What makes Xbox360 ellite different from the original?

[FLaRe85]

Originally Posted by Master Chief

Nevertheless, if Sony charged for their online service, would you pay for it? I have a feeling you would.

I think he would too.

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[hushypushy]

If PS3's were dying left and right, I think MM would be singing a different tune. It's just so convenient to bash the 360. Nice and easy...

I don't think I've been to one store in the past 6 months with a working 360 display. Mine's still kicking though

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[Master Chief]

It doesn't matter either way. IMO, if the Xbox 360 and PS3 switched places (the Xbox 360 being as solid as the PS3 with HD-DVD/Blu-Ray for games, etc., the PS3 using DVD9, an optional hard drive, and had some overheating issues) most Playstation owners would be saying the same thing Xbox 360 owners are today. They'd be pissed off at Sony somewhat for the overheating issues, they would defend the decision to use DVD9, saying anything larger isn't really needed, etc, etc etc...I could go on forever.

It's a shame that the Xbox 360 has these overheating issues. People just can't wait to make fun of a Microsoft product, and these problems kind of give them a reason to. People pick out every little nuance the Xbox 360 has.

My advice to anyone looking to buy any console, is to decide for yourself. You can read opinions and learn from other people's experiences, but in the end you decide where you want to put your money.

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[fried_egg]

It's stupid to speculate on how customers would be reacting if the shoe were on the other foot.

[FLaRe85]

Originally Posted by fried_egg

It's stupid to speculate on how customers would be reacting if the shoe were on the other foot.

Why? It's a defense argument. It makes sense.

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[Metalmurphy]

Originally Posted by Master Chief

You really don't need Xbox Live to play online. If you've ever heard of the tunneling applications, you could use them to play Xbox 360 over the internet without using Live (granted, all people really play on them is Halo 2).

Nevertheless, if Sony charged for their online service, would you pay for it? I have a feeling you would.

Tunnelling applications... that's funny, not practical, and illegal.

And no i wouldn't pay for PSN. I think paying for playing on-line is just plain ridiculous.

Originally Posted by FLaRe85

I think he would too.

What you think is irrelevant. What exactly do you know about me? Exactly...

Ask Samor what i think about the 360 and you'll be proven wrong. Have some facts before accusing me of something, cause you guys clearly have no idea what you're talking about.

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[refraction]

Originally Posted by hushypushy

If PS3's were dying left and right, I think MM would be singing a different tune. It's just so convenient to bash the 360. Nice and easy...

I don't think I've been to one store in the past 6 months with a working 360 display. Mine's still kicking though

i dont think its a case of "bashing" it, its more of the fear of the console, there has been a lot of hysteria involving the state of the consoles health. You are fine cos your console is working good, so you dont feel you need to worry, but for use who havent bought one, we worry if the one we do get, if we get one, is just going to be another statistic.

Personally if i buy a console, i buy it to play on it, not play mailing games with M$

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[Master Chief]

Originally Posted by Metalmurphy

Tunnelling applications... that's funny, not practical, and illegal.

What ?! That is not true at all. Tunneling applications are completely legal. They use the System Link feature to play over the internet. They work with any console that has the capability (including PS2). They don't use the Live service at all.

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Originally Posted by Metalmurphy

cause you guys clearly have no idea what you're talking about.

Indeed? Coming from someone who think tunneling applications are illegal...

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[Metalmurphy]

Originally Posted by Master Chief

What ?! That is not true at all. Tunneling applications are completely legal. They use the System Link feature to play over the internet. They work with any console that has the capability (including PS2).

I'm guessing your talking about tools like Hamachi, or Xkai, i'm pretty sure playing through them is illegal, or in a very grey area (like No-CD cracks).

Either way they're not very practical.

Originally Posted by Master Chief

Indeed? Coming from someone who think tunneling applications are illegal...

Wait... so me thinking they're illegal means you know me?

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[Master Chief]

Originally Posted by Metalmurphy

I'm guessing your talking about tools like Hamachi, or Xkai, i'm pretty sure playing through them is illegal, or in a very grey area (like No-CD cracks).

Either way they're not very practical.

Don't know what Hamachi is, if by Xkai you mean XLink Kai, then XLink Kai is completely legal. Check out the link I posted. Bungie even posted this information on their site (people were playing Halo 1 Xbox over these programs online using the system link feature). It's not a grey area. It's a different way to play online. And how are they not practical? They work fine. I never have any trouble with them. I don't really use them to often now since I have Xbox Live.

Originally Posted by Metalmurphy

Wait... so me thinking they're illegal means you know me?

Umm..what? You just said above that they were illegal (and they aren't). In fact, I'll quote it for you:

Originally Posted by Metalmurphy

Tunnelling applications... that's funny, not practical, and illegal.

Which, again, is incorrect.

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[Metalmurphy]

Originally Posted by Master Chief

Don't know what Hamachi is, if by Xkai you mean XLink Kai, then XLink Kai is completely legal. Check out the link I posted. Bungie even posted this information on their site (people were playing Halo 1 Xbox over these programs online using the system link feature). It's not a grey area. It's a different way to play online. And how are they not practical? They work fine. I never have any trouble with them. I don't really use them to often now since I have Xbox Live.

