Xenogears (Finished at last!) - Page 4

**_E_** · November 20th, 2002

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Originally posted by Recca
I think he is refering to the point wher you have to use barts grandfathers ship to shot at the mirror on the tower of babel to destroy one of the 4(Or was it 2) generators in order to see that floating city.
This game is great but i hate the fact that they didn't give anything to think about with the characters or story. Everything was explained down to the end and it leaves you with nothing to think about

Thats where Xenosaga will come in and explain it all. BTW: i like it this way, I kept thinking about the myseterious story and characters till the very end. I think its one of the fun factors in this game....

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Recca · November 20th, 2002

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Originally posted by Kingstar

Thats where Xenosaga will come in and explain it all. BTW: i like it this way, I kept thinking about the myseterious story and characters till the very end. I think its one of the fun factors in this game....

Either you misunderstood my post or i yours.
I said that it leaves nothing for you to think about so what has that have to do with Xenosaga when its 2 completely different stories

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**_E_** · November 20th, 2002

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Originally posted by Recca

Either you misunderstood my post or i yours.
I said that it leaves nothing for you to think about so what has that have to do with Xenosaga when its 2 completely different stories

mm,. well what i meant is that Xenogears story was very related to the past. and there are still things we dont understand yet. Since Xenosaga will explain the beginning of Zophar and Duex, it might clear up many things for us. Thats what i was trying to say

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Ninjaa · November 20th, 2002

It did clear things up nicely at the end, but that doesn't mean that I would like to play the earlier games. Kind of like seeing Star Wars Episode IV. You really do want to learn what happened before and after, even though the movie cleared things up nicely at the end.

**_E_** · November 20th, 2002

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Originally posted by Ninja
It did clear things up nicely at the end, but that doesn't mean that I would like to play the earlier games. Kind of like seeing Star Wars Episode IV. You really do want to learn what happened before and after, even though the movie cleared things up nicely at the end.

well, maybe its just me. When i saw all these "unexplainable" events that take place, and how the game moves from one era to another without you releasing that is just one of the good parts of Xenogears. Its like watching "Training day" were you have question yourself 100 times before knowing the real story at the very end

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Rhombus · November 21st, 2002

Training Day? I thought that movie was pretty straightforward. I also think it was overrated and Denzel didn't really deserve an Oscar nomination for it, but that's a discussion for another day.

I saw in the ending that Xenogears was Episode V, but truly I thought the game was perfect as a stand alone. I really hope it's episode 5 out of 5 cause a sequel would seem a bit contrived. Also they didn't explain every little detail of the past, but they explained more than enough to have a clear outline of what happened and how it relates with the present story. I really don't even think Xenosaga is necessary to really understand that which is Xenogears. But cause I loved Xenogears so much I'd definitely be willing to give Xenosaga a try.

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**_E_** · November 21st, 2002

Quote:

Originally posted by Rhombus
Training Day? I thought that movie was pretty straightforward. I also think it was overrated and Denzel didn't really deserve an Oscar nomination for it, but that's a discussion for another day.

I saw in the ending that Xenogears was Episode V, but truly I thought the game was perfect as a stand alone. I really hope it's episode 5 out of 5 cause a sequel would seem a bit contrived. Also they didn't explain every little detail of the past, but they explained more than enough to have a clear outline of what happened and how it relates with the present story. I really don't even think Xenosaga is necessary to really understand that which is Xenogears. But cause I loved Xenogears so much I'd definitely be willing to give Xenosaga a try.

Rhombus, I would like to see the begining of the whole story, thats why i want Xenosaga

. and dont you worry, you ll be seeing Elly and Fei again on the last episode which takes place 5 years after Xenogears

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Ninjaa · November 21st, 2002

Rhombus, in most cases you are right. Sequels rarely do justice to the original. yet the Star Wars example is a case where the sequel has proven to be better than the original. It IS possible, and because that possibility exists, people will always flock to a sequel of a good game. Some people do manage to pull it off.

to me, Xenosaga is elevated to almost a Star Wars status in my mind. Considering that I worship Star Wars almost as much as Nintendo, that is saying something huge.

