World War 2 games....r they right????

[JediRanger]

With all the medal of honor games out there plus many more like call of duty etc, do u think they should make games based on real war, should it be used to make money and enterainment. I know alot of people will say what about the movies, well some movies teach us and make us think like saving private ryan and thin red line, but movies like pearl harbour which i think was based just to entertain maybe shouldn't be made, would it be ok to have a 9/11 video game?

[refraction]

i wouldnt see much of a problem with it now as long as it is tasteful, altho i dont know what you could do, unless you played a screaming civilian trying to run out of the twin towers, but that wouldnt be very tasteful.

the only thing you could do is have that at the start of a game which simulated the war in iraq n you showed that at the beginning as the trigger point for it.

as for WW II games, like films they follow the essential part of the storyline and change bits to make it more interesting, thats why it is "based on" the events in WW II and not "telling the story of".

but ive seen a few interviews when they were previewing these games and the companies get war veterans in to tell them what it was like and make sure to pay attention to detail, they also get all the armour and guns etc for mapping the graphics from

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[industrian]

Originally Posted by JediRanger

With all the medal of honor games out there plus many more like call of duty etc, do u think they should make games based on real war

If you make a game that possesses both enjoyability and education, then I see no reason why not. Call of Duty = more fun than a history class. Make it wrong, and I have a problem with that.

Originally Posted by JediRanger

I know alot of people will say what about the movies, well some movies teach us and make us think like saving private ryan and thin red line, but movies like pearl harbour which i think was based just to entertain maybe shouldn't be made

Saving Private Ryan was glorified American junk. If you want to see a proper war film, go watch Stalingrad.

Originally Posted by JediRanger

would it be ok to have a 9/11 video game?

No.

Originally Posted by refraction

but ive seen a few interviews when they were previewing these games and the companies get war veterans in to tell them what it was like and make sure to pay attention to detail, they also get all the armour and guns etc for mapping the graphics from

That's one of the things I like about Call of Duty.

[JediRanger]

But u r having fun playing a game based on true events, see my point. People aren't playing these games to learn or have more respect they want to have fun, war based on real events shouldn't be fun, because that just loses its purpose. As for the vets they r all old guys they don't know much about video gams in the first place, but i bet if they saw their grand kids playing a game based on a war they were in with the kid having fun with it i bet they would change their minds?

[industrian]

Originally Posted by JediRanger

As for the vets they r all old guys they don't know much about video gams in the first place, but i bet if they saw their grand kids playing a game based on a war they were in with the kid having fun with it i bet they would change their minds?

I'd be more offended by my grandkids not giving a f**k about WW2 and the sacrifices that generation made. If they're playing an accurate WW2 game, then they are learning about what happened in WW2. Obviously it's not going to teach you about the Geopolitical Implications of the Yalta Conference, but you're still learning something from a game that's based on facts from a historical event.

And I know, most people don't play games to learn. Especially with WW2 games. But if you walk away from the Russian levels in Call of Duty and say "Damn, Ivan got it bad!" then you have learned something.

[Cid Highwind]

There's too many of em, that's my problem

Also I don't see anything wrong with a 9/11 game, within a couple of years maybe. If you don't like it, don't play it, you can't change history anyway. The only thing you can do is not to abuse the facts and create some sick n twisted game out of it while knowing it will be very offensive.

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[Vanit]

Originally Posted by Cid Highwind

Also I don't see anything wrong with a 9/11 game, within a couple of years maybe. If you don't like it, don't play it, you can't change history anyway.

The company that makes that game would see **** hit the fan. It would be all over the news and protests would be made for how heartless making a game about something like that is.

A couple of years? No. Maybe in the next generation as it was for WW2 games. (I know that games weren't around then, but it really is for the best to have those affected outside the target audience - old people).

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[deamonhunter]

well to be honest these games r entertainment only (they get boring if there is to many of them together in on month )but they r fun to play
and put u into old school action but lets face it nobody did learn anything from them i mean like there is one person who doest know who won WW2
and i feal like they are all about yay go american(allied or whatever) and f*** u nazi every body knows that but still call of duty was a great game so was MOH so was return to castle wolfenstein (although i hate old weapon to much reloed time and too little fire power but i guess things were like that back then ohh i just learnt something old days old weapons)

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[JediRanger]

Oooh come on now, u don't learn jack in these games, so don't even try it u aren't playing these games to learn and respect u r playing because its fun, and u think that old vets would be happy with their grandkids playing it, please it would be an insult to most because their kids don't give a f**k they just want to get to the next level! I wouln't see a problem with a simulator where u actually learn something other then point n shoot.

