need new Video Card , for....OpenGL2 plugin with Shaders ? recommendations

s8n · February 7th, 2007

hi team , ......... i am looking for a new Video Card and was wondering what would be sufficient to achieve ....and with a small amount of power in reserve

-Pete's OpenGL2 plugin with Shaders (Natural Vision ....etc)
-800x600 Resolution
-able to use HQ settings , not just basic OpenGL2 Shader settings
-with consistant full frame rate

any help is sweet

s8n

Rockfire · February 7th, 2007

I suggest if you have agp, get a Geforce 6600 if you wanna run at full fps with shaders

**hushypushy** · February 7th, 2007

Pff, 800x600 resolution? I was using custom shaders with my 5600 @ 1152x864. So pretty much anything better than that will do what you need.

Paratech · February 8th, 2007

My 6200 works nice, it's an AGP card, he might not want to invest too much if he's using AGP as whenever he upgrades, the next motherboard pro'lly wont support AGP...

If he has a PCI-e, I'd think about a GeForce 7 series, particularly if you want to play PC games and anything graphics intensive...

I'm happy with my 6200 at the moment...

s8n · February 8th, 2007

thanx Rockfire and hushypushy for the info.......

i found 2 models which should be ok based on your info , which one should i go for tho .......the Geforce core , or Radeon core ?

Centre Com Online

ASUS EN7300GTSLN-HTD-256 GF7300GT, 256MB, PCIEx16, DDRII, HDTV, DVI-I, 2xVGA

Centre Com Online

ASUS EAX1300PRO-TD-256 X1300PRO, 256DDR2, TVOUT, 2XVGA, DVI-I, PCIEX16

ian209 · February 8th, 2007

They are very close in performance. Just 5% difference or so. If I were u I would go with the Geforce 7300GT since its a tad bit faster and just a few bucks more.

s8n · February 8th, 2007

Paratech and ian209 your added info helps alot , thanx very much for your input.

kallileo · February 8th, 2007

What is your systems config?
Budget???

**Yeloazndevil** · February 8th, 2007

go here for shaders for Pete's OGL2 plugin

s8n · February 9th, 2007

ultra sweet Yeloazndevil thanx for that , thats a great link to have i will use it often.....

kallileo......i would like to build a system from scratch......

ie

Athlon 64 X2 3800
1GB DDR2 ram
Video Card
some MotherBoard with 3 PCI slots
etc....

any rig suggestions would be great.....

i dont play PC games at all......... its purpose is to use it for emulators

Paratech · February 9th, 2007

I like my 6200, although it's AGP, the 7300 would be nice, and if you changed your mind to dabble in PC gaming, it'd work with a lot of games...

But the choice is yours, IIRC OpenGL is better on NVIDIA than ATI, but maybe I'm wrong?

**Yeloazndevil** · February 9th, 2007

I see no difference with OpenGL on nvidia and ATI now

Paratech · February 9th, 2007

When I was first messing with Future Pinball, a pinball emulator/simulator for the PC, ATI cards under performed NVIDIA cards and the reason seemed to be linked to Open GL, it seemed Open GL support on ATI cards lower than 9800 seemed poor, of course PCI-e cards may not have that problem, I'm just going off what I witnessed.

ian209 · February 9th, 2007

Ya i believe so. It is a hassle to get ATI cards to work with max internal resolution. Not only did it take lots of drivers to fix it, but also a little tampering with the settings. But as of CAT 7.1, i don't see much difference between ati and nvidia in opengl anymore. Well nvidia may be ahead, but just by a bit.

kallileo · February 9th, 2007

Quote:

Originally Posted by s8n

ultra sweet Yeloazndevil thanx for that , thats a great link to have i will use it often.....

kallileo......i would like to build a system from scratch......

ie

Athlon 64 X2 3800
1GB DDR2 ram
Video Card
some MotherBoard with 3 PCI slots
etc....

any rig suggestions would be great.....

i dont play PC games at all......... its purpose is to use it for emulators

If you intend to play emulators like Chankast or PCSX2 you will need fast cpu...Of course 3800+ will work great in ePSXe but I think that it isn't a smart buy. A year ago X2 3800+ would the best solution for you but now it would smarter to go for Intel core 2 duo(E6300) system with a cheap 965 mobo.
Are going to overclock your system?

s8n · February 10th, 2007

i prolly wont overclock i think bad thoughts of it..........i dont intend to play PCSX2 or Dreamcast Xbox Gamecube emulators , just Sega Saturn PSX 1 and below........

kallileo · February 10th, 2007

Quote:

Originally Posted by s8n

i prolly wont overclock i think bad thoughts of it..........i dont intend to play PCSX2 or Dreamcast Xbox Gamecube emulators , just Sega Saturn PSX 1 and below........