Recca · November 21st, 2002

The only thing they didn't explain in the game is why Elly and Miang became to different persons when they started out as one woman

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Rhombus · November 21st, 2002

The Deus system created Miang as a protector and to eventually bring all the parts of the system back together. The contact (a young boy named Abel), the only survivor of the crash (hence the only one who truly existed outside the Deus system, as all other humans were created by Deus) made contact with the Zohar engine and his desire for a mother figure created Elly. The Wave Existance inside the Zohar engine wished for its freedom and it gave "the contact" and "the mother" the power to destroy the Deus system and free it. However, Zohar was bound as part of the Deus system, so Elly was also technically part of the system and hence still had "the Miang factor".

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**_E_** · November 21st, 2002

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Originally posted by Rhombus
The Deus system created Miang as a protector and to eventually bring all the parts of the system back together. The contact (a young boy named Abel), the only survivor of the crash (hence the only one who truly existed outside the Deus system, as all other humans were created by Deus) made contact with the Zohar engine and his desire for a mother figure created Elly. The Wave Existance inside the Zohar engine wished for its freedom and it gave "the contact" and "the mother" the power to destroy the Deus system and free it. However, Zohar was bound as part of the Deus system, so Elly was also technically part of the system and hence still had "the Miang factor".

SPOILERS:
yes, what Rhombus says is right. Its just appears in the game that Miang and elly were part of the same human, ( the mother) . If i recall correctly, Miang is a gardian angel and a weapon herself. I think the last boss is the mutated form of her

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Rhombus · November 21st, 2002

I'm typing myself silly with all this Xenogears talk. Such a complex game - it manages to generate even more conversation about it than the text in the game... and that's a tough task considering how much text Xenogears had.

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**_E_** · November 21st, 2002

Quote:

Originally posted by Rhombus
I'm typing myself silly with all this Xenogears talk. Such a complex game - it manages to generate even more conversation about it than the text in the game... and that's a tough task considering how much text Xenogears had.

Rhombus, I think i had enough conversation about Xenogears myself. Anyways, thanks for the info. I think i ll carry on posting the characters on the Xenosaga thread!

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Recca · November 21st, 2002

Yeah many thanx Rhombus, that explains alot

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Rhombus · November 21st, 2002

No prob, but between this and the other Xenogears threads I'm tired out... hehe... so I'll just add a final Xenogears-related thought ... Xenogears rules and I wish I had a PS2 for Xenosaga

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shadow_dreamer · November 23rd, 2002

Anyway, have you got Emeralda older. I didn't know what to do or how to get adult Emeralda. Hey, Kingstar, i know you know much of xenogears than me. So, my question to you is "how to get Emeralda old?" Hmmmm......

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Ninjaa · November 23rd, 2002

Shadow Boy, you need to visit the lighthouse with Emeralda in your party. You will see a few cutscenes in which she gets older.

god I love this game way too much.

shadow_dreamer · November 23rd, 2002

I've heard that Emeralda is a child of Fei Wong. I didn't know that. And how would it happen? Is it because Fei's past of his life was connected to Emeralda so she cares about Fei in those present time?

Sometimes, I think Xenogear is very unpredictable and ununderstable to me. But, when i've finished the xenogear, it got off my mind, making it forgot those complicated events.

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Forgive and Forget... Forgive and Forget...

the Dreamer's tales:
. . . I'm in this place again.. Though, i think i shouldn't be.. I've always wondered what is my purpose in this world, and still, the answer hasn't come... Or should i say, i must find that answer in this world... Oh well, i must do my job... (went off and assasinated the minister) Evil people led me to this kind of life... Now, i must return those things back to them by death...

**_E_** · November 23rd, 2002

Quote:

Originally posted by shadow_boy
I've heard that Emeralda is a child of Fei Wong. I didn't know that. And how would it happen? Is it because Fei's past of his life was connected to Emeralda so she cares about Fei in those present time?

Sometimes, I think Xenogear is very unpredictable and ununderstable to me. But, when i've finished the xenogear, it got off my mind, making it forgot those complicated events.

SPOILERS:
The previous Incarnation of Fei, more than 3000 years ago, was called Kim Kasim. He was married with Elly this time, but they couldnt have a baby. Later on, Kim used the nanotechnology and combined his DNA with Elly's DNA to form Emeralda, ( which theoratically is thier daughter).However, Solaris ( I think) came in and tried to get young Emeralda from Kim and Elly, but Elly sacrified herself and bought sometime for Kim to lock Emeralda in and secure the lock himself before he dies too ( well we didnt know exactly what happenned to him that time, but we know he successed)>

The present Incarnations of Abel and Elly,( Fei and Elhyam), are considered to be Emeralda's parents, even though they were not present ( or alive) when she was born. Krelian used Emeralda to identify the "mother" or the ," Anti-type" as he calls, by using emeralda. I hope you understood what i said......

