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[BlackDuck]

Sure, we all love these next gen consoles theyre coming out with, but dont you remember the good old days when u brought a lot of friends over for some chips and soda and play a good game of Golden eye 007, or Mario Kart 64?? Im thinking these new consoles are spoling us...what do you think

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i think its following natural progression of things. 5-10 years down the line you will be saying the same about the PS4, Xbox 720 and the Nintendo Puu :P

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[Cid Highwind]

Well one thing I do miss is that hotseat and splitscreen isn't as popular anymore like it used to be. The focus has shifted in favor of online gaming. Still, playing Virtua Tennis with 3 friends while having a beer never gets old, it doesn't matter if you play the Dreamcast or X360 version anyway.

The only ones getting spoiled by new consoles are kids, it's the same how we have the "Playstation Generation", you know, kids who are like 18 years old right now and who think the Playstation kicked off the 1st generation of consoles. (despite it being the 5th gen, and the Saturn being the first one, or maybe an even less known system)

And I can't really stand those kind of people, mainly because they don't see how 2d games can be more fun than 3d ones, and that not every game needs to have a licensed OST and 500 hours of unique content to be good.

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Originally Posted by Cid Highwind

I can't really stand those kind of people, mainly because they don't see how 2d games can be more fun than 3d ones, and that not every game needs to have a licensed OST and 500 hours of unique content to be good.

I couldn't agree more. Gamers as narrow-minded as the PlayStation generation types just sicken me, and they're the ones seemingly driving the industry these days.

Note to sensitive Sony types: this ISN'T Sony bashing on my part. It's just a side-effect of Sony bringing gaming to the mainstream. The Sony systems have their own share of wonderful, truly individual titles like God Hand and the like, that that crowd doesn't buy into either. And now the journos have bought into it too, and more and more of them review games by the same shallow criteria. No wonder hardly anyone buys print mags anymore, it's almost impossible to find any quality amongst the stacks of utter trash. Online journos are generally even worse (hello IGN and friends), but at least they don't charge you for it.

As for multiplayer gaming, well online is undoubtedly a great addition, but doing so at the expense of good old "few mates and a whole lot of beer" split-screen gaming would be a huge loss. That's one of the reasons I love consoles, PCs just don't have that, short of a fullscale LAN party. Not to mention it's sometimes nice to just play something without being called a *** every ten minutes by a bunch of spoiled 13 year olds on Live

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[Samor]

The Wii and DS I think are now kind of doing to the PlayStation generation what that generation did to us oldies... if it keeps up like this, at least

And, hotseatgaming was great with Grand Prix 2. You could play with as much people as you wanted (well, 24, since that were the max amount of drivers in GP2) and play hotseat matches... and then you'd hope the computer wouldn't screw up while you were waiting for your turn

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[Toshiro]

I will have to agree kids these days are spoiled, I really appreciate a lot more 2d games than I would the 3D or high end graphics ones. Which is why I support and purchase NIS games and their likes, and they are good games for me. I think the generation who grew up with Atari and Nintendo are a dying breed, I am almost at my end by whatever, I will remember to let my kids start back in the good old classics before jumping to this "next gen" stuff.

[Cid Highwind]

Originally Posted by SisterCheeba

I couldn't agree more. Gamers as narrow-minded as the PlayStation generation types just sicken me, and they're the ones seemingly driving the industry these days.

Note to sensitive Sony types: this ISN'T Sony bashing on my part. It's just a side-effect of Sony bringing gaming to the mainstream. The Sony systems have their own share of wonderful, truly individual titles like God Hand and the like, that that crowd doesn't buy into either. And now the journos have bought into it too, and more and more of them review games by the same shallow criteria. No wonder hardly anyone buys print mags anymore, it's almost impossible to find any quality amongst the stacks of utter trash. Online journos are generally even worse (hello IGN and friends), but at least they don't charge you for it.

