Why did Capcom trash CPS3 so fast ?

cloudvii · July 24th, 2004

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**Kane** · July 24th, 2004

Because it wasn't great. The Naomi h/w was better and avaliable at the same time. Just look at SF3 on the DC, and that's a crippled Naomi. The CPS2 H/W was kept for so long because until it's demise there wasn't really anything that could handle 2d as well as it, and it had Q-Sound.

cloudvii · July 24th, 2004

2 years for a hardware means they made a bad setup for the project . But still cps3 showed cooler animation than naomi (SF3IIIstrike > CVS2)

ShinjiGohan · July 25th, 2004

I've heard that CPS3 boards are extremely fragile. And will short out some easily that they may have figured that it was more trouble than its worth.

July 25th, 2004

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Originally Posted by cloudvii

2 years for a hardware means they made a bad setup for the project . But still cps3 showed cooler animation than naomi (SF3IIIstrike > CVS2)

uh. sf 3rd strike was ported to dc (=nearly the same as naomi), to my knowledge with all the animation in there.
the fact cvs2 doesnt have as much is lazyness on capcom's part

cloudvii · July 25th, 2004

what i meant is that Cps3 could handle more power , but Capcom didn't try , they've just made another hardware !!! Strange thinking if u ask me

**Kane** · July 25th, 2004

They made another H/W? I thought they just moved to other people's arcade H/W.

cloudvii · July 26th, 2004

what i heard is that they made Naomi with help of Sega . That's why Capcom made all the titles for this h/w (may be i'm wrong too)

**Kane** · July 26th, 2004

Uh..... you're quite wrong there. Naomi predates CPS3 by a couple of years IIRC.

l3illyl3ob · July 26th, 2004

Capcom had no part in the development of naomi, i think cloudvii has the wrong idea here.

cloudvii · July 27th, 2004

>>>Uh..... you're quite wrong there. Naomi predates CPS3 by a couple of years IIRC.
Well , the last game for CPS3 to my knowledge was SF3 3rd strike on 1999 . while CVS1 was released on 2000 for Naomi . So where are the 2 years ?
>>>Capcom had no part in the development of naomi, i think cloudvii has the wrong idea here.
yes i guess so , but i also said i'm not sure , i wasn't saying facts

July 27th, 2004

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Originally Posted by cloudvii

>>>Uh..... you're quite wrong there. Naomi predates CPS3 by a couple of years IIRC.
Well , the last game for CPS3 to my knowledge was SF3 3rd strike on 1999 . while CVS1 was released on 2000 for Naomi . So where are the 2 years ?

naomi is sega hardware; the first naomi arcade games date from 1998.
the first cps-3 games date from 1999 (third strike was 2000)

(source: www.system16.com)

**Kane** · July 27th, 2004

My apologies, you are right. The CPS3 predates Naomi by one year. However Capcom did not have any part in the development of the H/W. NEC played the biggest role in that, Yamaha produced the sound chip, Hitachi the CPU and MS the OS (for the DC). Capcom in fact dropped the CPS 3 in favour of the CPS 2 for a couple of games. Obviously it was too expensive for a really not that great graphical improvement (IMO)

July 27th, 2004

actually, ever since there was 320x240 16-bit color the improvements in 2D hardware/software have been marginal, graphically.

ShinjiGohan · July 29th, 2004

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Originally Posted by Kane-Sama

My apologies, you are right. The CPS3 predates Naomi by one year. However Capcom did not have any part in the development of the H/W. NEC played the biggest role in that, Yamaha produced the sound chip, Hitachi the CPU and MS the OS (for the DC). Capcom in fact dropped the CPS 3 in favour of the CPS 2 for a couple of games. Obviously it was too expensive for a really not that great graphical improvement (IMO)

Depends on how much work they put in the game. SF3 was a huge graphic improvement over the SF games on the CPS2 board. Haven't played Warzard or Jojo so I can't say how much improved they were over the CPS2 games that capcom made (if any at all).

cloudvii · July 29th, 2004

Jojo's bizarre was nice , i played it's version on DC , it surpasses SFA3 anytime

. But in terms of gfx only , as the gameplay wasn't my best part

Kazuya Mishima · July 29th, 2004

I play some games with qsound but i can't hear what is all about. Whats the difference with all the different sound chips incorporated in other arcade boards?

cloudvii · July 29th, 2004

>>>I play some games with qsound but i can't hear what is all about. Whats the difference with all the different sound chips incorporated in other arcade boards?