Emulators aren't illegal either, but u can do illegal stuff there. Some games are blocking ips used by tools like taht. So yeah, i think its a grey area. And still its a pretty dumb alternative.

I've been playing online for free for ages, with dedicated servers, and now we have to pay for a p2p service? Ain't gonna happen.

Originally Posted by Master Chief

Umm..what? You just said above that they were illegal (and they aren't).

You're making no sense. I said you have no idea what you're talking about when you're accusing me of being a fanboy. What does me thinking these tools are illegal have to do with anything?

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[Master Chief]

Originally Posted by Metalmurphy

Emulators aren't illegal either, but u can do illegal stuff there. Some games are blocking ips used by tools like taht. So yeah, i think its a grey area. And still its a pretty dumb alternative.

Of course, but by no means is it a grey area. People can illegally play copied Xbox 360 games on Xbox Live, but does that make it a grey area?

Originally Posted by Metalmurphy

I've been playing online for free for ages, with dedicated servers, and now we have to pay for a p2p service? Ain't gonna happen.

Fine with me.

Originally Posted by Metalmurphy

You're making no sense. I said you have no idea what you're talking about when you're accusing me of being a fanboy. What does me thinking these tools are illegal have to do with anything?

Actually, I didn't really understand how you worded your sentence. I never accused you of being a fanboy. I said you probably would pay for PSN if you had to. An assumption on my part, I apologize.

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[Metalmurphy]

"You" was used in plural. (Hey Flare85 & hushy )

And like i said, the fact that some games are blocking IPs used in tools like that makes it a grey area in my book.

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[Master Chief]

Originally Posted by Metalmurphy

And like i said, the fact that some games are blocking IPs used in tools like that makes it a grey area in my book.

I was never aware of that happening.

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[BigIg]

Tunneling is legal, *BUT* X360 games have a 50ms or so ping limit on syslink games.

In fact, gamespy released a tunneling program years ago.

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[hushypushy]

Goddamn, console wars are so awful--it makes me not even want to read threads about 360/Wii/PS3. Maybe I should just do that...anyway:

Metalmurphy, you're allowed to have an opinion. And you know what, I agree with many of the things you say. HOWEVER it is plainly obvious to everyone else how biased you are. I'm not calling you a "fanboy" (which is not even a word) but instead saying you are biased. Not as biased as Fox News, but still. I hope that you can at least admit that.

Originally Posted by Metalmurphy

What you think is irrelevant. What exactly do you know about me? Exactly...

What about all that stuff you JUST said about the 360? How defective consoles are still being manufactured? Or about the tunneling? Tell yourself what you just said to Flare: "What you think is irrelevant. What exactly do you know about the 360?" (the answer: only what you are told by "the man". And that's not very much)

I'm goddamn sick and tired of all this endless, ARGUMENTATIVE, speculative bull****. Feel free to discuss opinions on things, but keep in mind that they are exactly that--opinions.

Did you know that some people don't mind paying for Xbox Live? Yeah I know that it's insane that some people will pay that ridiculous, ludicrous amount of FOUR DOLLARS AND SEVENTEEN CENTS A MONTH to play unlimited online games. They must be made of money, or something. I can't believe MS would have the gall to charge so much for online play! They have like, billions of dollars. Why don't they share??

In all seriousness (and sincerity, and a little bit of tact): try to get along, and be reasonable!

By the way, does anyone have any figures on how many 360's have not failed?

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[FLaRe85]

Originally Posted by Master Chief

I was never aware of that happening.

MM's full of ****. It's impossible to "block IPs" since for all intents and purposes, the XBox believes it's communicating with another XBox on the LAN. Apparently, he has no idea what the hell a proxy is or how it works.

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[BigIg]

Originally Posted by FLaRe85

MM's full of ****. It's impossible to "block IPs" since for all intents and purposes, the XBox believes it's communicating with another XBox on the LAN. Apparently, he has no idea what the hell a proxy is or how it works.

Exactally. All it is is a VPN... for xboxes.

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[FLaRe85]

Originally Posted by BigIg

Exactally. All it is is a VPN... for xboxes.

Well, yes and no. In a VPN scenario, the XBox WOULD be aware of the remote machine's IPs and it would communicate with them directly, through the gateway. This scenario would still work as long as broadcast is permitted through the VPN tunnel.

With the proxy scenario, the PC running the software serves as an intermediary and pretends to be an XBox on the local network. It then relays traffic back and forth, but there's no true encapsulation of layer 2/3 (depending on the type of VPN) traffic to a third-party.

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[refraction]

Originally Posted by hushypushy

By the way, does anyone have any figures on how many 360's have not failed?

well... if i go off their quoted 30ish% failure rate, n they've sold about 10 million, that'd make it about 7million are still alive and kicking, unless ppl are just throwing them away ;p

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