[Kirby]

history and video games don't mix

just look at what happened with the John F Kennedy assassination simulator

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[Radix865]

Originally Posted by Kirby

history and video games don't mix

just look at what happened with the John F Kennedy assassination simulator

Yes they do...

Whats that? I've never heard of it...

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[industrian]

JediRanger: I'm not even going to try to respond to that since I can't understand your disembowlment of the English language. My advice is to take a deep breath, realise that this is not a chat room and your all important response doesn't need to be typed within two seconds.

Originally Posted by Radix865

Whats that? I've never heard of it...

JFK Reloaded.

It was made in Scotland.

[JediRanger]

whatever, i made my point people play these games for enjoyment and nothing else.....and oh industrian grow up!!!

[industrian]

Originally Posted by JediRanger

whatever, i made my point people play these games for enjoyment and nothing else.....and oh industrian grow up!!!

I thought with me being almost 22, studying an honours in Internet Software Development and all that I was perfectly mature.

I'd say the exact same to you (as it's obvious you need a few English classes) but I'm not going to descent to that kind of childish act. All I'm doing is pointing out the rules you obviously didn't read.

Originally Posted by Forum rules

Please try to post in English, as that way more people will understand...

I'm not SAYING that people play World War 2 games to learn. That'd be stupid. What I'm saying is that they may LEARN SOMETHING ABOUT OUR HISTORY from playing World War 2 games. I for one read up about the sacrifices of the Russian people after "witnessing" some of the things they went through in Call of Duty. The whole point about that game was to make the point absolutely clear that people, just like me and you, went through that sort of s**t just sixty years ago and that it should never happen again. Obviously the empty-brainers will just treat it like an FPS though, but hey, gas stations need more workers.

[JediRanger]

Alot of people in this forum r from all over the and their first language isn't english and for you to insult me or anyone else because of it IS a childish act.
But I do see your point which is a good one, but my point is these games shouldn't over do it, and remember it was an actual horrible war.

[industrian]

Originally Posted by JediRanger

Alot of people in this forum r from all over the and their first language isn't english and for you to insult me or anyone else because of it IS a childish act.

I'm not insulting anyone. You're the one taking offence as I simply pointed out your lack of "internetiquette."

Ich verstehe that others may not speak English as a first language. My first language is a watered down, English-friendly, bastardised version of Lowland Scots. You wouldn't understand me, so a deh type wi' it, dae ye ken whit a mean?

And besides, it's an English language forum.

I don't know you. I never knew that English was not your first language. You're Canadian. The majority of Canadians speak English as a first language. I took a guess. You were communicating with us using, as I actively described, as a "disembowlment" of the English language. You wouldn't write reports, assigments, essays, etc with that kind of language, so why use it here.

Originally Posted by JediRanger

But I do see your point which is a good one, but my point is these games shouldn't over do it, and remember it was an actual horrible war.

What else? Maybe you'd rather have a Hillary Clinton and Tipper Gore friendly version of the war which went as follows: everyone went on vacation and tens of millions of people just vanished?

And believe me, there is no f**king way you can "over do" the level of violence and destruction of the Second World War. Why don't you ask my Dutch grandfather, who when he escaped from a labour camp he was around 4 stone.

We'll never know just the sheer level of it, and that memory will wither and fade when guys like Ivan, Tommy, Fritz and my grandfather die. All I'm saying is this: keep the memory alive through making it as realistic as possible. Show the sheer depth that humanity sunk to over those six years. And show the flipside, the sheer determination of the men and women (Russians especially) who came back from the brink and saved the world.

And most importantly, make it a good game.

[Coolsvilleman]

I think it's a good idea to show people part of what happened during the war. Better the people shoot pixel shaded models then go off to fight real wars. Seriously, the games are not nearly as realistic as real war, and its a good thing. Spawn, shoot, kill, spawn/load shoot, kill, rinse and repeat is not realistic. Although with call of duty 2 the games are getting more realistic they don't really show the brutality of the war. The innocent bodies lying around, the horrible smells and amputated people. In game the person just dies "without blood" and then eithier vanishes or becomes an unrealistic ragdoll. No one enjoys real war and it's probably a good thing these games don't show it.

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[JediRanger]

I meant they shouldn't over do it as making it like you said "glorified american junk"
By the way I took offence because I was insulted, so my advice if you can't read what someone posted explain in a more proper manner.

[industrian]

Originally Posted by JediRanger

I meant they shouldn't over do it as making it like you said "glorified american junk"

The first ten-or-so minutes of Saving Private Ryan were as accurate as you can get. Everything after that is just sentimental "American soldiers are heroes" crap.

[JediRanger]

Very true, but wasn't as bad as pearl harbour. Have they discontinued the medal of honor games?