La Pucelle: Tactics to be "censored"

RZetlin · April 29th, 2004

No cross symbols in a church! For goodness sake, this takes place in a place of worship.

Mastiff Responds On La Pucelle Localization

Japanese:

American:

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Rhombus · April 29th, 2004

That's not such a big deal. Nothing like the NES and SNES generation when Nintendo and NOA were at the helm of censorship. I think this quote from that article sums it up best:

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There are well organized forces that work hard to punish software makers and sellers for what they consider religious transgressions. As a very small and brand new publisher without deep pockets we need to pick and choose our battles. Had we thought the crosses were meaningful we would have fought. But they weren't. And we'd much rather have the game widely available then face disappointed gamers who cannot find the title. It was the right decision, though as we grow as company we may make different calls in the future.

I agree... no need to needlessly put the game in the line of fire from certain over zealous groups. Especially when legality and distribution (ahem... Walmart) becomes involved, and certainly if the crosses are of as limited importance as the article claims.

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Kingo · April 29th, 2004

Thats almost stuped, I don't se how anyone will get offended, aren't supoded to be crosses on churches(almost in all of them) And doing that is only a waste of time.

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RZetlin · April 29th, 2004

If there were burning crosses in the game, I would understand the change.

I'm not angry, just a bit baffled that such a change occurs where such objects are common.

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Toshiro · April 29th, 2004

Umm, I don't see anything wrong with that. They should really not have changed it. It makes me wonder why I spend money and support these games when they censor the game. Well soon enough after my ESL course is done I will be taking a job in Japan, so I wont have to worry about the censoring that goes on here in North America.

Lobo · April 30th, 2004

That's nothing compared to the Xeno games censoring. Both Xenogears & Xenosaga got things changed around (thus confusing the audience a little more than need be - it's not overly important but some of the story would make a little more sense had they left well enough alone).

So sick of censoring and localization like name changes of characters (I understand the need for localization of certain words/phrases/jokes that just wouldn't make sense since we're not familiar with japanese pop culture as much as we are american pop culture). They just need to release the game, and put a warning on it if htey think its going to offend people. It's fiction for god sakes....and its not forced down people's throats. The only people that are going to buy La Pucelle Tactics are people who enjoyed Disgaea, and I don't think crosses are going to hurt them unless they role played the whole demon thing a little too much

.

And those buttons, why do they always change the buttons! I get some games like Xenosaga that use the original concept (O = OK, X = Cancel) then I get other games like Final Fantasy that reverse the buttons (X= OK, O = Cancel). In my eyes O for OK & X for cancel is a lot better than the other way.

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l3illyl3ob · April 30th, 2004

Just be glad you dont live in germany, they censor things worse tenfold over the us. But to take out crosses from a church seems completely baffling and ridiculous. At least it's not anything important

Esturk · April 30th, 2004

Why Nintendo replaced the Crosses in Dragon Warrior with the Star of David is beyond me... Not that there's anything wrong with that, it just doesn't make sense to me.

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Foxfyre · April 30th, 2004

Do we expect anything less??? Everyone walks around today with giant chips on their shoulder's, just hoping someone will come around and knock them off, so they can complain, or sue somebody, or get somebody in jail because "their rights" have been overtrodden.

This damn country so damn worried about the minority, that the minority is starting to become the majority.

Well, you know what? In this country we have more than just freedom of speech, we also have freedom of religion. And it is a software developers right to make references to religion as they see fit. After all, aren't RPG's FANTASY games?? Created in fantasy worlds thought up in the minds of the game's creator? Isn't it obvious that games creator is going to start using some of the real world circumstances around him in his creation??

IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE GAME, OR ANYTHING IN IT, DON'T FRICKIN BUY IT!!!!

I swear, people nowadays are too worried about their own feelings, or the fact that they are trying to turn themselves into God, one of the two.

If people would mind their own damn business, we wouldn't have so many problems.

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l3illyl3ob · April 30th, 2004

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Originally Posted by Jldnr77

IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE GAME, OR ANYTHING IN IT, DON'T FRICKIN BUY IT!!!!

