CS Source: CS improved or CS destroyed ?

ChaosBlade · July 6th, 2004

There have been alot of talk lately on the upcoming port of CS into the HL2 Source engine. Notably, it being more then just a switch of engines. One major question presented by cs team member cliffe, is whatever to keep the shield in the game or not. Other issues include addition of vehicles (very bad idea IMO), some anti-shield weapon in case it does stay (molotovs for example) or the awp delay.

Thought id ask around on people's opinions too.
Mine:

Shield -> Has to go. even if it was fixed, its just not fitting in a fast paced game like CS.
Vehicles -> Again, CS is too fast paced for stuff like tanks or so. Would completely ruin the game for me.
AWP delay -> well im not sure the 2sec blackscreen delay is the right choice to stop the awp from being too good even in the hand of an unskilled player, something has to be changed in it.

Thats all i can think of. Please post your thoughts

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Metalmurphy · July 6th, 2004

IMO i think the shield does deserv to go unless theres some kind of anti shield weapon, the vehicles how ever i dont think they really need to go, now that we have a new engine new maps could be way bigger then original ones and some vehicles (transport not attack ones) could bring some great tatic planning to the game!

About the AWP i think it should stay like it was in 1.5! I know its a powerfull weapon but for powerfull players, dont think an unskilled player can do much with it! He only kills couse the ppl dieing arent beeing smart!

Anyway its just my opinion!

P.S. - The shield is already implemented in CS Source so i doubt they will take it out now

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ChaosBlade · July 6th, 2004

If you didnt read my post right, the CS team is asking players all around whatever if to keep or remove the shield.

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Metalmurphy · July 6th, 2004

I did but numerous requests for 1.6 didnt do anything yet...

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ChaosBlade · July 6th, 2004

The shield was a planned addon for 1.6\CZ. Now that players have shown their lack of use for it, cliffe of the cs team asked whatever if to keep it or not. I think that shows their intention to remove it if most of the players dont want it.
Of course you can always keep it, fix it, and have the option to disable it on the server.

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Ghale0n · July 6th, 2004

shield has to go, it was a bad idea to begin with
awp should be as they were in cs 1.5

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Metalmurphy · July 6th, 2004

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChaosBlade

The shield was a planned addon for 1.6\CZ. Now that players have shown their lack of use for it, cliffe of the cs team asked whatever if to keep it or not. I think that shows their intention to remove it if most of the players dont want it.
Of course you can always keep it, fix it, and have the option to disable it on the server.

Actually the shield in CZ and the decission of making 1.6 compatible with CZ was the reason why the shield was added! It wasn't a CZ/1.6 planed addon!

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ChaosBlade · July 6th, 2004

CZ was in the works long before 1.6, and when they made 1.6 they knew the shield will be there too (as you remember CZ was developed by several teams, and i think gearbox was the one who made the shield idea).

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Zer0Soul · July 6th, 2004

Actually the shield idea, was made back during 7.2, that was the time vehicle implementation was highly talked about. "Jeepathon?". It was never implmented due to a large complaint roster on there forums. Once 1.0 was released in a large mass market. It became harder for small naysayers to control a group of 13 yr old acting children.

If you remember correctly CS was originally going to be a "Tatical Mod" back in betas. I think they have always wanted to secretly make it more in the style of a Rainbow six game, but could never due to fan response.

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Metalmurphy · July 6th, 2004

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChaosBlade

CZ was in the works long before 1.6, and when they made 1.6 they knew the shield will be there too (as you remember CZ was developed by several teams, and i think gearbox was the one who made the shield idea).

I know CZ was in the works long before 1.6 but that doesnt change the fact that the only reason why the shield is now in 1.6 is becouse 1.6 and CZ are gonna be fully compatible, thats right future updates are to make 1.6 more like CZ and in the future CZ players will be able to play with 1.6 players on the same server.

If this werent to happen you can be sure 1.6 would never be added the shield.

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ChaosBlade · July 6th, 2004

Zero: i think its good they didnt. while we have enough tactical games, i do strongly believe CS' gameplay is unique and should be kept that way.

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ka0s · July 6th, 2004

Take out shields. They're a game spoiler. People that are good at shielding can become practically invincible nce they pick one up.

