Microsoft Ditching Backwards Compatibility

[Metalmurphy]

This is something i simply can't understand... like people weren't complaining already about the small list and lots of bugs/problems with Xbox1 games they now decided to drop it....

Was this just a scheme to get some more buyers in the launch date? Since they know PS3 would have it they just said they're gonna have it too, a crappy backwards compatibility system and list, and few months later DROP IT...

I really can't understand how MS is thinking... And they're suposed to care about they're costumers?

http://xbox360.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3151161

[industrian]

I think you meant to link here.

Originally Posted by Above article

"Nobody is concerned anymore about backwards compatibility. We under promised and over delivered on that. It's a very complicated thing... very complex work. I'm just stunned that we have hundreds of games that are backwards compatible," he said. "more are coming, but at some point, you just go, there's enough, let's move on, or people aren't as worried about a game being backwards compatible - and I like to think we've upheld our end of the bargain in making at least two or maybe three hundred games backwards compat."

Now all we need is a X-Box emulator for the PS3.

[Metalmurphy]

Oops damn clipboard on my comp is messed up

What its even HARDER for me to understand is fanboys defending this atituted on the comments

[ChankastRules]

Well, I think this is a really stupid move. I guess it was more complicated than they thought.

[FrostyTheSnowman]

Sad as it is, I think we all saw it coming. I mean, backwards-compatibility is great and all, but we honestly shouldn't expect it for every new system that comes out. I guarantee it is a nightmare to implement into a new game system in the first place, but honestly, WHO is going to be playing Halo 1 on the XBOX 720 anyway? I think the game companies should just focus on making the most out of their new systems, and forget about backwards-compatibility.

[D.D.]

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[industrian]

Originally Posted by Metalmurphy

What its even HARDER for me to understand is fanboys defending this atituted on the comments

They're fanboys. It's what they do. Halo 3 could be announced as a PS3 exclusive tomorrow and they'd say it was "no great loss."

*preempts some idiot saying "BUT TAHT WOOD NEVAR HAPPEN!!!111"*

It was an example.

Originally Posted by FrostyTheSnowman

WHO is going to be playing Halo 1 on the XBOX 720 anyway?

The last time I checked, there's still plenty of people playing NES and SNES games on their PCs.

[Metalmurphy]

Well FrostyTheSnowman, one of the first things im gonna do is replay FFX and FFXII at 1080p

And if they do more stuff like texture filtering or something else i might even replay FFVII and FFVIII

I mean, just thing about God of War and God of War II, like the game wasnt awsome enough, u'll be able to play it at 1080p...

Backwards compatibility is a BIG factor on a console.

[ChankastRules]

Sad as it is, I think we all saw it coming. I mean, backwards-compatibility is great and all, but we honestly shouldn't expect it for every new system that comes out. I guarantee it is a nightmare to implement into a new game system in the first place, but honestly, WHO is going to be playing Halo 1 on the XBOX 720 anyway? I think the game companies should just focus on making the most out of their new systems, and forget about backwards-compatibility.

Well, I think this has been the largest problem in the PC industry for a long time, if the PC's changed architecture and completely dropped x86 we would have had much faster PCs today. But there are just too many great old programs and games that wouldn't work.

On the other hand I am old fashioned I think old games are superior to the new ones, so I love my PC for the very reason that I can play all old games on it. ( Including all the older console games )

[FrostyTheSnowman]

Emulation is different. Emulation is for enthusiasts. The public at large doesn't give a damn about most older PSX games. Don't get me wrong, I love them, I just don't see the majority of the public playing ff6 on their PS3.

Metalmurphy: I wasn't bashing backwards-compatibility, I think it is great. I mean, I am playing Lunar 2: Eternal Blue at home on my 52" bigscreen with my PS2 right now. But at some point, we all should understand that it probably isn't worth implementing to the game companies.

[D.D.]

Originally Posted by industrian

The last time I checked, there's still plenty of people playing NES and SNES games on their PCs.

and don't forget the people playing halo1 and halo2 on xboxlive on their 360s right now despite the massive slowdowns through its terrible "backwards compatibility".

