Question about Game forum rules.

Spyhop · February 5th, 2008

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Discussions on any kind of illegal material are not permitted on Emuforums, this includes illegal games, leaks & betas (unofficially illegally taken material), and mod chips. And once again, please read through our board rules before you start posting, thanks.

My question is, since when have mod chips been illegal? I mean, pirating games obviously, but why mods chips? There's some perfectly legitimate uses for them. There's some that simply region unlock consoles without removing copy protection.

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Paratech · February 5th, 2008

Shouldn't this be in the site questions and feedback?

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Spyhop · February 5th, 2008

Could be I suppose. It's a question pertaining specifically to this forum though.

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**jonc2006** · February 5th, 2008

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Originally Posted by Spyhop

My question is, since when have mod chips been illegal? I mean, pirating games obviously, but why mods chips? There's some perfectly legitimate uses for them. There's some that simply region unlock consoles without removing copy protection.

right but because there are some that do remove the copy protection and other questionable things, it then falls under the "grey area", which usually means even though it is in between legal and illegal and it doesnt directly fit into either one some or most of the time, its better just to avoid it altogether than taking chances and risking legal troubles.

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TheCloudOfSmoke · February 5th, 2008

Emulation as a whole is a grey area jonshizzle. Roms, and certain game discs that cannot be read by your standard DVD-ROM drive (GameCube discs) to be able to dump them legally without special hardware are grey areas too but we still are able to have discussions about those things. I don't see why modchip discussions are any different imo.

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Decisions, decisions.

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Thanakil · February 5th, 2008

If mod-chip were allowed to be discussed, we'd probably end up with 20 000 threads of people wanting to pirate game who'd simply come and start asking questions (just like how it happens with emulation). I suppose it's more of a "better be safe than sorry, we already have so much trouble as it is".

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**Hard core Rikki** · February 5th, 2008

discussing the 'advantages' of this/that modchip is what's considered borderline, actually.
what to do when people ask why discs dont work, for example? originals are supposed to run just fine on unmodded consoles.

DMCA and EUCA forbid modchip significantly, for their common copyprevention bypassing features (amusingly enough, Action Replay-type devices are ok). homebrew capabilities usually arent so crippled that a modchip would be needed to unlock consoles in such a way. my deepest sympathy to southern pacific people (australia and neozelanda), rough being PAL territories circled by NTSC ones

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TheCloudOfSmoke · February 5th, 2008

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If mod-chip were allowed to be discussed, we'd probably end up with 20 000 threads of people wanting to pirate game who'd simply come and start asking questions (just like how it happens with emulation). I suppose it's more of a "better be safe than sorry, we already have so much trouble as it is".

You mean just like how it already is with "PS2 romz" in the PCSEX section and NDS roms in the No$GBA section? I don't think that modchip talk could hurt anymore than rom talk. It's easier for a 9 year old noob to download a rom than it is for the 9 year old noob to try to get dad's credit card to buy a modchip and then install it. IMO, the more experienced users here would probably be the type of people to talk about modchips and most likely know the rules of what is ok to say/not ok to say in a legit emulation forum. My main point is that I think that modchip talk wouldn't be any more damaging to this site than Pokemon rom talk on this site.

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If I support the game company, then I won't won't be supporting the blank DVD business.

Decisions, decisions.

**jonc2006** · February 5th, 2008

right but using a modchip for that purpose is turning a console into a medium that can play pirated material, something the manufacturers would obviously object to. emulation doesnt actually modify the product itself, using special hardware for dumping or even using emulators on your computer to play pirated material still doesnt modify the manufacturers original product itself to the point where it can be used for purposes other than what it was intended for.

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Thanakil · February 5th, 2008

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You mean just like how it already is with "PS2 romz" in the PCSEX section and NDS roms in the No$GBA section? I don't think that modchip talk could hurt anymore than rom talk. It's easier for a 9 year old noob to download a rom than it is for the 9 year old noob to try to get dad's credit card to buy a modchip and then install it. IMO, the more experienced users here would probably be the type of people to talk about modchips and most likely know the rules of what is ok to say/not ok to say in a legit emulation forum. My main point is that I think that modchip talk wouldn't be any more damaging to this site than Pokemon rom talk on this site.

Yes, this is exactly why I said :
"(just like how it happens with emulation). I suppose it's more of a "better be safe than sorry, we already have so much trouble as it is"."

We already have so many threads about pirating as it is, do we want to worsen it with people starting to ask about mod-chips to pirate too? We already gotta tell people "no talk about piracy when emulating" do we really want to start repeating "no mod-chip to pirate, only legal ones" too? 90% of our time will be telling them to go away, it's bad enough with emulation already.

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Squall-Leonhart · February 5th, 2008

Modchips are legal in australia... but illegal in the USA.

USA, the land of the free?.. i think not.

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discussing the 'advantages' of this/that modchip is what's considered borderline, actually.
what to do when people ask why discs dont work, for example? originals are supposed to run just fine on unmodded consoles.

DMCA and EUCA forbid modchip significantly, for their common copyprevention bypassing features (amusingly enough, Action Replay-type devices are ok). homebrew capabilities usually arent so crippled that a modchip would be needed to unlock consoles in such a way. my deepest sympathy to southern pacific people (australia and neozelanda), rough being PAL territories circled by NTSC ones

heh, you seem to think that the USA gets more games then the EU does :P... thats a severe mistake.