Please no vehicles. At least not offensive ones. Transport vehicles might be ok, but I can still picture a lone CT in an APC running over the whole T team.

Awps have to be changed somehow, They are pretty deadly in a total noob's hands, and you have no chance in some maps, when the whole oppossing team is awping.

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ChaosBlade · July 6th, 2004

Exactly, good way of explaning it ka0s, my problem is always making ppl understand my opinion

I hate how in certain maps you have nothing to do against an awping team or even a single player, without any relation to his skill level. Now every idiot that was AWPing is crying because of the delay they added to it.

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Zer0Soul · July 6th, 2004

I do not know if anyone of you really remember, the apc in siege. That was always a disaster...

*sighs* I missed night siege, such a better map back then..

Oh well i quiet Cs awhile ago..

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ChaosBlade · July 6th, 2004

Well i have played jeepathon2k and similer maps .. its nice once a year as a fun map, but vehicles are introduced to every map .. its going to be really bad.

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"I couldn't protect anyone, And i couldn't defeat those who wounded us."
I LOST.

MrTeamWork · July 6th, 2004

I heard there will be no new maps with CS:S? If so, that's a joke for as long as we have been waiting for the next Counterstrike.

Shield must go.
AWP must be weakened.
No drivable units.

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**hushypushy** · July 6th, 2004

i think CS 1.5 was the last good version of CS. all the updates since steam have sent it downhill. remember all teh bug fixes? like flashbangs, the silencer tricks, reloading tricks...those were all fun tricks in the game and now the game is blah.

shield: lame, worthless, and not fun. turns games into a standoff.
vehicles: no place in a game like CS!
awp delay: i feel nice that i'm not getting pwned every round by 12iC3aZnb0i with an awp and a deagle...but on the other hand i wish that i could use an awp the way it's meant to be used.

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Metalmurphy · July 6th, 2004

Well 1 week after the relase you will have already +1000 maps to download MrTeamWork, don't think that will be the problem.

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ka0s · July 6th, 2004

In silencer tricks, you mean hitting secondary then switching weapons quickly??
Still works. It's ok for silencers, but that'd be gay for reloading. Unlimited ammo pretty much.
And I don't really know what changed between 1.5 and 1.6 with the AWP. Can someone explain to me plz?

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MrTeamWork · July 6th, 2004

Yea but 98% of those made in a week maps will suck. Also, good maps will need to become official maps to be really played everywhere. People know the current maps too well - a graphics overhaul won't help all of the newbies who will buy the game and get pwned by multi year vets. It's going to be a bloody mess online.

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ChaosBlade Translator Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Israel Posts: 1,959	CS Source: CS improved or CS destroyed ? There have been alot of talk lately on the upcoming port of CS into the HL2 Source engine. Notably, it being more then just a switch of engines. One major question presented by cs team member cliffe, is whatever to keep the shield in the game or not. Other issues include addition of vehicles (very bad idea IMO), some anti-shield weapon in case it does stay (molotovs for example) or the awp delay. Thought id ask around on people's opinions too. Mine: Shield -> Has to go. even if it was fixed, its just not fitting in a fast paced game like CS. Vehicles -> Again, CS is too fast paced for stuff like tanks or so. Would completely ruin the game for me. AWP delay -> well im not sure the 2sec blackscreen delay is the right choice to stop the awp from being too good even in the hand of an unskilled player, something has to be changed in it. Thats all i can think of. Please post your thoughts __________________ "..Did you win?" "I lost." "You dumbass! You're still alive, You won!" "I couldn't protect anyone, And i couldn't defeat those who wounded us." *I LOST.*

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July 6th, 2004	#2 (permalink)
Metalmurphy Translator Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Portugal, Oporto Posts: 5,774	IMO i think the shield does deserv to go unless theres some kind of anti shield weapon, the vehicles how ever i dont think they really need to go, now that we have a new engine new maps could be way bigger then original ones and some vehicles (transport not attack ones) could bring some great tatic planning to the game! About the AWP i think it should stay like it was in 1.5! I know its a powerfull weapon but for powerfull players, dont think an unskilled player can do much with it! He only kills couse the ppl dieing arent beeing smart! Anyway its just my opinion! P.S. - The shield is already implemented in CS Source so i doubt they will take it out now __________________ -------------------------------- Computer Specs ---------------------------------- Intel Pentium IV Prescott 3.0 HT → 4x 512MB DDR-DIMM → ASUS GF 6800 GT Sound Blaster X-Fi → 2x Maxtor 80 GB (RAID 0) Hitachi 19'' Monitor → Cambridge Soundworks Desktop Theater --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