That's exactly why mastiff did this, to stop people who wouldn't buy it for stupid reasons. It's not like they were forced to, they just want to have a game that's bought by enough people. You make this out to be much worse than it really is. This is almost typical in all japanese game localizations. You act as if america is bad in regards to censorship. compared to other places, america is damn near anarchistic (in a relative sense)

Shadow_Cast · April 30th, 2004

It's not really bad...they just decided to change the game to suit an audience with different mind-sets. As the article stated, crosses are used in a different context in Japan, so it is, actually, a very logical decision. It wasn't so much as censoring it for religous purposes, but actually more like the various jokes that get edited for US release -- the crosses' meaning simply doesnt translate.

PS -- Jldnr, wouldn't that kind of defeat the purpose of selling a game

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**cooliscool** · April 30th, 2004

AWWW man. I was really looking forward to those crosses. Guess I won't buy the game now.

Seriously though..

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Lobo · April 30th, 2004

The problem is a majority of people in the US will get offened by such trite things. Instead of first analyzing what exactly they're looking at. First reactions combined with prejudices is a bad thing. And people are too lazy to observe and process what it is they're seeing/hearing/touching etc...

The swastika example in the article is dead on. If they had that on a building a majority of americans would think skin heads or nazi's. Jewish people would think Nazi's and skin heads. What should happen is seeing the swastika, then recognizing in what context its being used and where. They don't have to explain it, things will explain themsleves as the story goes along. Problem is people get offended too easily and think they have some god given right to shield the world from something that offends them personally.

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netghost2.0 · April 30th, 2004

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Originally Posted by l3illyl3ob

Just be glad you dont live in germany, they censor things worse tenfold over the us. But to take out crosses from a church seems completely baffling and ridiculous. At least it's not anything important

They may censor out violence in Germany but I heard the German authorities were much more liberal about nudity and sexuality.

In my estimation:

b00bies >>> blood and guts

Back on topic, I think the change is a fairly minor alteration compared to the crap that's been pulled in the past. Censorship in the name of morality or religion has been quite common in the U.S.

I think Square was worried sick about offending religious fundies in the U.S. when Tactics was released since the the God/Goddess of the main religion in Tactics (the equivalent of Jesus) was really a bad guy. In addition, I believe the developers of Silent Hill purposely made the story somewhat incoherent and indirect since it dealt with Satanic or occultic elements.

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StelardActek · June 8th, 2005

I don't see what everyone is complaining about. It's just some crosses for goodness sake.
Now compare that to how Sony force Koei to remove the Japanese language option for the PAL version of Disgaea. /That/ is pointless and infuriating. I hate the US voice actors. :(

ChankastRules · June 8th, 2005

They remove a cross from la pucelle, however they allow you to travel to hell and fight demons in doom? ehhh, I don't understand this at all but ... I guess they think differently.

Edit: ugh, they should have a old thread warning button or something, I hate it when someone replies to it and it shows up in the most recent threads.... indeed this is not needed.

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Toshiro · June 8th, 2005

Ummm Oi, this thread is over a year old. A new thread could have been started about La Pucelle, although I feel sorry for EU for having only English voices for the game, reviving an old thread is not necessary.

Mr. Killjoy · June 8th, 2005

Americans are just too sensitive about religion, it's sick! "OMG, crosses in a church! We got to censor that!". Morons, remove crosses in RL churches too, pfff.

Here in Europe, some games get censored for volience, even though I don't like it, it's understandable. Ok, Germany censorers (word?) overdo it by censoring everydrop of blood. But in those f'cking USA, any single thing is taken as an offence against 'God'.
C'mon, be atheists, it causes less problems!

... ok, this thread is so old I wonder why I'm posting

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Tori-Yama · June 8th, 2005

There must be a game released here to start censoring it actually. Since I got my little handy modchip I give a damn about about EU relaeses anyway.

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Boltzmann · June 8th, 2005

This thread is over a year old, but I’ll reply anyway, since it was already revived

All kinds of censorship are dumb, and I mean it. Whether it’s censorship about sexual content, violence or religious symbols, it’s dumb. I hate this kind of paternalistic government (that’s where I veer off heavily toward the libertarian side).

