Anyone seen this disgusting video?

[runawayprisoner]

God's will... Sometimes it's so upsetting, eh?

[RockmanForte]

Why do you show it for ?! I am getting angry at them for doing it to poor puppy and kids. I hope it is fake but if it isn't then argh!

[Fadingz]

Originally Posted by RockmanForte

Why do you show it for ?! I am getting angry at them for doing it to poor puppy and kids. I hope it is fake but if it isn't then argh!

The second one is one the news, so it is real.
they are investigating it and that douche is on trial I think.

[RockmanForte]

So the puppy video is fake ?

[Slash558]

Originally Posted by Fadingz

who ever say that the US should keep the troops there should jump off that cliff with that douche bag

I'm not jumping off any cliff:|

Those videos are disgusting, absolutely NO doubt about that. However, the actions of some don't reflect everyone else. Many others in the military are actually doing their job: helping others. Whether by giving them supplies, or simply talking to them. You can't say 100% of them are bad for the actions of maybe 10% (not accurate figures, just representation).

Now, the only reason I support us staying is simple: look at Vietnam. Our morale w If we pull out now, all our gains will be for nothing and those 4,000+ who died will have died for absolutely NO reason. And chances are, things will fall apart and the terrorists will take over and then attack us...AGAIN.

And notice on the news, it's always bad? There is a lot of good stuff going on. I remember reading in a paper that an Iraqi civilian said that Iraq is still violent, but they are more free than they were under Saddam. Us going away and letting the radicals take over is surely going to undo that, no?

You can continue to preach the media's propaganda of us pulling out, but the families of those who died will NOT take their loved ones dieing for no reason very well. Just put yourself in their place and I think you'll understand.

Excuse the rant, but posts like that infuriate me:\ Now, I don't mean to flame (doubt I did), just want to point out the other side of the story.

[PCXL-Fan]

Iraq is an unwinnable war... a quagmire... we will never win no matter what. If we don't pull out now then another 4000+ troops will die in the next 5 years.

Terrorist never came out of iraq. Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11.

Being in Iraq is just what we need to insight more terrorism on our soil. They don't hate us for having prosperity half way across the world. They hate us for our influence/interference in the region. 9/11 didn't happen because they simply love to make others suffer. There were reasons and motives behind it.

Why do you think back in 1992 & 2001 before US and all its allies began their 'War on Terror' that they chose to attack US and not other affluent countries. No MASSIVE attacks on japan or european countries? Back in 1992 in the late 80s and early 90s it was thought that japan would own half of western USA by the end of the millennium. But the terrorist chose what to attack the US.

All the attacks/attempts of terrorism in recent years on other countries have been because they have been participating in Iraq or Afghanistan.

Despite the media siding with those who want to pull out they are still heavily sided with the viewpoints of the administration and spin it in their favor. Stop watching mainstream american news thats run by a bunch of spin doctors, particularly FOX. If you want something with a degree more balanced view watch the BBC or purchase an issue of Adbusters magazine.

[Fadingz]

Originally Posted by RockmanForte

So the puppy video is fake ?

oh sorry I meant the first one, the puppy one

[Slash558]

Maybe WE can't win, but the Iraqis, and Muslims as a whole can. We need to pull out, yes, but now is NOT the time. We are better off leaving when the moderates can/do begin stand up and fighting the extremists. Then they have a great future in store (not right away, but eventually). And it really appears the trouble started after the Iranian Revolution. I was told that relations in the Mid East were improving, then in an instant it went south. Then the rows with Israel...it's a powder keg filled with deep religious hatred.

The terrorists hate us for meddling, yes, but they also hate us because of our religion/culture. They are stuck in the era where Islam was rapidly expanding by any means necessary, and the common people had FEW, if any, rights.

And the piece about Fox...I cannot agree more. I hardly watch our media anymore. You're much better off reading online articles, cross-referencing and drawing your own conclusions.

Now, if I'm BLATANTLY/historically wrong, then please correct me

[Fadingz]

Originally Posted by Slash558

I'm not jumping off any cliff:|

Those videos are disgusting, absolutely NO doubt about that. However, the actions of some don't reflect everyone else. Many others in the military are actually doing their job: helping others. Whether by giving them supplies, or simply talking to them. You can't say 100% of them are bad for the actions of maybe 10% (not accurate figures, just representation).

Consider that the Iraqis and other nations do not want the US troop to stay in Iraq, I doubt the current troop is really doing much or any help there.

Originally Posted by Slash558

Now, the only reason I support us staying is simple: look at Vietnam. Our morale w If we pull out now, all our gains will be for nothing and those 4,000+ who died will have died for absolutely NO reason. And chances are, things will fall apart and the terrorists will take over and then attack us...AGAIN.

Do we need morale or moral?
I thought the code of America is freedom; why are we there to compel the Iraqis into American ideal.
If you say we are freeing them from Saddam Hussein, then fine, he is gone now, and the US troop can withdraw.
and who is attacking us? the incidence of 911? there is no exact proof of the cause and source of cause.
How do you know that the terrorists are in Iraq.
Bush says there are some massive destructive weapons in Iraq, but what have we found there? Nothing.
Take the Iraq war for example, did you see the weapons the Iraqis have? they are SOOOO outdated consider this is a modern war.
Even if the terrorists were in Iraq (if), they surely are gone now consider how long after this is after the Iraq war, and they surely have more than 1 base.

Some records show that the terrorists have changed the currency into diamonds, and where are the diamonds? Africa.
So now, US starts to investigate Africa. Then they 'suddenly' discover the civil wars in African nations (those have been going on for decade).
Then the news start to report them as the US government actually care about the people in Africa. Honestly, how much donations do the Africans receive from the fonds gathered by the US public?
The next step in this? Is US gonna declare war against Sierra Leone?