July 6th, 2004	#3 (permalink)
ChaosBlade Translator Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Israel Posts: 1,959	If you didnt read my post right, the CS team is asking players all around whatever if to keep or remove the shield. __________________ "..Did you win?" "I lost." "You dumbass! You're still alive, You won!" "I couldn't protect anyone, And i couldn't defeat those who wounded us." *I LOST.*

July 6th, 2004	#4 (permalink)
Metalmurphy Translator Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Portugal, Oporto Posts: 5,774	I did but numerous requests for 1.6 didnt do anything yet... __________________ -------------------------------- Computer Specs ---------------------------------- Intel Pentium IV Prescott 3.0 HT → 4x 512MB DDR-DIMM → ASUS GF 6800 GT Sound Blaster X-Fi → 2x Maxtor 80 GB (RAID 0) Hitachi 19'' Monitor → Cambridge Soundworks Desktop Theater --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

July 6th, 2004	#5 (permalink)
ChaosBlade Translator Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Israel Posts: 1,959	The shield was a planned addon for 1.6\CZ. Now that players have shown their lack of use for it, cliffe of the cs team asked whatever if to keep it or not. I think that shows their intention to remove it if most of the players dont want it. Of course you can always keep it, fix it, and have the option to disable it on the server. __________________ "..Did you win?" "I lost." "You dumbass! You're still alive, You won!" "I couldn't protect anyone, And i couldn't defeat those who wounded us." *I LOST.*

July 6th, 2004	#6 (permalink)
Ghale0n No Prayer For The Dying Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Sweden Posts: 248	shield has to go, it was a bad idea to begin with awp should be as they were in cs 1.5 __________________ *R.I.P Steve Irwin, you were an inspiration to us all*

July 6th, 2004	#8 (permalink)
ChaosBlade Translator Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Israel Posts: 1,959	CZ was in the works long before 1.6, and when they made 1.6 they knew the shield will be there too (as you remember CZ was developed by several teams, and i think gearbox was the one who made the shield idea). __________________ "..Did you win?" "I lost." "You dumbass! You're still alive, You won!" "I couldn't protect anyone, And i couldn't defeat those who wounded us." *I LOST.*

July 6th, 2004	#9 (permalink)
Zer0Soul Souless Angel Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Close to Nowhere Posts: 900	Actually the shield idea, was made back during 7.2, that was the time vehicle implementation was highly talked about. "Jeepathon?". It was never implmented due to a large complaint roster on there forums. Once 1.0 was released in a large mass market. It became harder for small naysayers to control a group of 13 yr old acting children. If you remember correctly CS was originally going to be a "Tatical Mod" back in betas. I think they have always wanted to secretly make it more in the style of a Rainbow six game, but could never due to fan response. __________________ Currently Playing: Kindgom Hearts 2, Crimson Sea 2, Dynasty Warriors 4: Empires, Baiten Kaitos, & Lunar DS

July 6th, 2004	#11 (permalink)
ChaosBlade Translator Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Israel Posts: 1,959	Zero: i think its good they didnt. while we have enough tactical games, i do strongly believe CS' gameplay is unique and should be kept that way. __________________ "..Did you win?" "I lost." "You dumbass! You're still alive, You won!" "I couldn't protect anyone, And i couldn't defeat those who wounded us." *I LOST.*

July 6th, 2004	#12 (permalink)
ka0s Kancho Assassin Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: NJ, USA Posts: 1,035	Take out shields. They're a game spoiler. People that are good at shielding can become practically invincible nce they pick one up. Please no vehicles. At least not offensive ones. Transport vehicles might be ok, but I can still picture a lone CT in an APC running over the whole T team. Awps have to be changed somehow, They are pretty deadly in a total noob's hands, and you have no chance in some maps, when the whole oppossing team is awping. __________________ Shuttle SN41G2 XPC 1.6 AMD Duron -=- 512MB PC 2700 OCZ Memory 80GB WE Caviar SE -=- Liteon 48x24x48 CD-RW Optical Drive Abit 9600XT VIVO

