Playstation 3 VS XBOX 360 Which better consoles ??

[Hackers89cool]

I just want to know which is better consoles in the market right now...

PS3 or Xbox 360... i started to buying new console but i dont know which is better.... Ps3 showing many goods games like Final Fantasy 13..Metal GeaR solid 4.. but Ps3 Lack of graphics(refer gamespot.com) i dunno ps3 is weak..
i look the trailer such like killzone 2 ...Fantastic Graphics but i dont trust that..

Gamespot says Xbox 360 has a better graphics than PS3... i become crazy which are a better consoles.... Lightning effects..HDR..Shaders Effects..are more Nicest than Ps3... I dont know which console is more powerful...

ok..ok enough this thing...i'll buy PSONE is more better....

[refraction]

totally the wrong section. moving to gaming discussion

[Typhoon 01]

If you read carefully, gamespot states that the graphics in multiplatform games especially the ones by activision are better on the X360 because these games were developed for the x360 and then ported to the ps3.
In terms of raw power the ps3 is more powerful, but that only means that the ps3 can achieve the same level of eye candy but with more of it at the same time.
Anyway it all comes down to what developers do with the platform, and what type of games you like, if you like jrpg's go for the ps3 if you like fps's you should turn to the x360.

[Cid Highwind]

Raw power means nothing if it remains untapped. The 360 has got three full cores while the PS3 has got only one, with 7 SPEs. Also, I'd like to see the GPU specs of both systems compared before you can say which console is more powerful. Like the PS2 showed, it's nice to push a lot of polygons, but some decent texturing and filtering would be more than welcome as well.

Don't buy a console for its power, but it for its games.

At the moment the 360 is the better console. It's been released worldwide, it's got some great games, brilliant online capabilities and the largest marketshare. All the PS3 has is potential.

[Hackers89cool]

did Ps3 loading times is more faster than Xbox 360 ??

[Densetsu]

Originally Posted by Hackers89cool

did Ps3 loading times is more faster than Xbox 360 ??

In some games.
For example Sonic(i think it's Sonic) and Oblivion load faster than Xbox 360 versions mostly because the stuff is stuffed on PS3's HD.

[D.D.]

Originally Posted by Cid Highwind

Raw power means nothing if it remains untapped. The 360 has got three full cores while the PS3 has got only one, with 7 SPEs.

but of course, you realize that the CELL (PS3's cpu)'s PPE, or "one core" is different from the cores on the Xbox360 in that it is 2-way hyperthreading whereas the Xbox360 does not. also, the 7 SPEs (though 1 is locked for now for the OS system) are for all intents and purposes cores in themselves that are extremely fast. in terms of CPU computing power and parallization, the Xbox360 does not stand a chance.

the question is whether the vertex setup of the RSX offset the shader power that it has over the Xbox360's GPU. for now, there are devs saying that they cull using the power of the CELL, but its not certain whether this is actually a big problem or whether they do it because its something that CELL does very well.

but your point is right in that you should buy a console for its games. but its also wise to consider its future potential games as well before jumping into a system with potentially lack of games you will be interested in.

[Metalmurphy]

Wich is the better console RIGHT NOW? X360, no doubts there. More games, better games, great online support, specially if you live in the US. The question is, what about in 1 year time? I'm pretty sure the PS3 will be bringing the best entertainment in the long run.

As for wich one is more powerful, its common knowledge the PS3 is, but the 360 isn't far behind. Like Typhoon 01 said, the 360 is looking better in a couple of games but only because they're ports of the 360 version, and the differences are so small its only worth mentioning in fanboys wars. If a game is redone for the PS3 (not a port) you can clearly see many advantages, check oblivion for example, faster load times, sharper textures, bigger draw distance, better frame rate.

There is also the matter that your getting a HD player for free, and by the looks of it, its the format thats gonna win the HD format war. BR sales are 3:1 to HD-DVD, some stores stopped selling HD-DVDs, Bluray has more movies for February then HD-DVD has for the entire 2007, BR has the top 3 movie studios of 2006 exclusively, Sony pictures being number 1, plus with Dell and Alienware now pushing bluray as well i think its pretty clear BR is gonna win.

If your not desperate to buy a console system right now, i say, get a Wii, and wait a couple of months until the PS3 matures and devs get past the hardest part of the learning curve, your gonna see some pretty sweet things after that. Then make your decision.

[Cid Highwind]

Originally Posted by D.D.

but of course, you realize that the CELL (PS3's cpu)'s PPE, or "one core" is different from the cores on the Xbox360 in that it is 2-way hyperthreading whereas the Xbox360 does not. also, the 7 SPEs (though 1 is locked for now for the OS system) are for all intents and purposes cores in themselves that are extremely fast. in terms of CPU computing power and parallization, the Xbox360 does not stand a chance.

the question is whether the vertex setup of the RSX offset the shader power that it has over the Xbox360's GPU. for now, there are devs saying that they cull using the power of the CELL, but its not certain whether this is actually a big problem or whether they do it because its something that CELL does very well.

but your point is right in that you should buy a console for its games. but its also wise to consider its future potential games as well before jumping into a system with potentially lack of games you will be interested in.

Yeah yeah and bla bla bla, all gamers care about is on which console it is going to look better right? :P

(sure I'm very interested in seeing out of which console they can tap most power to create the most impressive games, but I prefer games to show the power, rather than mathematics)

[D.D.]