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Ninjaa · November 23rd, 2002

Yep. Kingstar has it right. That was explained in the cut scene when you visit the underwater city.

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November 20th, 2002	#64 (permalink)
Ninjaa Banned Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Soviet Canuckistan Posts: 7,778	It did clear things up nicely at the end, but that doesn't mean that I would like to play the earlier games. Kind of like seeing Star Wars Episode IV. You really do want to learn what happened before and after, even though the movie cleared things up nicely at the end.

November 21st, 2002	#66 (permalink)
Rhombus The Moogle Assassin Join Date: May 2002 Location: Boulder, Colorado Posts: 2,081	Training Day? I thought that movie was pretty straightforward. I also think it was overrated and Denzel didn't really deserve an Oscar nomination for it, but that's a discussion for another day. I saw in the ending that Xenogears was Episode V, but truly I thought the game was perfect as a stand alone. I really hope it's episode 5 out of 5 cause a sequel would seem a bit contrived. Also they didn't explain every little detail of the past, but they explained more than enough to have a clear outline of what happened and how it relates with the present story. I really don't even think Xenosaga is necessary to really understand that which is Xenogears. But cause I loved Xenogears so much I'd definitely be willing to give Xenosaga a try. __________________ Processor: Athlon 64 3400+ Mobo: MSI K8T Neo-FIS2R RAM: 1 GB Corsair XMS GFX Card: Sapphire Radeon 9800 Pro 128 Sound Card: SB Audigy 2 ZS HDD1: Seagate 160MB 8MB 7200 HDD2: Seagate 80MB 8MB 7200 Burner: NEC 16x DVDR Keyboard/Mouse: Logitech Cordless MX Duo USB Gamepad1: PS2 Dual Analog/KiKY X USB Gamepad2: Gravis GamePad Pro OS: Windows XP Pro sp2 *Tempus fugit et nos fugimus in illus.* *Fiat justitia; ruat coelum.*

November 21st, 2002	#68 (permalink)
Ninjaa Banned Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Soviet Canuckistan Posts: 7,778	Rhombus, in most cases you are right. Sequels rarely do justice to the original. yet the Star Wars example is a case where the sequel has proven to be better than the original. It IS possible, and because that possibility exists, people will always flock to a sequel of a good game. Some people do manage to pull it off. to me, Xenosaga is elevated to almost a Star Wars status in my mind. Considering that I worship Star Wars almost as much as Nintendo, that is saying something huge.

November 21st, 2002	#69 (permalink)
Recca Registered User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Where ever fate shall lead me. Posts: 3,946	The only thing they didn't explain in the game is why Elly and Miang became to different persons when they started out as one woman __________________ この世に悪があるとすれば、それは人の心だ。エドワ-ド・D・モリスン

November 21st, 2002	#70 (permalink)
Rhombus The Moogle Assassin Join Date: May 2002 Location: Boulder, Colorado Posts: 2,081	The Deus system created Miang as a protector and to eventually bring all the parts of the system back together. The contact (a young boy named Abel), the only survivor of the crash (hence the only one who truly existed outside the Deus system, as all other humans were created by Deus) made contact with the Zohar engine and his desire for a mother figure created Elly. The Wave Existance inside the Zohar engine wished for its freedom and it gave "the contact" and "the mother" the power to destroy the Deus system and free it. However, Zohar was bound as part of the Deus system, so Elly was also technically part of the system and hence still had "the Miang factor". __________________ Processor: Athlon 64 3400+ Mobo: MSI K8T Neo-FIS2R RAM: 1 GB Corsair XMS GFX Card: Sapphire Radeon 9800 Pro 128 Sound Card: SB Audigy 2 ZS HDD1: Seagate 160MB 8MB 7200 HDD2: Seagate 80MB 8MB 7200 Burner: NEC 16x DVDR Keyboard/Mouse: Logitech Cordless MX Duo USB Gamepad1: PS2 Dual Analog/KiKY X USB Gamepad2: Gravis GamePad Pro OS: Windows XP Pro sp2 *Tempus fugit et nos fugimus in illus.* *Fiat justitia; ruat coelum.*

