Who else is sick of Mario?

[StewieG]

Super Mario was the first game I ever played, and up until N64, Mario was a good series. Super Mario 64, though overrated and no where near as good as BK, was an incredible game, SMB was incredible, as were Two and Three. World, Yoshi's Island, they were all some of the greatest games ever. Even now, Sunshine, New (from what I've heard...), Yoshi's Island 2 (also never played it, but...), even the racing games.

But I'm sick of one good Mario games and then a bunch of lame sports games. Is Nintendo really incapable of making two good Mario platform games for a system? I love the Kart series, the platform series, the 64 DS port (different then most, because of drawing and minigames), everything but the sports ones. Which really bites ass for me, because those are the only games Mario is ever in anymore. Seriously, though, some of the stuff in the Mario series is possible, but, really, a plummer playing basketball? Really?

Who else agrees with me?

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[Samor]

so, it's a good series, but not anymore, allthough it is, except for the sports games, because a plumber playing basketball is weirder than a plumber walking around in a fantasy world?

...nope, don't follow, sorry =P

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[Cid Highwind]

Mario 64 was one helluva good game. The world was amazing and there were so many things to do. Haven't played any newer games though.

Btw, what about the new Mario Bros game which was released some time ago on the DS, I heard it was really good, except a bit too short. Samor?

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[Samor]

yes, it's a bit short,
a bit easy (like any mario, actually),
level designs are well thought out and everything is really polished,
in fact, it's probably a really good game, nothing's really wrong with it.

...but it has no soul.

Yeah, that's much more a feeling than something I could easily explain (allthough I could try, I tried on my blog). And maybe it's just me.....
It's like they used a machine, entered statistical data and generated the "perfect" game, however, there's no love.

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[industrian]

For this post I will be using the patent-pending "Automated Response to Fanboy Flames" system. Now onto the message itself:

I think that what you're describing is basically reflecting on the lack of creativity of Nintendo's first party developers. What are Nintendo's major franchises: Mario (and all the BS that entails), Zelda, Donkey Kong, Starfox, Metroid...

Automated Response to Fanboy Flame #1: There may be more, but the franchises I listed above are Nintendo's primary unit shifters, so don't be pedantic and list crap just to "get one over industrian."

With the last generation I could just see some Nintendo exec saying "we need new ideas" and then getting the reply "lets make a Mario fighting game and a Mario sports game! And give Luigi his own game as well! Hell, give Tingle a game while you're at it." And with the Wii, the reply is simply "let's just sell all the old games again! And don't worry about wasting time creating new franchises or ideas, we've got a new controller - that'll keep the masses happy."

Automated Response to Fanboy Flame #2: As the average Nintendo fanboy has a very limited vocabulary that basically revolves around the mantra "gameplay over graphics" and denouncing anyone with an opposing by calling them a Sony/MS fanboy ... Don't call me a Sony fanboy. I own as many Nintendo consoles as I do Sony ones.

[Cid Highwind]

Doesn't make you anything less of a Sony fanboy

I really agree with your points though. It's time Nintendo starts thinking of some new franchises, something which preferably stands completely on its own. Ever since the N64 era Nintendo has been making more and more games which involve all the characters they have.

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Originally Posted by Cid Highwind

Doesn't make you anything less of a Sony fanboy

The second-last console i bought was a Dreamcast, I think my Sony-fanboy-ghetto-pass was revoked with that purchase.

Originally Posted by Cid Highwind

I really agree with your points though. It's time Nintendo starts thinking of some new franchises, something which preferably stands completely on its own. Ever since the N64 era Nintendo has been making more and more games which involve all the characters they have.

Nintendo generally relies on two types of games: first party titles that contain the usual suspects (that, don't get me wrong, can have stellar gameplay) and multiplatform shovelware. There is a third category of games is unreliable, and that category is awesome games that get totally ignored because the developer chose a Nintendo console over the PS1/2 (Eternal Darkness and Body Harvest spring instantly to mind.) Capcom realised their mistake pretty damn quickly.

I think at this stage of the Wii's lifecycle it's far too early to say if Nintendo's past "performance" (most importantly, their reliance on those two types of games) will hinder it's possibility of dethroning Sony. But time will tell.

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[Exodus]

I haven't played any Mario other than the first one on NES and MarioKart 64. So, while I'm not sick of Mario, I do still wonder where they got the idea for a fat plumber and equally don't like the idea.

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[Samor]

I've thought about it for a bit, and perhaps (part of) my feelings about new SMB might come from the fact that the game is essentially a step backwards.

Mario games have traditionally been quite different from each other, I think that kept them fresh. Furthermore, the sequels were usually a step up from the predecessors (mario 64 was not, but it was 3d, so that worked at the time, and it's a good game anyway).

It started with a simple game called Mario Bros.
Then there was Super Mario Bros, completely different, and quite huge for its time.
In Japan they milked that game more, but, in the West they picked a different game and released it as SMB2 (in retrospect this was probably a brilliant idea).
Then there was SMB3, which had huge explorable worlds unseen in other games.
Super Mario World continued quite a bit in the tradition of SMB3, but it was on a new platform, with superior graphics, and an awesome game once again.
Meanwhile, on the gameboy, because the Super Mario Land games were developed by a different team, they were new and fresh as well. Never played the sequels with Wario as much, so I can't comment on them (except that the GBA one was really cool).
Mario Allstars wasn't new, but it was cool enough to keep people interested and a very nice graphical update... besides, it had a previously unreleased (in the West) title.
Super Mario World 2 (Yoshi's Island) again was entirely different.
After that, there was Mario 64. Once again, fresh ideas.