Originally Posted by Slash558

And notice on the news, it's always bad? There is a lot of good stuff going on. I remember reading in a paper that an Iraqi civilian said that Iraq is still violent, but they are more free than they were under Saddam. Us going away and letting the radicals take over is surely going to undo that, no?

Then why getting involved in the first place if there is no solution?
What exactly can the US do to make Iraq at peace?
The Iraqis do not want US government system, and the US has absolutely no right to force another nation to have the same government system.
Does it mean that US needs to be there forever? or move the entire White house there?
The US economy itself is encountering a crisis, the debt is piling up everyday, and the price of goods are rising everyday.
So the true solution is to kill off the radicals and then leave?
What is this? world domination? all objections must be eliminated?

Originally Posted by Slash558

You can continue to preach the media's propaganda of us pulling out, but the families of those who died will NOT take their loved ones dieing for no reason very well. Just put yourself in their place and I think you'll understand.

What exactly does the US gain from waring all these nations anyway, every since the Korean war, the Vietnam war, and now the Iraq war?
Will those 4000+ soldiers really die for a purpose?
There is no purpose to begin with, so why search for a purpose after they are dead?
Not to be cruel, but these soldiers are already dead; there is no way to bring them back to life.
Stay there and search for a purpose to justify their deaths will only cause more Americans and Iraqis to die for no reason.

Sorry for the long post; I'm not directing towards you, but towards the position of keeping the troop there overall.
Plus, this is my personal opinion.

[Chrono Archangel]

dunno.... i laughed the first time i saw it...

there are SO MANY other things thare are FAR WORST than that...

[cottonvibes]

chrono you're sick.

yeah theres worse things out there, but that doesn't justify what they're doing.

if you think thats funny, then perhaps you're the type of person who would do something like that.

[TheCloudOfSmoke]

That is disgusting, but I read a comment on that YouTube page saying that the puppy was already dead before throwing it and they added the sound of the dog yelping later. If so, then it's not as bad, but it's still disturbing. Notice that none of the other people talking in the background are really that shocked about it as if they already knew that it was dead as to why they didn't have any compassion for it being thrown afterwards? All that the person said was "That was mean".

Realize that the puppy was dead to begin with. The sounds were added in later to give the effect. This is just a reaction video, being the point of getting an instant reaction. All of you failed, as no one has actually looked closely at the puppy. A reaction video works when there is an action that causes an immediate emotional backlash - this effect makes a person ignore obvious traits in which make the video fake due to being caught up in their emotional state.

[cottonvibes]

TCOS,
that makes me feel better.

I asked if that was a real dog in my first post cuz it wasn't moving.
i thought it was a stuffed animal, but i guess it was already dead.

hopefully though, they weren't the ones who killed it.
but seeing the awful things some of those people do, i wouldn't be suprised.

[Fadingz]

Originally Posted by TheCloudOfSmoke

That is disgusting, but I read a comment on that YouTube page saying that the puppy was already dead before throwing it and they added the sound of the dog yelping later. If so, then it's not as bad, but it's still disturbing. Notice that none of the other people talking in the background are really that shocked about it as if they already knew that it was dead as to why they didn't have any compassion for it being thrown afterwards? All that the person said was "That was mean".

I know this is a way to make people feel better, but...
don't tell me that a dead dog can hold its tail up against gravity...

[cottonvibes]

i still don't know if its alive or not.
the yelling it makes sounds very fake and it dosn't move.

but like you said its tail is kindof up. but it might just be that the tail it has is like that naturally.

if you grab one of my dogs like that, they won't stop barking.

regardless, its a cruel thing to do. and that guy deserves to be shot.

[mudlord]

and that guy deserves to be shot.

That is your opinion...

So anyone that doesn't agree with what you beleive in deserves to be shot.

Well done..........

PS: bad things happen in this world. Live with it.
Bye.

[d0x!]

just goes to show there are indoits about, nothing new there

[cottonvibes]

Originally Posted by mudlord

That is your opinion...

So anyone that doesn't agree with what you beleive in deserves to be shot.

Well done..........

PS: bad things happen in this world. Live with it.
Bye.

...yeah, a guy throws a ****ing live animal and you're defending him?


people that do cruel things like that don't deserve to live.
yeah its my opinion, but theres alot of people who agree.
just check out the comments on the youtube page and see what all the people say.

if you agree with him why don't you goto Iraq and join him in with his animal cruelty. or maybe you can get his email address so you can send videos to each other of your "funny" acts of cruelty.


i've lost my respect for you mudlord...


btw, if you even think about what a person like that would do in normal society, then you wouldn't have made your post. who do you think become the serial killers and murderers? people like those guys, who don't even think twice b4 killing a poor defenseless animal.

[mudlord]

...yeah, a guy throws a ****ing live animal and you're defending him?

If you seriously believe so...When did I say am defending the moron?

What I was saying was that you beleive in the culling of people who do bad things. I personally beleive that, even though it is disturbing to say the least, there is little we can do, since its thier choices and its thier actions. Not ours.

people that do cruel things like that don't deserve to live.

Isn't that a little extreme?

if you agree with him why don't you goto Iraq and join him in with his animal cruelty. or maybe you can get his email address so you can send videos to each other of your "funny" acts of cruelty.

What a nice flaming attempt. Even when I didn't say anything about endorsing animal cruelty.

i've lost my respect for you mudlord...

Do I give 2 $h1ts? NO.

Think whatever you think...

btw, if you even think about what a person like that would do in normal society, then you wouldn't have made your post. who do you think become the serial killers and murderers?

And do I give a damn? No. Because I know the world's messed up as-is. There always will be people in society who are like that.