November 21st, 2002	#72 (permalink)
Rhombus The Moogle Assassin Join Date: May 2002 Location: Boulder, Colorado Posts: 2,081	I'm typing myself silly with all this Xenogears talk. Such a complex game - it manages to generate even more conversation about it than the text in the game... and that's a tough task considering how much text Xenogears had. __________________ Processor: Athlon 64 3400+ Mobo: MSI K8T Neo-FIS2R RAM: 1 GB Corsair XMS GFX Card: Sapphire Radeon 9800 Pro 128 Sound Card: SB Audigy 2 ZS HDD1: Seagate 160MB 8MB 7200 HDD2: Seagate 80MB 8MB 7200 Burner: NEC 16x DVDR Keyboard/Mouse: Logitech Cordless MX Duo USB Gamepad1: PS2 Dual Analog/KiKY X USB Gamepad2: Gravis GamePad Pro OS: Windows XP Pro sp2 *Tempus fugit et nos fugimus in illus.* *Fiat justitia; ruat coelum.*

November 21st, 2002	#74 (permalink)
Recca Registered User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Where ever fate shall lead me. Posts: 3,946	Yeah many thanx Rhombus, that explains alot __________________ この世に悪があるとすれば、それは人の心だ。エドワ-ド・D・モリスン

November 21st, 2002	#75 (permalink)
Rhombus The Moogle Assassin Join Date: May 2002 Location: Boulder, Colorado Posts: 2,081	No prob, but between this and the other Xenogears threads I'm tired out... hehe... so I'll just add a final Xenogears-related thought ... Xenogears rules and I wish I had a PS2 for Xenosaga __________________ Processor: Athlon 64 3400+ Mobo: MSI K8T Neo-FIS2R RAM: 1 GB Corsair XMS GFX Card: Sapphire Radeon 9800 Pro 128 Sound Card: SB Audigy 2 ZS HDD1: Seagate 160MB 8MB 7200 HDD2: Seagate 80MB 8MB 7200 Burner: NEC 16x DVDR Keyboard/Mouse: Logitech Cordless MX Duo USB Gamepad1: PS2 Dual Analog/KiKY X USB Gamepad2: Gravis GamePad Pro OS: Windows XP Pro sp2 *Tempus fugit et nos fugimus in illus.* *Fiat justitia; ruat coelum.*

November 23rd, 2002	#76 (permalink)
shadow_dreamer Simple smile.. Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Manila, Philippines Posts: 1,492	Anyway, have you got Emeralda older. I didn't know what to do or how to get adult Emeralda. Hey, Kingstar, i know you know much of xenogears than me. So, my question to you is "how to get Emeralda old?" Hmmmm...... __________________ Forgive and Forget... Forgive and Forget... the Dreamer's tales: . . . I'm in this place again.. Though, i think i shouldn't be.. I've always wondered what is my purpose in this world, and still, the answer hasn't come... Or should i say, i must find that answer in this world... Oh well, i must do my job... (went off and assasinated the minister) Evil people led me to this kind of life... Now, i must return those things back to them by death...

November 23rd, 2002	#77 (permalink)
Ninjaa Banned Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Soviet Canuckistan Posts: 7,778	Shadow Boy, you need to visit the lighthouse with Emeralda in your party. You will see a few cutscenes in which she gets older. god I love this game way too much.

November 23rd, 2002	#78 (permalink)
shadow_dreamer Simple smile.. Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Manila, Philippines Posts: 1,492	I've heard that Emeralda is a child of Fei Wong. I didn't know that. And how would it happen? Is it because Fei's past of his life was connected to Emeralda so she cares about Fei in those present time? Sometimes, I think Xenogear is very unpredictable and ununderstable to me. But, when i've finished the xenogear, it got off my mind, making it forgot those complicated events. __________________ Forgive and Forget... Forgive and Forget... the Dreamer's tales: . . . I'm in this place again.. Though, i think i shouldn't be.. I've always wondered what is my purpose in this world, and still, the answer hasn't come... Or should i say, i must find that answer in this world... Oh well, i must do my job... (went off and assasinated the minister) Evil people led me to this kind of life... Now, i must return those things back to them by death...

November 23rd, 2002	#80 (permalink)
Ninjaa Banned Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Soviet Canuckistan Posts: 7,778	Yep. Kingstar has it right. That was explained in the cut scene when you visit the underwater city.