After that they rehashed a lot on the GBA, same old games so they were good, probably =P
..too bad the GBA never had its own proper Mario game.

Never played Sunshine. Can't comment on it.

So, then there was the DS, first with Super Mario 64 DS, which was very experimental (beta) with the controls and the game only gets a bit enjoyable after you've gone through the masochistic experience that is freeing Mario by playing with the incredibly bad controlling Yoshi.

...and then the DS finally got a new Mario game.

new. It's called NEW Super Mario Bros.
...they were afraid people would notice it's actually the same old, so they screamed NEW! so that you'd believe it actually was. Hey, it worked.
And no, it's not new... it uses level designs awfully familiar to the old Mario's, and there's just less of everything compared to SMB3 and SMW, except for the addition of the triple jump from Mario 64, which entirely doesn't work in a 2D game.

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[Paratech]

I didn't like Mario *Waterworld* Sunshine, but I do like Mario 64 and the previous Mario games. I'm unsure if the next Mario game will be good or not, but I am suprised a Mario game wasn't included in the Wii's lineup, didn't it hurt the gamecube? Noone wanted Luigi's Mansion, even though I like it better than Mario Sunshine.

I'm unsure if a "Good" Mario game would sway me into buying a Wii, I remember when WalMart had trouble selling a GameCube with Mario Sunshine for $129, whereas a GameCube with Zelda: WW/OoT and the Japanese add on was selling like crazy for $150 *I bought mine for that price*...It was a Wal Mart exclusive...

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Originally Posted by StewieG

Super Mario was the first game I ever played, and up until N64, Mario was a good series. Super Mario 64, though overrated and no where near as good as BK, was an incredible game, SMB was incredible, as were Two and Three. World, Yoshi's Island, they were all some of the greatest games ever. Even now, Sunshine, New (from what I've heard...), Yoshi's Island 2 (also never played it, but...), even the racing games.

But I'm sick of one good Mario games and then a bunch of lame sports games. Is Nintendo really incapable of making two good Mario platform games for a system? I love the Kart series, the platform series, the 64 DS port (different then most, because of drawing and minigames), everything but the sports ones. Which really bites ass for me, because those are the only games Mario is ever in anymore. Seriously, though, some of the stuff in the Mario series is possible, but, really, a plummer playing basketball? Really?

Who else agrees with me?

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[Cid Highwind]

Originally Posted by Exodus

I haven't played any Mario other than the first one on NES and MarioKart 64. So, while I'm not sick of Mario, I do still wonder where they got the idea for a fat plumber and equally don't like the idea.

Shrooms

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[Samor]

Originally Posted by Cid Highwind

Shrooms

you just explained/ruined the childhoods of millions of retrogamers
I mean, they really believed William S. Sessions, you know....

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[Sain]

Yes there may be too many Mario <something here> games, but most games are fun, or at least make you think they are fun and play . The only thing I don't like so much is the Mario Party n , it's mostly the same mini-games but iit's the same case as DDR.

Anyway of course Nintendo will keep releasing games under Mario,Metroid, Zelda names, it's what works, or you can ask Square and Capcom about it (Megaman <what?> ) and I'm not saying it's wrong or boring but of course you will take the route that works best, when you are sure and have enough resources to try a new way you will try it, and if it works you will keep it.

BTW Stewie are you trying to start a flame war or something? First the FFVII thread now this one? What's next? Zelda or Halo?

[industrian]

Originally Posted by Samor

I mean, they really believed William S. Sessions, you know....

You just brought back some memories of playing Mercs every Saturday at Kelso Swimming Pool in 1992 with that now-unfortunatly-esoteric reference.

[Exodus]

Originally Posted by Cid Highwind

Shrooms

I guess game designers are very much like musicians: all the best stuff come from drugs of some sort.

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[StewieG]

Originally Posted by Sain

Yes there may be too many Mario <something here> games, but most games are fun, or at least make you think they are fun and play . The only thing I don't like so much is the Mario Party n , it's mostly the same mini-games but iit's the same case as DDR.

Anyway of course Nintendo will keep releasing games under Mario,Metroid, Zelda names, it's what works, or you can ask Square and Capcom about it (Megaman <what?> ) and I'm not saying it's wrong or boring but of course you will take the route that works best, when you are sure and have enough resources to try a new way you will try it, and if it works you will keep it.

BTW Stewie are you trying to start a flame war or something? First the FFVII thread now this one? What's next? Zelda or Halo?

No, I'm not trying to start a flame war, I'm pointing out a fact, Shiguru Miyamoto has gotten lazy with the creation of Mario games since the first sports one on N64.

Also, you made no sence in that post.

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[JJXB]

the new mario games don't look appealing at all. but with every game series your going to get some sort of repetition after a while since new idea's are going to run dry and they don't have the same magic either (if i was going to play mario galaxy on wii, it wouldn't give the same feeling as playing SMB/SMW/Mario 64 for the first time)

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[Paratech]

I think it'd be hard to judge Mario Galaxy until it is released, at least as a playable demo at a Wii Kiosk.

It might be very innovative, just because Mario Sunshine wasn't very innovative doesn't mean Galaxy won't be innovative.

I'll wait until I get to try out the game.

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[Xeven]

Nothing against the newer Mario'sss but, I've been playing them since I was a little kid so much so that I've gotten sick of them. I can still bear with Mario Kart though, and maybe Mario 1 from NES

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