As for multiplayer gaming, well online is undoubtedly a great addition, but doing so at the expense of good old "few mates and a whole lot of beer" split-screen gaming would be a huge loss. That's one of the reasons I love consoles, PCs just don't have that, short of a fullscale LAN party. Not to mention it's sometimes nice to just play something without being called a *** every ten minutes by a bunch of spoiled 13 year olds on Live

Seems we have a lot in common when it comes to gaming. My reason for not playing online even though I had DSL for well over a year was that I simply cannot picture myself playing with some kids who don't know how to behave even half-decent in an online game. I prefer a more mature place as a gaming community, hence why I still enjoy one particular roleplay server of Neverwinter Nights (1).

LAN parties can be fun, never been to one though. The advantage consoles have over PCs in that aspect is that for a LAN party you need a lot of space, and everyone needs to bring their entire PC + monitor if they don't have a powerful enough laptop. With consoles the only thing you need to bring are games and perhaps a controller.

As for the change caused by the influence of the "playstation generation", I think it resulted in dumbed down gaming on one hand. Simply because the masses need to be appealed, thus there aren't as many hard puzzles and reflex testing challenges in a lot of games anymore. At least not to the point you have to retry a level 10 times before succeeding. Perfection of skill simply isn't needed anymore in single player games, unless you want to go online. Then again, it might have something to do with the fact a lot of games have difficulty settings now as well, and it's easier to pick MEDIUM, and once you've played a game, you'll throw it in a corner ready to be taken by dust.

One of the more positive things of this whole thing is that games have become more streamlined, as if they are entertaining you, rather than the other way around. Given, I can't stand FMV anymore, since I'd rather have an ingame cutscene, or better, an interactive one like in Shenmue. Still it can be nice to play "movie like" games, where you can sit down, chill out from the action and enjoy it a bit.

As long as we as non-mainstream gamers will support the niche genres and unique games, I'm sure they won't disappear. I, for one, haven't given up on gaming even though there's a lot of generic crap on the market. There will always be a couple of games worth my money.

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[Samor]

Originally Posted by Cid Highwind

Seems we have a lot in common when it comes to gaming. My reason for not playing online even though I had DSL for well over a year was that I simply cannot picture myself playing with some kids who don't know how to behave even half-decent in an online game. I prefer a more mature place as a gaming community, hence why I still enjoy one particular roleplay server of Neverwinter Nights (1).

That's also a bit of a problem for me. Aside from that, I don't like to join an online game unless I've at least got some practise beforehand. I don't like it when people jump online without knowing what to do. Just like when using emulators, by the way. You should try yourself before coming here asking, IMO.

LAN parties can be fun, never been to one though. The advantage consoles have over PCs in that aspect is that for a LAN party you need a lot of space, and everyone needs to bring their entire PC + monitor if they don't have a powerful enough laptop. With consoles the only thing you need to bring are games and perhaps a controller.

Only ever been to private parties... yes, dragging and configging the pc was a hassle, but once you were set it was a lot of fun.

As for the change caused by the influence of the "playstation generation", I think it resulted in dumbed down gaming on one hand. Simply because the masses need to be appealed, thus there aren't as many hard puzzles and reflex testing challenges in a lot of games anymore. At least not to the point you have to retry a level 10 times before succeeding. Perfection of skill simply isn't needed anymore in single player games, unless you want to go online. Then again, it might have something to do with the fact a lot of games have difficulty settings now as well, and it's easier to pick MEDIUM, and once you've played a game, you'll throw it in a corner ready to be taken by dust.

I already noticed easier difficulty in Gameboy titles as opposed to the MSX games I played before them. That's the thing with MSX; even now there are tons of games I never finished, because they're quite hard.
Another thing is - there's so much more available than before... in ye olde days, I had a limited amount of games and every single one of them was given a lot of attention. Not anymore. Trying to go more legal has limited this development though - when you buy a game you're more tempted to give it proper time then when just downloading all the time.

One of the more positive things of this whole thing is that games have become more streamlined, as if they are entertaining you, rather than the other way around. Given, I can't stand FMV anymore, since I'd rather have an ingame cutscene, or better, an interactive one like in Shenmue. Still it can be nice to play "movie like" games, where you can sit down, chill out from the action and enjoy it a bit.