July 6th, 2004	#13 (permalink)
ChaosBlade Translator Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Israel Posts: 1,959	Exactly, good way of explaning it ka0s, my problem is always making ppl understand my opinion I hate how in certain maps you have nothing to do against an awping team or even a single player, without any relation to his skill level. Now every idiot that was AWPing is crying because of the delay they added to it. __________________ "..Did you win?" "I lost." "You dumbass! You're still alive, You won!" "I couldn't protect anyone, And i couldn't defeat those who wounded us." *I LOST.*

July 6th, 2004	#14 (permalink)
Zer0Soul Souless Angel Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Close to Nowhere Posts: 900	I do not know if anyone of you really remember, the apc in siege. That was always a disaster... sighs I missed night siege, such a better map back then.. Oh well i quiet Cs awhile ago.. __________________ Currently Playing: Kindgom Hearts 2, Crimson Sea 2, Dynasty Warriors 4: Empires, Baiten Kaitos, & Lunar DS

July 6th, 2004	#15 (permalink)
ChaosBlade Translator Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Israel Posts: 1,959	Well i have played jeepathon2k and similer maps .. its nice once a year as a fun map, but vehicles are introduced to every map .. its going to be really bad. __________________ "..Did you win?" "I lost." "You dumbass! You're still alive, You won!" "I couldn't protect anyone, And i couldn't defeat those who wounded us." *I LOST.*

July 6th, 2004	#16 (permalink)
MrTeamWork Vet Tech Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 417	I heard there will be no new maps with CS:S? If so, that's a joke for as long as we have been waiting for the next Counterstrike. Shield must go. AWP must be weakened. No drivable units. __________________

July 6th, 2004	#17 (permalink)
hushypushy the only one you've ever SEEN Join Date: May 2003 Location: San Francisco Posts: 21,978	i think CS 1.5 was the last good version of CS. all the updates since steam have sent it downhill. remember all teh bug fixes? like flashbangs, the silencer tricks, reloading tricks...those were all fun tricks in the game and now the game is blah. shield: lame, worthless, and not fun. turns games into a standoff. vehicles: no place in a game like CS! awp delay: i feel nice that i'm not getting pwned every round by 12iC3aZnb0i with an awp and a deagle...but on the other hand i wish that i could use an awp the way it's meant to be used. __________________ Dedicated to mediocrity and repetition since 1994.

July 6th, 2004	#18 (permalink)
Metalmurphy Translator Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Portugal, Oporto Posts: 5,774	Well 1 week after the relase you will have already +1000 maps to download MrTeamWork, don't think that will be the problem. __________________ -------------------------------- Computer Specs ---------------------------------- Intel Pentium IV Prescott 3.0 HT → 4x 512MB DDR-DIMM → ASUS GF 6800 GT Sound Blaster X-Fi → 2x Maxtor 80 GB (RAID 0) Hitachi 19'' Monitor → Cambridge Soundworks Desktop Theater --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

July 6th, 2004	#19 (permalink)
ka0s Kancho Assassin Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: NJ, USA Posts: 1,035	In silencer tricks, you mean hitting secondary then switching weapons quickly?? Still works. It's ok for silencers, but that'd be gay for reloading. Unlimited ammo pretty much. And I don't really know what changed between 1.5 and 1.6 with the AWP. Can someone explain to me plz? __________________ Shuttle SN41G2 XPC 1.6 AMD Duron -=- 512MB PC 2700 OCZ Memory 80GB WE Caviar SE -=- Liteon 48x24x48 CD-RW Optical Drive Abit 9600XT VIVO

July 6th, 2004	#20 (permalink)
MrTeamWork Vet Tech Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 417	Yea but 98% of those made in a week maps will suck. Also, good maps will need to become official maps to be really played everywhere. People know the current maps too well - a graphics overhaul won't help all of the newbies who will buy the game and get pwned by multi year vets. It's going to be a bloody mess online. __________________