreme Commander

In Supreme Commander,it could be noted that the equivalent AthlonX2 clock speed would need to be higher by about 100Mhz to match the E2160's (1.8Ghz) score. (AMD Athlon X2 BE-2300 @ 1.9Ghz)

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[redlofredlof]

Originally Posted by gamefreak94

You do realize that your laptop has a 1.66GHz C2D while your desktop has a 2.3GHz Athlon



The Pentium EE had a 3.73GHz dual-core with HT. With regards to clock frequency, it should surpass even an E8600. Yet, it can barely keep up to my chip A less extreme example would be between the E2160 and the E6320. Both are 1.8GHz, yet the E6320 is way better.

FSB, architecture and L2 cache sizes also matter.

The sticker on my laptop says intel core duo there is no 2 written on it and GSdx ssse3 version does not run on it.

[corvex]

TomsHardware is a great site, but look at the benchmarks like this. If you remove Intel's Extreme Processors, which lets be honest, if you buy one, you're just stupid. $1000+ for retail price, or even $500 off of pricegrabber or even ebay, is a complete waste of money if you ask me. I'd rather spend that money on beer and women myself . But, if you really remove the extremes and compare Intel to AMD... AMD doesn't look so bad then. Even in games, why would I pay $100+ dollars more for 20 extra frames. Sorry, but even if you have the money.. you're stupid. So if you're one of those people, I'd have to say your right up there with our president However, I don't see why everyone is freaking out about i7.
Benchmarks aren't even here yet. It will probly be 20-30% better than the core2s just like AMD is saying theirs will be 20-30% better. So really, we might still just have that little 35% gap I I have stated earlier. So really, I think the winner in this upcoming year won't so much be preformace, it'll be price. Esp. the way the world economy is right now.

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[SCHUMI_4EVER]

20 FPS is plenty....4-1 FPS aint much.

And it's not just that, 20 FPS more now, translates to playable frames when the one that's 20FPS less has stopped being able to play anything new anymore

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[StriderVM]

Actually the main difference is something like 1 to 5 FPS. Because most games are reliant in good video card. Having a Core2Duo at 4Ghz is useless if you only have an 8600GT for it.

Of course there are exceptions like Supreme Commander which shows that sometimes those Pentium D's are good for something and not a total waste of silicon.

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[gamefreak94]

I loved my 2.53GHz Northwood No matter how crappy it was when compared to an AthlonXP 2GHz+

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[redlofredlof]

Originally Posted by gamefreak94

I loved my 2.53GHz Northwood No matter how crappy it was when compared to an AthlonXP 2GHz+

northwood????
which one is that supposed to be?