[industrian]

Originally Posted by FrostyTheSnowman

I just don't see the majority of the public playing ff6 on their PS3.

Neither do I. I see them playing it on the Wii.

[D.D.]

to me, backwards compatibility is not as much as being a feature that needs to be aimed at the "vast majority". its like a service, in my opinion, like customer service, except much more direct and more likely to be useful (...well, with the x360 defects we wouldn't know about this one ). imagine selling a machine...and then cutting out customer service several months after launch because "the vast majority will not be using it".

on second thought maybe thats where the money for developing backwards compatibility went...the extra 360s they had to ship out due to defects !

[The Greatest]

I didnt really have any problems with it, as all of my games and my friends' games [Sans some crappy ones], where all fully playable. The only thing that bothered me was that installing the patches were sometimes really difficult and a pain in the arse.

Peter Moore also gave his monthly Xbox Division update... a test analysis is available Here

[TheCloudOfSmoke]

Microsoft cutting out backwards compatibility is more of a reason to emulate the XBOX. They shouldn't be mad when XBOX emulators start popping up.

[Coolsvilleman]

they should have pulled a ps2 and made a seperate chip for back compat.

[Master Chief]

Originally Posted by D.D.

and don't forget the people playing halo1 and halo2 on xboxlive on their 360s right now despite the massive slowdowns through its terrible "backwards compatibility".

Halo 1 can't be played on Xbox Live

Other than that, there are massive slow downs I agree, but Microsoft didn't say that they'd stop improving the games already on the list did they? We all know for a fact that emulation isn't perfect anyhow. Cut them some slack. Who ever said Sony was making perfect backwards compatibility?

[The Greatest]

Originally Posted by Coolsvilleman

they should have pulled a ps2 and made a seperate chip for back compat.

They didn't put any one chip in, it's just they put the PSX hardware inside it. And when the laser detects a PSX CD, it reads through that hardware.

And plus, can you imagine the cost of the Xbox 360 is they put the Xbox inside of it? Good lord.

Halo 1 can't be played on Xbox Live

Not neccassarily, a simple LAN program that is used by thousands around the world allows you to play any game with system link over the internet, pretty much system linking around the world-wide web. I used it when i first got my xbox on Halo and Crimson skies, and it actually doesn't lag, unlike some XBL games.

[Master Chief]

Originally Posted by The Greatest

Not neccassarily, a simple LAN program that is used by thousands around the world allows you to play any game with system link over the internet, pretty much system linking around the world-wide web. I used it when i first got my xbox on Halo and Crimson skies, and it actually doesn't lag, unlike some XBL games.

I know about them, they are called tunnel programs. I used to use them alot. But it still isn't Xbox Live.

[D.D.]

Originally Posted by Master Chief

Halo 1 can't be played on Xbox Live

i know that because i have an xbox as well. the xboxlive part was referring to halo2, which suffers massive slowdowns when you play it on x360 on xboxlive.

Originally Posted by Master Chief

Other than that, there are massive slow downs I agree, but Microsoft didn't say that they'd stop improving the games already on the list did they? We all know for a fact that emulation isn't perfect anyhow. Cut them some slack. Who ever said Sony was making perfect backwards compatibility?

1.) they don't have to improve it, they just should at least make it work the way it does on xbox

2.) emulation isn't perfect, but emulators have shown that they can in fact approach it. for instance, EPSXE. 360 doesn't come close in halo2. not to mention in the latest BC patch, i think my friend said Splinter Cell 3 actually stopped working. the difference of course is EPSXE is FREE while you technically paid for BC on the 360.

3.) Sony doesn't have to be perfect, but their BC on the PS2 with PS1 titles was quite satisfactory we can with good reason expect them to know what their doing more so than MS in this regard.

4.) just because the xbox fans have been forced into lowering their expectations doesnt mean everyone else has to "cut them some slack". especially not on these forums, where we are emuforums