You don't need much for what you want....but I still suggest to buy a C2D there is no big price difference.

s8n · February 10th, 2007

affirmative......you are right kallileo , im going to look into a C2D and a suitable cheap MB from Centrecom........ you're help has been exceptional man.....thanx very much.

kallileo · February 10th, 2007

Look for Gigabyte ds3 or Asus P5B.....both very good mobos and with good overclocking abilities.

s8n · February 11th, 2007

i have selected from Centrecom (not paid for yet , i can change it at any time).....

Asus P5B motherboard

Centre Com Online

with the suggestions of this thread ive come up with this rig..........

-Intel CORE 2 DUO E6300/ 1.86GHz/ 2MB CACHE/ 1066FSB/ LGA775
-ASUS EN7300GTSLN-HTD-256 GF7300GT, 256MB, PCIEx16, DDRII, HDTV, DVI-I, 2xVGA
-Asus P5B motherboard
-Corsair DDR2 1GB PC-4200 (512MBx2) Value Select RAM (VS1GBKIT533D2)

any suggestions totally welcome........

February 7th, 2007	#1 (permalink)
s8n Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 113	need new Video Card , for....OpenGL2 plugin with Shaders ? recommendations hi team , ......... i am looking for a new Video Card and was wondering what would be sufficient to achieve ....and with a small amount of power in reserve -Pete's OpenGL2 plugin with Shaders (Natural Vision ....etc) -800x600 Resolution -able to use HQ settings , not just basic OpenGL2 Shader settings -with consistant full frame rate any help is sweet s8n

February 7th, 2007	#2 (permalink)
Rockfire ディフェンダー Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: uk Posts: 1,037	I suggest if you have agp, get a Geforce 6600 if you wanna run at full fps with shaders __________________ The Mobile Suit Project \| Bootfighter Resources \| Deviant Art Profile Last edited by Rockfire; February 7th, 2007 at 12:15.

February 7th, 2007	#3 (permalink)
hushypushy the only one you've ever SEEN Join Date: May 2003 Location: San Francisco Posts: 21,837	Pff, 800x600 resolution? I was using custom shaders with my 5600 @ 1152x864. So pretty much anything better than that will do what you need. __________________ Dedicated to mediocrity and repetition since 1994. 2008 "How Not to Post" guide

February 8th, 2007	#4 (permalink)
Paratech Registered User Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Franklin, PA Posts: 2,287	My 6200 works nice, it's an AGP card, he might not want to invest too much if he's using AGP as whenever he upgrades, the next motherboard pro'lly wont support AGP... If he has a PCI-e, I'd think about a GeForce 7 series, particularly if you want to play PC games and anything graphics intensive... I'm happy with my 6200 at the moment... __________________ -Member of the Windows XP "Sith" with dreams of galactic conquest, er no, I mean dreams of buying an XBOX 360 ------------------------------- Member of the Sith XP/XBOX gaming club. $95 for an XBOX, $9.99 for a copy of Halo 2...Being able to play Halo 2 without buying Vista, priceless! Vista, what OS do you not want to screw up your PC! 'k Wii will Wii will rock you!

February 8th, 2007	#6 (permalink)
ian209 DJ-Roadkill Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 497	They are very close in performance. Just 5% difference or so. If I were u I would go with the Geforce 7300GT since its a tad bit faster and just a few bucks more. __________________ Asus Maximus Formula Intel Q6600 @ 3.8Ghz (Air Cooled w/T.R.U.E) ATI Radeon HD3870 (OCed 994/1200) OCZ 4GB Platinum PC2-6400 (5-4-4-15) Mushkin XP650w PSU 3X 320GB HDDs 1X 500GB HDD 36.7GB WD Raptor TT VA8000BWS black Others: Logitech G7 Mouse and G25 Wheel, Smartjoy PS2USB, Yamaha HTR-5370 A/V Reciever, Samsung SyncMaster 931c, Dual MTX MXS1204 12' 800w Subs w/ RFF 1000w Amp http://www.ilike.com/artist/djroadkill - Check out my music.

February 8th, 2007	#5 (permalink)
s8n Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 113	thanx Rockfire and hushypushy for the info....... i found 2 models which should be ok based on your info , which one should i go for tho .......the Geforce core , or Radeon core ? Centre Com Online ASUS EN7300GTSLN-HTD-256 GF7300GT, 256MB, PCIEx16, DDRII, HDTV, DVI-I, 2xVGA Centre Com Online ASUS EAX1300PRO-TD-256 X1300PRO, 256DDR2, TVOUT, 2XVGA, DVI-I, PCIEX16

February 8th, 2007	#7 (permalink)
s8n Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 113	Paratech and ian209 your added info helps alot , thanx very much for your input.