Sure, it's been positive for content in games. Whereas you'd have to be happy with 8 stages (and in racing games, 3 tracks) in the past, you now have a lot more to choose from, which is nice. Allthough the games got easier, they have a lot more options to replay them. Funny enough though, old games often still have more replay value simply because they were more fun.

As long as we as non-mainstream gamers will support the niche genres and unique games, I'm sure they won't disappear. I, for one, haven't given up on gaming even though there's a lot of generic crap on the market. There will always be a couple of games worth my money.

Well, you know me - racers aside, I have the tendency to pick some pretty obscure games at times

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Something is going to come out and challange all 3 "Nintendo", "Playstation" and "Microsoft" in the next 10 years and wipe them all out. I can have a bet on that and reap the profits. Maybe i know something nobody else knows??

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[Cid Highwind]

Originally Posted by Samor

I already noticed easier difficulty in Gameboy titles as opposed to the MSX games I played before them. That's the thing with MSX; even now there are tons of games I never finished, because they're quite hard.
Another thing is - there's so much more available than before... in ye olde days, I had a limited amount of games and every single one of them was given a lot of attention. Not anymore. Trying to go more legal has limited this development though - when you buy a game you're more tempted to give it proper time then when just downloading all the time.

A very good point indeed, I noticed the same. Games I paid big bucks for I simply WANT to love. I don't give up if I am bothered by a particular flaw or bug. I'll try to find workarounds. Still budget games will land somewhere underneath my desk if they don't please me within the first 30 minutes. Hellow Morrowind, Homeworld 2 and Might & Magic 7, and numerous crappy DC titles

Sure, it's been positive for content in games. Whereas you'd have to be happy with 8 stages (and in racing games, 3 tracks) in the past, you now have a lot more to choose from, which is nice. Allthough the games got easier, they have a lot more options to replay them. Funny enough though, old games often still have more replay value simply because they were more fun.

Maybe it's because games have become more complicated as well, not simply being the "pick up and play" style like they used to be. And to me the nostalgia factor plays a large part as well when it comes to NES and SNES games. I always play NES games I used to play years ago on a real NES. (and now don't bother me with the legal talk plz )

Well, you know me - racers aside, I have the tendency to pick some pretty obscure games at times

I'll start worrying once I see a picture of Final Fantasy XI with both expansions and a 30 day subscription in the new game thread

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Something is going to come out and challange all 3 "Nintendo", "Playstation" and "Microsoft" in the next 10 years and wipe them all out. I can have a bet on that and reap the profits. Maybe i know something nobody else knows??

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I would love to go back to the days when my cousins and I got stoned , drunk and allot of other things and played ki , mariokart 64 ,river city ransom and uniracers ... But alas those days are long gone now .Being raised on atari consoles first did give me a love for 2d games though .

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Ahem... *cough* I am 18... and I love GBA and NES games, does that make me a PlayStation generation? Guess not?... I'm just thinking... maybe they should bring the 2D goodies back to the next-gen consoles, instead of burying them under a pile of graphically beautiful games and such. You blame the PlayStation generation to be too 3D-centric... but honestly, I think they haven't seen the 2D games yet. I have, and I have enjoyed playing those 2D titles with my family... I mean... what could possibly beat the fun of playing Contra on the NES with a brother who is ready to give his character's life to protect you... and ready to get new life for you? Or when you gather around with your pals and try to see who can get the most score in Galaxian? Those moments were priceless to me... and I can repeat that again: Those were priceless! I've gone 10 years of my life gaming on new consoles and such... and I still haven't been able to find much on these new consoles that can ever replace the time I spent with my brother... and family. Things like those arcade games can be found on the PlayStation 2... and now the Wii, but how many of them do kids in my generation know about? And how many of them are actually known through their sequels or prequels or remakes on newer consoles? Seriously, if I could, I would publish a gaming magazine totally dedicated to classic gamings... and I hope it would bring those old-timers back into the hearts of current gamers... and that they can enjoy those with their family, just like I did.