I kinda share ur opinion , as i didn't find qsound as incredible as they were referring to . but things are different when it comes to SFex games as Qsound there was near CD quality .

**Kane** · July 31st, 2004

QSound is impressive if you use Nebula with DS3D enabled

cloudvii · August 1st, 2004

but in a normal machine there is no ds3d , but really nebula makes qsound looks excellent and make u think that other sound chips are pathetic (like neogeo)

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July 24th, 2004	#2 (permalink)
Kane 邪魔ゎ指せない Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Gosport, England Posts: 26,255	Because it wasn't great. The Naomi h/w was better and avaliable at the same time. Just look at SF3 on the DC, and that's a crippled Naomi. The CPS2 H/W was kept for so long because until it's demise there wasn't really anything that could handle 2d as well as it, and it had Q-Sound. __________________ >Site Live< Pop over to my site for help with setting up PSX emulators. Help for the Final Fantasies and other RPGs avalaible Celes: (Desktop) Athlon 64 X2 4200+, 2Gb 400MHz DDR Ram, MSI K8N Platinum, GeForce 8800 GTS 320Mb, 500Gb RAID HDD, Vista Business Erika: (MCPC) Athlon XP 2400+, 1Gb 400MHz DDR Ram, geForce 6800 256Mb, 80Gb Hdd, XP 2005 MCE Kimiko: (Desktop 2) Athlon 64 3000+, 512Mb 400MHz DDR Ram, Asus K8V, geForce 6800 128Mb

July 24th, 2004	#3 (permalink)
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July 25th, 2004	#6 (permalink)
cloudvii Emunext fanboy Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Cairo , Egypt Posts: 4,243	what i meant is that Cps3 could handle more power , but Capcom didn't try , they've just made another hardware !!! Strange thinking if u ask me __________________ Fekra Online magazine Fekra Magazine Fekra Magazine readers Facebook group

July 25th, 2004	#7 (permalink)
Kane 邪魔ゎ指せない Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Gosport, England Posts: 26,255	They made another H/W? I thought they just moved to other people's arcade H/W. __________________ >Site Live< Pop over to my site for help with setting up PSX emulators. Help for the Final Fantasies and other RPGs avalaible Celes: (Desktop) Athlon 64 X2 4200+, 2Gb 400MHz DDR Ram, MSI K8N Platinum, GeForce 8800 GTS 320Mb, 500Gb RAID HDD, Vista Business Erika: (MCPC) Athlon XP 2400+, 1Gb 400MHz DDR Ram, geForce 6800 256Mb, 80Gb Hdd, XP 2005 MCE Kimiko: (Desktop 2) Athlon 64 3000+, 512Mb 400MHz DDR Ram, Asus K8V, geForce 6800 128Mb

July 26th, 2004	#8 (permalink)
cloudvii Emunext fanboy Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Cairo , Egypt Posts: 4,243	what i heard is that they made Naomi with help of Sega . That's why Capcom made all the titles for this h/w (may be i'm wrong too) __________________ Fekra Online magazine Fekra Magazine Fekra Magazine readers Facebook group

July 26th, 2004	#9 (permalink)
Kane 邪魔ゎ指せない Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Gosport, England Posts: 26,255	Uh..... you're quite wrong there. Naomi predates CPS3 by a couple of years IIRC. __________________ >Site Live< Pop over to my site for help with setting up PSX emulators. Help for the Final Fantasies and other RPGs avalaible Celes: (Desktop) Athlon 64 X2 4200+, 2Gb 400MHz DDR Ram, MSI K8N Platinum, GeForce 8800 GTS 320Mb, 500Gb RAID HDD, Vista Business Erika: (MCPC) Athlon XP 2400+, 1Gb 400MHz DDR Ram, geForce 6800 256Mb, 80Gb Hdd, XP 2005 MCE Kimiko: (Desktop 2) Athlon 64 3000+, 512Mb 400MHz DDR Ram, Asus K8V, geForce 6800 128Mb

July 26th, 2004	#10 (permalink)
l3illyl3ob Link to the Underworld Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Detroit Posts: 1,147	Capcom had no part in the development of naomi, i think cloudvii has the wrong idea here.