People should stop being so sensitive about their religion, and stop trying to stop other people’s freedom of expression.

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April 29th, 2004	#3 (permalink)
Kingo Nice to met you! ^_^ Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Mexico B.C. Posts: 278	Thats almost stuped, I don't se how anyone will get offended, aren't supoded to be crosses on churches(almost in all of them) And doing that is only a waste of time. __________________ MegaKore By Kingo

April 29th, 2004	#4 (permalink)
RZetlin General of Tangerines Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Defending the Sea Posts: 3,913	If there were burning crosses in the game, I would understand the change. I'm not angry, just a bit baffled that such a change occurs where such objects are common. __________________ AMD Athlon 64 3700+ \| 2 GB RAM \| XFX Nvidia 6800 GS 256 MB XXX Edition \| Win XP Pro SP3 "Asu no Egao no Tame ni!" - So We Can Smile Tomorrow! Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/RZetlin

April 29th, 2004	#5 (permalink)
Toshiro Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Small island in Japan Posts: 822	Umm, I don't see anything wrong with that. They should really not have changed it. It makes me wonder why I spend money and support these games when they censor the game. Well soon enough after my ESL course is done I will be taking a job in Japan, so I wont have to worry about the censoring that goes on here in North America.

April 30th, 2004	#6 (permalink)
Lobo Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 408	That's nothing compared to the Xeno games censoring. Both Xenogears & Xenosaga got things changed around (thus confusing the audience a little more than need be - it's not overly important but some of the story would make a little more sense had they left well enough alone). So sick of censoring and localization like name changes of characters (I understand the need for localization of certain words/phrases/jokes that just wouldn't make sense since we're not familiar with japanese pop culture as much as we are american pop culture). They just need to release the game, and put a warning on it if htey think its going to offend people. It's fiction for god sakes....and its not forced down people's throats. The only people that are going to buy La Pucelle Tactics are people who enjoyed Disgaea, and I don't think crosses are going to hurt them unless they role played the whole demon thing a little too much . And those buttons, why do they always change the buttons! I get some games like Xenosaga that use the original concept (O = OK, X = Cancel) then I get other games like Final Fantasy that reverse the buttons (X= OK, O = Cancel). In my eyes O for OK & X for cancel is a lot better than the other way. __________________ ~You should never underestimate the predictability of stupidity.~ Bullettooth Tony (Snatch)

April 30th, 2004	#7 (permalink)
l3illyl3ob Link to the Underworld Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Detroit Posts: 1,148	Just be glad you dont live in germany, they censor things worse tenfold over the us. But to take out crosses from a church seems completely baffling and ridiculous. At least it's not anything important

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Esturk Registered User Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Posts: 6,958	Why Nintendo replaced the Crosses in Dragon Warrior with the Star of David is beyond me... Not that there's anything wrong with that, it just doesn't make sense to me. __________________ Necrosaro: Windows XP Pro x64 Edition SP2 \| Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 3.00GHz, 1333MHz FSB, 6MB L2 Cache \| Asus P5Q Deluxe, Intel P45 Chipset, Socket 775 \| 4GB Kingston PC5300 DDR2 \| Nvidia GeForce 8800GT, 1024MB \| Creative SB X-Fi Fatality Edition \| Western Digital Raptor WD1500ADFD, 150Gb, SATA, Western Digital WD5000AAKS, 500GB, SATA \| LG 16x DVD-RWx2 SATA.

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Shadow_Cast Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: East LA Posts: 302	It's not really bad...they just decided to change the game to suit an audience with different mind-sets. As the article stated, crosses are used in a different context in Japan, so it is, actually, a very logical decision. It wasn't so much as censoring it for religous purposes, but actually more like the various jokes that get edited for US release -- the crosses' meaning simply doesnt translate. PS -- Jldnr, wouldn't that kind of defeat the purpose of selling a game ? __________________ 2.8Ghz Pentium D - 1024MB DDR2 RAM - It's been a 7800GT for a while now -- just never updated the sig - 250 GB HDD (7200 RPM) I hate Myspace. I love facebook.