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[cowfez]

I think this is what Miyamoto wants with the Wii. Simpler games whose scale and budget won't require marketing and developmental difficulty to outweigh creativity. Will they achieve this?

[runawayprisoner]

They will, if they don't emphasize the new games too much... which they are, so...

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[The guy]

Oh the old days, those days were great.

Having a few friends over playing the SNES or N64. Goldeneye 007, Mariokart 64 and Metal Warriors.

Personally, I don't like any of the next gen systems or online games. I'm tired of children cussing at me or calling me a hacker when they lose.

[shafeen]

Originally Posted by Cid Highwind

And I can't really stand those kind of people, mainly because they don't see how 2d games can be more fun than 3d ones, and that not every game needs to have a licensed OST and 500 hours of unique content to be good.

agreed playing 2d games old skool consoless was a lot of fun ..something that i miss even today

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Originally Posted by Cid Highwind

And I can't really stand those kind of people, mainly because they don't see how 2d games can be more fun than 3d ones, and that not every game needs to have a licensed OST and 500 hours of unique content to be good.

You've just described my friend.Granted,he doesn't hate 2D games but he is probably the ultimate graphic whore.

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Originally Posted by cowfez

I think this is what Miyamoto wants with the Wii. Simpler games whose scale and budget won't require marketing and developmental difficulty to outweigh creativity. Will they achieve this?

I also think that this is the idea behind the wii, and it appeals so much to me that it's the only console i'll be getting somewhen this year, not only because of the price, but also because of the whole concept.

I do appreciate pretty graphics nevertheless, but i still think that realism is not the point of gaming. The wii is more like a "power on and have fun for some hours" console. The PS3 is more like a, "buy a game and enclose yourself for the weekend" console. At least that's the image i'm recieving.

I do love to get carried away into new worlds by a game, but not all the time, that's why the PS3 will be more like going to the cinema to me. Something i love to do but on special occasions.

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Originally Posted by BlackDuck

Sure, we all love these next gen consoles theyre coming out with, but dont you remember the good old days when u brought a lot of friends over for some chips and soda and play a good game of Golden eye 007, or Mario Kart 64?? Im thinking these new consoles are spoling us...what do you think

great time ^_^
Golden eyes multi screen play + rumble pack + sushi + soft drink/beers + than having a roof top tower near the swimming pool at nite looking down all those glittering lights while having a BBQ picnic = good time.
Or Blitz + rumble packs , those were the most awesome console game with a pack of friend can really have at those beautiful event.

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Originally Posted by runawayprisoner

Ahem... *cough* I am 18... and I love GBA and NES games, does that make me a PlayStation generation? Guess not?... I'm just thinking... maybe they should bring the 2D goodies back to the next-gen consoles, instead of burying them under a pile of graphically beautiful games and such. You blame the PlayStation generation to be too 3D-centric... but honestly, I think they haven't seen the 2D games yet. I have, and I have enjoyed playing those 2D titles with my family... I mean... what could possibly beat the fun of playing Contra on the NES with a brother who is ready to give his character's life to protect you... and ready to get new life for you? Or when you gather around with your pals and try to see who can get the most score in Galaxian? Those moments were priceless to me... and I can repeat that again: Those were priceless! I've gone 10 years of my life gaming on new consoles and such... and I still haven't been able to find much on these new consoles that can ever replace the time I spent with my brother... and family. Things like those arcade games can be found on the PlayStation 2... and now the Wii, but how many of them do kids in my generation know about? And how many of them are actually known through their sequels or prequels or remakes on newer consoles? Seriously, if I could, I would publish a gaming magazine totally dedicated to classic gamings... and I hope it would bring those old-timers back into the hearts of current gamers... and that they can enjoy those with their family, just like I did.

There's always exceptions

j/k

I think it's the problem that a lot of these people aren't open minded enough for old school gameplay. And they are used to the same kind of intense action, but only in 3d. So why just have gameplay when you can have graphics as well?

Or perhaps they have higher standards. Cause I know I did play a lot of crap in the old days, we enjoyed ourselves, but still some games aren't really top quality. We enjoyed them anyway, I guess that makes us less spoiled?

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