July 27th, 2004	#11 (permalink)
cloudvii Emunext fanboy Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Cairo , Egypt Posts: 4,243	>>>Uh..... you're quite wrong there. Naomi predates CPS3 by a couple of years IIRC. Well , the last game for CPS3 to my knowledge was SF3 3rd strike on 1999 . while CVS1 was released on 2000 for Naomi . So where are the 2 years ? >>>Capcom had no part in the development of naomi, i think cloudvii has the wrong idea here. yes i guess so , but i also said i'm not sure , i wasn't saying facts __________________ Fekra Online magazine Fekra Magazine Fekra Magazine readers Facebook group

July 27th, 2004	#13 (permalink)
Kane 邪魔ゎ指せない Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Gosport, England Posts: 26,255	My apologies, you are right. The CPS3 predates Naomi by one year. However Capcom did not have any part in the development of the H/W. NEC played the biggest role in that, Yamaha produced the sound chip, Hitachi the CPU and MS the OS (for the DC). Capcom in fact dropped the CPS 3 in favour of the CPS 2 for a couple of games. Obviously it was too expensive for a really not that great graphical improvement (IMO) __________________ >Site Live< Pop over to my site for help with setting up PSX emulators. Help for the Final Fantasies and other RPGs avalaible Celes: (Desktop) Athlon 64 X2 4200+, 2Gb 400MHz DDR Ram, MSI K8N Platinum, GeForce 8800 GTS 320Mb, 500Gb RAID HDD, Vista Business Erika: (MCPC) Athlon XP 2400+, 1Gb 400MHz DDR Ram, geForce 6800 256Mb, 80Gb Hdd, XP 2005 MCE Kimiko: (Desktop 2) Athlon 64 3000+, 512Mb 400MHz DDR Ram, Asus K8V, geForce 6800 128Mb

July 27th, 2004	#14 (permalink)
Samor Guest Posts: n/a	actually, ever since there was 320x240 16-bit color the improvements in 2D hardware/software have been marginal, graphically.

July 29th, 2004	#16 (permalink)
cloudvii Emunext fanboy Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Cairo , Egypt Posts: 4,243	Jojo's bizarre was nice , i played it's version on DC , it surpasses SFA3 anytime . But in terms of gfx only , as the gameplay wasn't my best part __________________ Fekra Online magazine Fekra Magazine Fekra Magazine readers Facebook group

July 29th, 2004	#17 (permalink)
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July 29th, 2004	#18 (permalink)
cloudvii Emunext fanboy Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Cairo , Egypt Posts: 4,243	>>>I play some games with qsound but i can't hear what is all about. Whats the difference with all the different sound chips incorporated in other arcade boards? I kinda share ur opinion , as i didn't find qsound as incredible as they were referring to . but things are different when it comes to SFex games as Qsound there was near CD quality . __________________ Fekra Online magazine Fekra Magazine Fekra Magazine readers Facebook group

July 31st, 2004	#19 (permalink)
Kane 邪魔ゎ指せない Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Gosport, England Posts: 26,255	QSound is impressive if you use Nebula with DS3D enabled __________________ >Site Live< Pop over to my site for help with setting up PSX emulators. Help for the Final Fantasies and other RPGs avalaible Celes: (Desktop) Athlon 64 X2 4200+, 2Gb 400MHz DDR Ram, MSI K8N Platinum, GeForce 8800 GTS 320Mb, 500Gb RAID HDD, Vista Business Erika: (MCPC) Athlon XP 2400+, 1Gb 400MHz DDR Ram, geForce 6800 256Mb, 80Gb Hdd, XP 2005 MCE Kimiko: (Desktop 2) Athlon 64 3000+, 512Mb 400MHz DDR Ram, Asus K8V, geForce 6800 128Mb

August 1st, 2004	#20 (permalink)
cloudvii Emunext fanboy Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Cairo , Egypt Posts: 4,243	but in a normal machine there is no ds3d , but really nebula makes qsound looks excellent and make u think that other sound chips are pathetic (like neogeo) __________________ Fekra Online magazine Fekra Magazine Fekra Magazine readers Facebook group

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