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[Chinoz]

NVIDIA-based Graphics Cards Will Have a Bug in Half-Life 2?
FSAA Cannot Be Enabled

The highly-anticipated Half-Life 2 game will have a major bug with current DirectX 9.0 hardware resulting in impossibility in enabling Full-Scene Anti-Aliasing, a popular feature that dramatically improves image quality in games. Apparently, there is a limitation in DirectX 9.0 and/or DirectX 9.0-compliant hardware that will not allow the function to be enabled on certain graphics cards if the workaround is not found.
According a Valve officials quoted in forums at HalfLife2.net web-site, there are problems with the way that current hardware implements FSAA. If you enable it, you will see a lot of artifacts on polygon boundaries due to the way that current graphics processors sample texture subjects with FSAA enabled.
Valve continued that this is a problem for any application that packs small textures into larger textures. The small textures will bleed into each other if you have multi-sample FSAA enabled.
Currently both leading graphics chips designers use multi-sampling or hybrid multi-sampling + super-sampling methods to for FSAA.
The developers of the legendary Half-Life game said that drivers are not likely to solve the problem, however, it still can be solved for graphics cards based on VPUs from ATI Technologies, such as RADEON 9500-, 9600-, 9700- and 9800-series. As for NVIDIA GeForce and GeForce FX-series, there are practically no chances to find a workaround, according to Valve.
Some industry sources indicated that the problem with such FSAA is a known one and is to be addressed in DirectX 9.1 and next-generation graphics processors with Pixel Shaders 3.0 and Vertex Shaders 3.0, such as ATI Technologies?s code-named R420 and NVIDIA?s code-named NV40 VPUs and derivatives. Both next-generation products will come later than the Half-Life 2 that is expected to be available by October.
You can find the thread on the matter with quotes from Valve officials
here.
Stay tuned with us because we are looking forward to bring you some comments from ATI Technologies and NVIDIA about the situation.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/video/d...718155730.html

P/s umm correct forum? Not too sure

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[didamangi]

Well i was going to post this earlier in the news forum, but hey what do i know??

Anyways this news makes me think twice about getting either the fx or the 9500 pro, guess i'll wait till the games came out.

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[Chinoz]

Well, the way things look now, nvidia seems to be flying down a slope at 212mph, whereas ati are steadily scaling mt everest. I'd get the 9500pro if i were you, but i dunno...many ppl around ngemu seem to have some past issues with ati

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[didamangi]

No, i mean they both has issue with hl2 fsaa ATM, it's just that ATI card can be fixed, and ATM nvidia can't be fixed.

I think i'll wait for the next gen card that fully support dx 9.1.

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[Chinoz]

Well, it's not 100%...and I think it's gonna cost you

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[Boltzmann]

Unlucky me... I'll get a GeForce FX 5600. And I'll not wait until a DX 9.1 card comes out (and waiting for the prices to drop goes without saying).

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[Kane]

Heh with nVidia's driver support, my guess is they'll just enable a pure super sampling mode in the drivers or make a specific optimisation for HL2 ('cheat' for all you nVidia haters out there)

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[Gamer1]

ATI has the exact same problem that nVidia does, both can't anti-alias the 3d models right now.

But... ati has a possible fix for the issue. So, until ati does the fix, there is no such thing as a bad choice at the moment

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[Razor Blade]

Well still a while till the release of HL2 so I wouldnt be too worried. They will fix both cards. Either by patches or drivers. I mean dont they always?

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[n_w95482]

Well at least the game will run on the cards, you just won't be able to enable AA on the cards right now.

[Mr. Killjoy]

What's the use of FSAA anyway, just use higher res and you'll have good quality... ok you'll still see
the pixelisation but I prefer to play in 1024 w/out FSAA than 800 or 640 w/ it... Why? _framerate_

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Originally Posted by Killjoy

What's the use of FSAA anyway, just use higher res and you'll have good quality... ok you'll still see
the pixelisation but I prefer to play in 1024 w/out FSAA than 800 or 640 w/ it... Why? _framerate_

Using Higher Resolutions works well with PC games, but not with PSx emulated games. They look jaggied even at 1600x1200.

I'm reserving my judgement until the game comes out, like Doom3 and other future upcoming games.

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[Mr. Killjoy]

>> Using Higher Resolutions works well with PC games, but not with PSx emulated games. They look jaggied even at 1600x1200.

Yup, I agree on the point, but we're talking about HL2, not emulation

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[Raziel]

IMHO, it's up to Valve to fix that, not nVidia or ATi, they still have some time before the release, all the fuss about dx9 being the problem is BS, why woud it work with every other games and not with HL 2 ? IMHO, the only problem is pure laziness and money cost.
Valve just lost 100 points in my "which company I like" list.

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[Mr. Killjoy]

Just don't use FSAA, anyway we'll can't use the higher details

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[RF]

Well there goes any thought of buying a nvidia card. Looks like another ATi in the future for me

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[Gamer1]

>>all the fuss about dx9 being the problem is BS, why woud it work with every other games and not with HL 2 ?

okay... how many direct x 9 games are out there

the only game that i could think of is splinter cell. and yes, splinter cell is having problems with fsaa.

and why isn't doom3 affected? simple... it uses opengl.

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[Raziel]

GunMetal & Big Mutha Truckers (2 games I got with the card) are both DX9 games and run just fine with FSAA (ok, a bit slow :P)

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[Demigod]

As Valve stated, HL2 uses some new texturing methods that haven't been used before. With what I've read about the situation it's probable that such a texturing method would have problems with multi-sample anti-aliasing.

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[dogulation000]

Originally Posted by Demigod

As Valve stated, HL2 uses some new texturing methods that haven't been used before. With what I've read about the situation it's probable that such a texturing method would have problems with multi-sample anti-aliasing.

I see three solutions: Patches, Driver Updates, or turn off FSAA altogether. I mean, to me, it's not a big deal. I'll just turn off FSAA.

To me, it's a oversight on Valve's part, not ATI's or Nvidia's. They are the ones who should alleviate the problem. However, I'm sure that ATI and Nvidia might think of something to fix this.

Either that, or I just turn off FSAA. It's not a big deal to me.