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cooliscool Global Moderator Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: South Carolina, USA Posts: 6,828	AWWW man. I was really looking forward to those crosses. Guess I won't buy the game now. Seriously though.. __________________ Bottles' Glasses - Banjo Kazooie/Tooie model viewer and ripper

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Lobo Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 408	The problem is a majority of people in the US will get offened by such trite things. Instead of first analyzing what exactly they're looking at. First reactions combined with prejudices is a bad thing. And people are too lazy to observe and process what it is they're seeing/hearing/touching etc... The swastika example in the article is dead on. If they had that on a building a majority of americans would think skin heads or nazi's. Jewish people would think Nazi's and skin heads. What should happen is seeing the swastika, then recognizing in what context its being used and where. They don't have to explain it, things will explain themsleves as the story goes along. Problem is people get offended too easily and think they have some god given right to shield the world from something that offends them personally. __________________ ~You should never underestimate the predictability of stupidity.~ Bullettooth Tony (Snatch)

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StelardActek Registered User Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Australia Posts: 1	I don't see what everyone is complaining about. It's just some crosses for goodness sake. Now compare that to how Sony force Koei to remove the Japanese language option for the PAL version of Disgaea. /That/ is pointless and infuriating. I hate the US voice actors. :(

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ChankastRules NextGenerationGaymulation Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Sweden ( Proud Game Developer ) Posts: 2,771	They remove a cross from la pucelle, however they allow you to travel to hell and fight demons in doom? ehhh, I don't understand this at all but ... I guess they think differently. Edit: ugh, they should have a old thread warning button or something, I hate it when someone replies to it and it shows up in the most recent threads.... indeed this is not needed. Last edited by ChankastRules; June 8th, 2005 at 10:23..

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Toshiro Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Small island in Japan Posts: 822	Ummm Oi, this thread is over a year old. A new thread could have been started about La Pucelle, although I feel sorry for EU for having only English voices for the game, reviving an old thread is not necessary.

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Mr. Killjoy Translator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Somewhere I don't belong (La Rochelle, France) Posts: 7,804	Americans are just too sensitive about religion, it's sick! "OMG, crosses in a church! We got to censor that!". Morons, remove crosses in RL churches too, pfff. Here in Europe, some games get censored for volience, even though I don't like it, it's understandable. Ok, Germany censorers (word?) overdo it by censoring everydrop of blood. But in those f'cking USA, any single thing is taken as an offence against 'God'. C'mon, be atheists, it causes less problems! ... ok, this thread is so old I wonder why I'm posting __________________ Leader of "The Pessimists' Club" CPU: Core 2 Q6600@3GHz - RAM: 4GB DDR2 (Corsair PC6400) VGA: (Frying) GF8800GTS 512MB - Monitor: H233H 23" 1920x1080 Mobo: Gigabyte EP35C-DS3R - PSU: Antec NeoPower Blue 650w 24Mb/1Mb ADSL - Windows 7 Ultimate --------------------------------------------- All ePSXe plugins up-to-date http://mrkilljoy.deviantart.com/

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Tori-Yama Jyushi Bismark Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Germany Posts: 2,561	There must be a game released here to start censoring it actually. Since I got my little handy modchip I give a damn about about EU relaeses anyway. __________________

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Boltzmann Registered User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: São Paulo - Brazil Posts: 7,651	This thread is over a year old, but I’ll reply anyway, since it was already revived All kinds of censorship are dumb, and I mean it. Whether it’s censorship about sexual content, violence or religious symbols, it’s dumb. I hate this kind of paternalistic government (that’s where I veer off heavily toward the libertarian side). People should stop being so sensitive about their religion, and stop trying to stop other people’s freedom of expression. __________________ 'You're spying and betraying Switzerland to try and keep alive somebody with a hook and spinal fluid and no skull in an irreversible coma? And I thought I was disturbed. You're making me totally reorient my idea of disturbed, mister.' - David Foster Wallace, "Infinite Jest"