Perpetual Artworks Thread

[Phil]

nice reasoning....although i do not skimp on my art supplies...

[cottonvibes]

Originally Posted by runawayprisoner

Well, you didn't expect me to pay $1000 for a CPU that can do 4GHz... when I can also do 4GHz with a $300 chip, did you? $700 could be used for a lot of things! For instance... a new motherboard, some RAM, a case, some cooling supplies... and actually... maybe the rest of the parts needed to build a computer!

well some people have gotten the q6600s to 4ghz
and that chip is under $300

[runawayprisoner]

Originally Posted by cottonvibes

well some people have gotten the q6600s to 4ghz
and that chip is under $300

Is it 45nm? Does it have 12MB of L2 Cache? And... most important of all, is it possible under air? There's a significant difference between extreme air and barely "there" water-cooling, you know. Much more extreme than just "good" water-cooling means... insane money.

[Fadingz]

Again, some people can draw a car using ms paint
but someone can make final fantasy models using professional tools.
you can get a $300 quad to 4Ghz, but you can get a $1000 quad to 5Ghz

[cottonvibes]

Originally Posted by runawayprisoner

Is it 45nm? Does it have 12MB of L2 Cache? And... most important of all, is it possible under air? There's a significant difference between extreme air and barely "there" water-cooling, you know. Much more extreme than just "good" water-cooling means... insane money.

well it was on air actually.
and 45nm dosn't mean anything...

but the q6600 dosn't have the 12mb cache. but i don't know how much that affects performance. it might not do much.

but for $1000, you can get the $260 q6600, and get a nice water cooling kit.

Originally Posted by Fadingz

you can get a $300 quad to 4Ghz, but you can get a $1000 quad to 5Ghz

probably, but R.A.P. hasn't done it.


btw fadingz,
that video is crazy.
how did that guy do that!? :O

[runawayprisoner]

Actually, believe it or not, but it takes a 4GHz Q6600 to be equal to a Q9450 at 3.6GHz in SuperPI 1M. That's comparing one core of each processors. Realistically, the difference is even larger in some applications, and it's got nothing to do with the extra 4MB of L2 cache, I think. Maybe it's something in the structure... that just makes it possible.

And by the way, 4GHz stable, Fadingz. I'm sure you can reach 4.2GHz - 4.5GHz stable with that QX9650 even... but do you "dare?" That's the real drawback of owning a really expensive tool. You just don't have the heart to drive the tool to its most extreme edge... whereas you can always drive a cheaper tool to its edge, and maybe you'll get nicer results than the expensive tool, too.

P.S.: And it's possible to draw anything in Paint... It's like the real tools that a traditional artist uses. Well... minus the nice blurring effects, that is, but they are not hard to do. Realistically, traditional artists will find Paint more friendly than Photoshop. Those who are in-between traditional and digital will find Photoshop and such tools as their ultimate tools... whereas the ones who are more geared towards digital will find producing models in Maya or 3Ds Max and then retouching them with Photoshop easier. It's all a matter of the kind of skills you have. Really.

Myself, I'm an in-between guy.

[Fadingz]

Originally Posted by runawayprisoner

rather, I'm questioning the quality of current professional tools.

Pick the cheapest of the best and not the other way around
Quality comes before price.
You only need what you need.
There is no need to get the full adobe pack if all you use is dreamweaver, and there is no point of getting a quad core if all you do is typing word documents.
However, if you are designing a webpage from scratch, then you would need web premium pack, and if you are building a heavy duty server, then you need Xeon.
The word 'professional tool' is subjective as well, the professional gaming GPU 9600GX2 is not even half decent is rendering, but the professional rendering GPU Quadro FX5600 does not give you any noticeable difference in gaming.
The quality of current professional tool depends on the users themselves, and it is up to them to decide the professionalism of the product on their field.
We are not in a perfectly competitive market; we do not have identical products. However, it is this variety of product that creates the professional characteristic on specific product.
WACOM is consider to be a professional tool because it fits the needs of the professional artists out there. The inverse, artists need to use the professional WACOM tablet to become professional, is false.

[cottonvibes]

geeze fadingz,
whats with all the speeches recently

[Fadingz]

Originally Posted by runawayprisoner

P.S.: And it's possible to draw anything in Paint... It's like the real tools that a traditional artist uses. Well... minus the nice blurring effects, that is, but they are not hard to do. Realistically, traditional artists will find Paint more friendly than Photoshop. Those who are in-between traditional and digital will find Photoshop and such tools as their ultimate tools... whereas the ones who are more geared towards digital will find producing models in Maya or 3Ds Max and then retouching them with Photoshop easier. It's all a matter of the kind of skills you have. Really.