Originally Posted by Cid Highwind

Yeah yeah and bla bla bla, all gamers care about is on which console it is going to look better right? :P

if you say so...

as an engineering student tho, im not keen on seeing the merits of technology such as the CELL get undersold. and we both know that my response cud have been much longer on the merits of CELL

Originally Posted by Cid Highwind

(sure I'm very interested in seeing out of which console they can tap most power to create the most impressive games, but I prefer games to show the power, rather than mathematics)

well for one thing, u gotta realize that the world of computers is a lot of mathematics and that includes games. in other words, theres a strong relationship between impressive games and mathematics.

i think in time, the mathematic prowress that inherent in CELL will be shown, but as of now it hasn't yet (the recent HAVOK 4.5 engine shows a huge leap over 3 core desktop processors for the CELL !). thus, my suggestion for delaying getting a Xbox360 and PS3 for now and look in the long term.

Metalmurphy's suggestion sounds good tho

[Aided Onslaught]

Yeah, if you can get a Wii, good lord, I've been trying for so long. I bought zelda in advance because it was only 34 bucks, but I fear when I finally get a Wii the price would have dropped, haha.

[Typhoon 01]

As the Wii has proven you dont need HD and fancy graphics to get a user base, just make your games fun for christ sake, that is the most important thing. I am getting a PS3 but only because i know that most games that are released on the 360 that i would like to play (read FPS) will eventually make their way to the PC so i am not loosing on anything and since i didn't get a PS2 i would love to play all those RPG's like Xenosaga, Star Ocean 3, Final Fantasy XII, etc, etc...

SO as i said before it is all in the taste, you have to chose a console based on the type of games you like to play, and in that department they couldn't be further away.

[Exodus]

I'd wait and see what games are coming out for PS3 before making a decision, but right now, X360 is better by far.

[Cid Highwind]

Originally Posted by D.D.

if you say so...

as an engineering student tho, im not keen on seeing the merits of technology such as the CELL get undersold. and we both know that my response cud have been much longer on the merits of CELL

Hehe very true dude, you could rant on almost longer than I can about Dreamcast and Shenmue

well for one thing, u gotta realize that the world of computers is a lot of mathematics and that includes games. in other words, theres a strong relationship between impressive games and mathematics.

i think in time, the mathematic prowress that inherent in CELL will be shown, but as of now it hasn't yet (the recent HAVOK 4.5 engine shows a huge leap over 3 core desktop processors for the CELL !). thus, my suggestion for delaying getting a Xbox360 and PS3 for now and look in the long term.

Sure, I know that. But remember the PS2 could do 1232u84739824 megaflops whereas the DC could do 7, but that doesn't mean the PS2 was beating the DC in every possible way. Like I said in my previous post, it's nice to see your console can draw a lot of polygons, but when you can't create a decent texture the total picture still won't be impressive, which is the exact reason why very few PS2 games impress me, because most of them look like pré Y2k games.

And as long as games will not fully make use of cell, they will not be able to look any better than X360 games. And not every company has got the coding skills, budget and time available for a game like developers such as Kojima, Square and Polyphony Digital.

[Metalmurphy]

I would like to see the Dreamcast do God of War

And Its not like the differences between the 360 and PS3 games are huge Cid. They're really small things, and do remember, most of the games where the 360 is better are Activision games, and they don't run at full 720p on the 360 for a reason

[Hackers89cool]

I would like to see PSone running God of war too.....hahaha

can ???

[Cid Highwind]

Originally Posted by Metalmurphy

I would like to see the Dreamcast do God of War

Just like how I would like to see the PS2 run Shenmue, Sonic Adventure 2 or Metropolis Street racer Or another full budget game that would have been released if the DC had lived for another 4 years. Under Defeat is a nice testament showing some very impressive smoke effects I would have never dreamt of seeing on the DC, and that's a 'mere' arcade game. Imagine what would have been possible if Yu Suziki had the chance to create his Shenmue 3 for the Dreamcast if he would have had the time till 2005. It took a couple of years for PS2 games to start look impressive as well. Dreamcast only saw a handful of third gen games.

Anyway, all three games named above are titles who rely on detailed textures, simply to point out a console has its strong and weak points

And Its not like the differences between the 360 and PS3 games are huge Cid. They're really small things, and do remember, most of the games where the 360 is better are Activision games, and they don't run at full 720p on the 360 for a reason

From what I've seen in the screenies the 360 shots still look better, despite the lower resolution you hinted at. But I think think you're right and that with this generation

[Paratech]

Bah! All I care about is which system has the most games I want to play!
Between the Playstation 2, Gamecube, and XBOX, I have more Playstation 2 games than the XBOX or Gamecube, and the Playstation 2 doesn't win on specs, it just has more games. That doesn't mean I don't like any XBOX or GameCube games, or that I don't think both the XBOX and the Gamecube have some superior games, but for quantity of games, the PS2 can't be beat.

I'm guessing I'd find the Wii more fun than either the Playstation 3 or the XBOX 360, but that's my opinion, and others may disagree, although there seem to be many gamers who enjoy the Wii, and it has nothing to do with specs...

Heck, I'd like a faster computer, but in some ways I have more fun with my 900mhz PC than some people do with a 4ghz PC, it isn't about having power, it's what you do with what you possess...

If people wanna quote specs and technical information, they can be my guest, but I'm going to play games! That's why I own consoles, not to have a pissing contest on who has the most powerful system!