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TheCloudOfSmoke · February 5th, 2008

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Originally Posted by Thanakil

Yes, this is exactly why I said :
"(just like how it happens with emulation). I suppose it's more of a "better be safe than sorry, we already have so much trouble as it is"."

I know, I read that part.

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If I support the game company, then I won't won't be supporting the blank DVD business.

Decisions, decisions.

Spyhop · February 5th, 2008

Ah ha. I didn't know they were illegal in the states. They're legal here.

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**refraction** · February 5th, 2008

they are illegal in the UK too. infact somebodies house was raided for over 300,000 gbp of modchips. i think it was here anyway.. lol

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PCXL-Fan · February 5th, 2008

<--see my location.

This is an international forum we gotta follow the American laws at the very least.

Would this include swap magic as well?

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**refraction** · February 5th, 2008

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<--see my location.

This is an international forum we gotta follow the American laws at the very least.

Would this include swap magic as well?

alas yes, it counts as a modification giving your console the ability to run illegal games, which it does, so it falls under the same catagory here.

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Squall-Leonhart · February 5th, 2008

American law at best sucks, no body bothers fighting it.

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PCXL-Fan · February 5th, 2008

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American law at best sucks, no body bothers fighting it.

America, Land of the repressed.

Australia is pretty high up there as well my friend. You guys are getting new draconian censorship laws.

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Radix865 · February 5th, 2008

Mod-chips are legal here, at least they were when I bought mine on PSX(now read more before judging...) but it never ended inside because there was noone to install it

I bought it as I bought some NTSC games from a friend(legal!

) but that leads to this... Why should we actually talk about them? IF you can come here it means you have other means to get the same effect with less trouble(emulation), no need to lose your warranty by adding a chip and in amateur hands you most likely would break the console... I think this is another reason we should avoid conversation about them someone might try something stupid as some idiot tells him its easy.

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**Cid Highwind** · February 5th, 2008

This is a German site actually, though I think it's probably safe to assume that kissing up to American laws is advised, seeing how we're operating on an international basis. Besides, if you heed their copyright laws you probably won't get in problems in any other country in the world anyway

I think it was also during the time that modchips were forbidden in certain countries that NGEmu decided to not have discussions about it. They are legal here as well, I'm free to do as I please with a console I bought anyway. NGEmu just needs to play it safe, seeing how we're already operating in a grey area, like said. It's better to be overly cautious than to have some lawsuit or receiving a cease and desist letter for promoting criminal activities.

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heh, you seem to think that the USA gets more games then the EU does :P... thats a severe mistake.

On Dreamcast it was. We got Rez, Headhunter, Shenmue 2 and Evil Twin

On the other hand, importing games from the US saves me 10 bucks compared to buying a game in a store here. I suppose both regions have something going for them. If you ever read an article about game sales dwindling in Europe, it's not because of piracy, it's because the masses found out it's cheaper to have the games ship from the other side of the Atlantic

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Thanakil Overheating. Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: The internet, ma'am. Posts: 2,198	If mod-chip were allowed to be discussed, we'd probably end up with 20 000 threads of people wanting to pirate game who'd simply come and start asking questions (just like how it happens with emulation). I suppose it's more of a "better be safe than sorry, we already have so much trouble as it is". __________________ “Wall of Text” (Illusion, Bureaumancy) Upon casting this spell the mage bathes a 10'x10' cube/lvl. area with mindless mutterings, ranting, copious formulaic backstory, or repeated iterations of “Romani ite Domus!” Anyone in the area of effect must make a will save or suffer one of three effects: Confusion, Emotion of Hopelessness, or their head explodes. Blind targets are not affected. Dyslexic targets save at +3. Counterspell: Erase

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jonc2006 Mod of Douchebagness™ Join Date: May 2006 Location: USA MD. Posts: 8,795	right but using a modchip for that purpose is turning a console into a medium that can play pirated material, something the manufacturers would obviously object to. emulation doesnt actually modify the product itself, using special hardware for dumping or even using emulators on your computer to play pirated material still doesnt modify the manufacturers original product itself to the point where it can be used for purposes other than what it was intended for. __________________ Antec 900/Antec Truepower Quattro 1000W/eVGA 780i SLI/Windows XP Media SP2 & Windows Vista Ultimate 32-bit SP1/Intel Core 2 Duo E8400@4.0GHz/Dual eVGA e-Geforce GTX280 1GB DDR3 SLI Enabled/Creative SB X-Fi XtremeGamer/Corsiar XMS2 4GB (2x2GB) PC2-6400 DDR2/Dual WD Caviar SE16 500GB 7200RPM HDDs The Official jonc2006™ Emotion Chart. Courtesy of PCXL-Fan after he tried to steal my identity on Steam because I am so awesome. Official jonc2006™ Fan Club Official jonc2006™ Trophy Collection

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Radix865 Symmetric-8-cirtemmyS Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Finland, just below arctic circle. Posts: 3,243	Mod-chips are legal here, at least they were when I bought mine on PSX(now read more before judging...) but it never ended inside because there was noone to install it I bought it as I bought some NTSC games from a friend(legal! ) but that leads to this... Why should we actually talk about them? IF you can come here it means you have other means to get the same effect with less trouble(emulation), no need to lose your warranty by adding a chip and in amateur hands you most likely would break the console... I think this is another reason we should avoid conversation about them someone might try something stupid as some idiot tells him its easy. __________________ - Soul Eater -