Myself, I'm an in-between guy.

come on, if you know photoshop, it can do exactly what the guy did on Paint using Photoshop with MCUH BETTER AA, gradient, layer, color range.
There is nothing in paint that Photoshop doesn't have, and you can set the tools up so that they are used exactly the same as Paint but with MUCH better result.
I also doubt that traditional artists would like paint because it does not pick up any pressure/tilt when tablet is used.
Maya, 3Ds Max, and Photoshop are all professional tools btw, where Paint is... not.

If one thinks that a Toyota is the same as a Mercedes because they both properly carry the passengers to the target location, the I must assume that one does not know anything about cars.

Originally Posted by cottonvibes

geeze fadingz,
whats with all the speeches recently

HOHO! I dunno XD

[runawayprisoner]

Originally Posted by Fadingz

come on, if you know photoshop, it can do exactly what the guy did on Paint using Photoshop with MCUH BETTER AA, gradient, layer, color range.

How many would take the time to learn all those? I know it's easy for you youngsters, but it ain't easy for those who are stuck to traditional art and the way it is, 'ight? Gee... I sound 30 years older than my actual age!

I also doubt that traditional artists would like paint because it does not pick up any pressure/tilt when tablet is used.

Indeed. But point is... it's friggin' easy to learn Paint. Actually, you don't need to learn at all!

Maya, 3Ds Max, and Photoshop are all professional tools btw, where Paint is... not.

Didn't say otherwise!

If one thinks that a Toyota is the same as a Mercedes because they both properly carry the passengers to the target location, the I must assume that one does not know anything about cars.

If you assume that they don't properly carry the passengers to the target location, then you don't even know the basic of travelling.

I LOVE branded stuffs... because they are very stylish! But that doesn't mean cheap stuffs won't do.
Shocking? Not really. I used to think the same way you do... until I saw the inside of businesses. Yes, you are not in the same position I do, but when you do, you'll see that... although they may "look" and "feel" differently, some cars use the same parts... (don't let me get started on the relationship between motherboard manufacturers... and/or Intel with AMD. It's like a conspiracy thing, and insiders should just keep their mouths shut)
It's insane. Really... but let me get you in on a little secret: when you get really close to the source of these things, you can see that you yourself can do a much better job at producing better products than these guys, and really, you can even do so at a much lower price, too.

[Hard core Rikki]

Pros do not have the freedom to keep switching tools at leisure or periodically (switching also requires some bit of 'retraining', lost productivity). If your soft or material can't reasonably do what is expected from it, changing tools is the wisest thought.

Insiders are everywhere, in here (surprised? ;p). Bragging rights not indispensable.

PS: fadz, use more smilies ;p

[ViperXtreme]

too much texts -_-

Anyway, yet another dirt, a dirt to "counter" my previous sketch, also DBZ movie 7
YouTube - DBZ-M #7: Z Senshi Vs. Super #13 (Japanese)
Now were even ladies :P

[runawayprisoner]

Originally Posted by Hard core Rikki

Pros do not have the freedom to keep switching tools at leisure or periodically (switching also requires some bit of 'retraining', lost productivity). If your soft or material can't reasonably do what is expected from it, changing tools is the wisest thought.

What about when you are buying new tools? Or when your tool has already run out? Don't tell me you can use the same tube of paint for over a year! I can swear that some of my paint tubes run out after hours...

Insiders are everywhere, in here (surprised? ;p). Bragging rights not indispensable.

I didn't say otherwise. I just meant that if I said more, assassins would cut my throat right away. ;p That and I didn't want to generalize that everyone sees the same way I do. Obviously, we all see different things, no?

PS: fadz, use more smilies ;p

Aww... come on? Don't force immaturity/humor on him? He seems serious about this, and I'd like to respect that.

[Hard core Rikki]

I'll agree, pros do see it differently from MS Paint users ;p

[runawayprisoner]

But pro's should post their works more often. Not that I question your abilities, I just want to see more artworks! (And I'm quite sure that a pro's artwork is of higher quality!)

[Hard core Rikki]

Just keep posting speed stuff in the mean while, everybody likes these

[runawayprisoner]

^= There's the work of a famous speed painter that is very recent.

Just to tell ya: the guy is using a Genius tablet. Here's the one:

Newegg.com - Genius MousePen 8x6 Tablet 4064 LPI Resolution 1024 Pressure level, Cordless Pen & Wireless Scroll Mouse - Tablets

It's really cheap compared to Wacom Intuous3 boards, but he can obviously do with just that board. It's also the reason why I got the tablet I got...

P.S.: If you ask... I intentionally chose this one... since most of the members here are guys...