February 8th, 2007	#8 (permalink)
kallileo Registered User Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Greece Posts: 8	What is your systems config? Budget??? __________________ Vista x64 - E6400@3.3 + Abit IP35 Pro + 2x2 GB OCZ Powerchips +ATI 3870 watercooled by Eleven

February 8th, 2007	#9 (permalink)
Yeloazndevil :3 Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 10,147	go here for shaders for Pete's OGL2 plugin

February 9th, 2007	#10 (permalink)
s8n Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 113	ultra sweet Yeloazndevil thanx for that , thats a great link to have i will use it often..... kallileo......i would like to build a system from scratch...... ie Athlon 64 X2 3800 1GB DDR2 ram Video Card some MotherBoard with 3 PCI slots etc.... any rig suggestions would be great..... i dont play PC games at all......... its purpose is to use it for emulators

February 9th, 2007	#11 (permalink)
Paratech Registered User Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Franklin, PA Posts: 2,287	I like my 6200, although it's AGP, the 7300 would be nice, and if you changed your mind to dabble in PC gaming, it'd work with a lot of games... But the choice is yours, IIRC OpenGL is better on NVIDIA than ATI, but maybe I'm wrong? __________________ -Member of the Windows XP "Sith" with dreams of galactic conquest, er no, I mean dreams of buying an XBOX 360 ------------------------------- Member of the Sith XP/XBOX gaming club. $95 for an XBOX, $9.99 for a copy of Halo 2...Being able to play Halo 2 without buying Vista, priceless! Vista, what OS do you not want to screw up your PC! 'k Wii will Wii will rock you!

February 9th, 2007	#12 (permalink)
Yeloazndevil :3 Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 10,147	I see no difference with OpenGL on nvidia and ATI now

February 9th, 2007	#13 (permalink)
Paratech Registered User Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Franklin, PA Posts: 2,287	When I was first messing with Future Pinball, a pinball emulator/simulator for the PC, ATI cards under performed NVIDIA cards and the reason seemed to be linked to Open GL, it seemed Open GL support on ATI cards lower than 9800 seemed poor, of course PCI-e cards may not have that problem, I'm just going off what I witnessed. __________________ -Member of the Windows XP "Sith" with dreams of galactic conquest, er no, I mean dreams of buying an XBOX 360 ------------------------------- Member of the Sith XP/XBOX gaming club. $95 for an XBOX, $9.99 for a copy of Halo 2...Being able to play Halo 2 without buying Vista, priceless! Vista, what OS do you not want to screw up your PC! 'k Wii will Wii will rock you!

February 9th, 2007	#14 (permalink)
ian209 DJ-Roadkill Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 497	Ya i believe so. It is a hassle to get ATI cards to work with max internal resolution. Not only did it take lots of drivers to fix it, but also a little tampering with the settings. But as of CAT 7.1, i don't see much difference between ati and nvidia in opengl anymore. Well nvidia may be ahead, but just by a bit. __________________ Asus Maximus Formula Intel Q6600 @ 3.8Ghz (Air Cooled w/T.R.U.E) ATI Radeon HD3870 (OCed 994/1200) OCZ 4GB Platinum PC2-6400 (5-4-4-15) Mushkin XP650w PSU 3X 320GB HDDs 1X 500GB HDD 36.7GB WD Raptor TT VA8000BWS black Others: Logitech G7 Mouse and G25 Wheel, Smartjoy PS2USB, Yamaha HTR-5370 A/V Reciever, Samsung SyncMaster 931c, Dual MTX MXS1204 12' 800w Subs w/ RFF 1000w Amp http://www.ilike.com/artist/djroadkill - Check out my music.

February 10th, 2007	#16 (permalink)
s8n Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 113	i prolly wont overclock i think bad thoughts of it..........i dont intend to play PCSX2 or Dreamcast Xbox Gamecube emulators , just Sega Saturn PSX 1 and below........

February 10th, 2007	#18 (permalink)
s8n Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 113	affirmative......you are right kallileo , im going to look into a C2D and a suitable cheap MB from Centrecom........ you're help has been exceptional man.....thanx very much.

February 10th, 2007	#19 (permalink)
kallileo Registered User Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Greece Posts: 8	Look for Gigabyte ds3 or Asus P5B.....both very good mobos and with good overclocking abilities. __________________ Vista x64 - E6400@3.3 + Abit IP35 Pro + 2x2 GB OCZ Powerchips +ATI 3870 watercooled by Eleven

February 11th, 2007	#20 (permalink)
s8n Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 113	i have selected from Centrecom (not paid for yet , i can change it at any time)..... Asus P5B motherboard Centre Com Online with the suggestions of this thread ive come up with this rig.......... -Intel CORE 2 DUO E6300/ 1.86GHz/ 2MB CACHE/ 1066FSB/ LGA775 -ASUS EN7300GTSLN-HTD-256 GF7300GT, 256MB, PCIEx16, DDRII, HDTV, DVI-I, 2xVGA -Asus P5B motherboard -Corsair DDR2 1GB PC-4200 (512MBx2) Value Select RAM (VS1GBKIT533D2) any suggestions totally welcome........

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