KOF 2002: A step backwards, or purely nostalgic?

**kairi00** · July 15th, 2003

For those of you that have played KOF 2002, what do you think about it?

With the game mechanics going back (almost) to its original roots - no striker, 3 on 3 matches, even some characters have a pre-97 feel to the moves and pacing - do you feel that it's a step backwards from the series, or a game purely geared to provide you with the raw KOF experience in the days of KOF '96?

Thoughts/comments?

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Decoy_Octopus · July 15th, 2003

imo KOF should either evolve or stop being made. the old games are great, but the games in the last couple years have just been rehashes.

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July 15th, 2003

the second option in your poll is the closest to what I think, so I voted that....

IMO Kof2002 is at least a lot better than 2001. a WHOLE lot. The game it reminds me most of is actually Kof98, which is my personal favourite. However, despite reminding me of that, the quality of 2002 just isn't as good. Still a nice game though, but it's just not as big anymore as the series were ~5 years ago.

as Decoy says; it wouldn't hurt if they did a complete rehash.
The graphics are a joke compared to the (even older) Capcom vs SNK2 , and I won't even start comparing it with Guilty Gear X. Also, while reintroducing the classic fighting system wasnt such a bad move IMO, it also completely 'erased' any changes made to the system in recent years. Maybe they need to change something other than strikers.
If they're porting all their stuff to the DC anyway, I have a tip for playmore/eolith/snkneogeo/whoeverelseisinvolved: use naomi hardware, kthx.

Last edited by Samor; July 15th, 2003 at 02:52..

**Yeloazndevil** · July 15th, 2003

its a good update, no more stupid strikers

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**Raziel** · July 15th, 2003

The last KOF was 2k, KOF 2k1/2k2 aren't KOFs, just some suck ass games

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**DarkAurora** · July 15th, 2003

It has no King in it and she's my fav KOF player, so I can't recommend it to anyone.

N1ghtw0lf · July 15th, 2003

awesome...cuz i love KOF including 2002

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Nightmare · July 15th, 2003

I like this game because there is no more broken striker system (i really don't like kof2k/2k1, except kof99) and the game speed seduced me to play this game. The only problem i got about this game is the presence of a few broken characters with bull**** unbelievable safe and cheap style.

About the option 3, what do you say they ruined Takuma? He is still a great character if play the right way.

sights · July 15th, 2003

...I've made a few comments about this game, when I posted some pics a while back. My opinion about it hasn't changed much since.
I still believe that the latest KoF is mostly appreciated by KoF "purists" (people who consider KoF '98 to be the last "real" KoF), but its also good for the "regular" KoF player.
As for the "soul-less" option, well... I'm not sure if it refers to the way the story develops, which would be irrelevant since it is after all, a "dream match/no official story" contest (much like KoF'98). If "soul-less" refers to the gameplay, then again its invalid, since the whole scheme (3 vs 3, no strikers, etc) has certainly been the heart and "soul" (the "basis" if you wish) of the KoF games.

As I also said back then, everything that was good about KoF music, is back in this game. KoF2001 was not such a bad game IMHO as many people believe, but its music was totally uninspiring and boring. KoF2002 set things straight again in this department, thank God.

On a lighter side, I really liked that the ultra-annoying (always IMO) King is gone

, but poor Takuma isn't half the man he used to be.

I won't say that he's actually "worse" now, just that he's... diffirent !! (no one can argue with that, right ?

).

Then, there's the "timing" issue. This may become more apparent to people who use keyboards, rather than joypads. It seems (to some peope, including me) that the timing for the half-circle motions was reverted back to pre-KoF'96 "stiffness". It is less forgiving now IMO, and I still don't understand why they changed this, insted of leaving in their tried-and-true timing system (which has been the same since KoF'98).

Anyway, my all-time favorite KoF, is still KoF'97

Last edited by sights; July 16th, 2003 at 05:07..

**kairi00** · July 15th, 2003

Takuma is not necessarily worse, I agree, but... he's actually my best character in the game, and imagine my horror when I learned that NONE of his previous moves (except that hcb + P) are retained. Needless to say, I got my ass handed to me on a platter, and I was not impressed

As for the 'soul-less'... there have been arguments about how '02 is bland, as opposed to '98 (even when both games are a 'dream match' of some sorts that don't fit into the storyline). I just want to see what the general consensus is over here.

My point still stands... what did they do to Takuma? No more Zanretsu-Ken and Shoran Kyaku? Waaaahh!

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sights · July 16th, 2003

Quote:

Originally Posted by kairi00

My point still stands... what did they do to Takuma? No more Zanretsu-Ken and Shoran Kyaku? Waaaahh!

...heh... I know how you feel. I believe we share a similar opinion on this matter. While I'm more or less used to Takuma in his latest "incarnation", I was completely shocked when I first experienced the changes he'd gone through !!

That's the main reason I voted for the "Takuma" option, after all !!

Boltzmann · July 16th, 2003

I voted for the second option, although I think they ruined Takuma (but it's no big deal for me, since I don't like playing with Takuma). The game has a old style, '98 feel - a great improvement when compared to '2001.
IMO It's as good as KOF '98 (hope I don't get flamed for this

).

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View Poll Results: What do you think of KOF 2002?
A disappointing, 'soul-less' game that took a step backwards in the series.	2	14.29%
An awesome update that brings back the good ol' feel of the series back in the pre-97 era.	9	64.29%
THEY TOTALLY RUINED TAKUMA!!!	2	14.29%
KOF? Is it edible?	1	7.14%
Voters: 14. You may not vote on this poll

July 15th, 2003	#1 (permalink)
kairi00 Puchiko-nyu! Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: 49° 11' N 123° 10' W Posts: 2,854	KOF 2002: A step backwards, or purely nostalgic? For those of you that have played KOF 2002, what do you think about it? With the game mechanics going back (almost) to its original roots - no striker, 3 on 3 matches, even some characters have a pre-97 feel to the moves and pacing - do you feel that it's a step backwards from the series, or a game purely geared to provide you with the raw KOF experience in the days of KOF '96? Thoughts/comments? __________________ "Not every ejaculation deserves a name." --- George Carlin

July 15th, 2003	#2 (permalink)
Decoy_Octopus Master of Disguise Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Here... again... Posts: 1,508	Re: KOF 2002: A step backwards, or purely nostalgic? imo KOF should either evolve or stop being made. the old games are great, but the games in the last couple years have just been rehashes. __________________ "I contend that any game that draws people in is a good thing, because the more people play computer games, the more the hobby becomes legitimized and loses its social-retard status."- Jeff Green

July 15th, 2003	#3 (permalink)
Samor Guest Posts: n/a	Re: KOF 2002: A step backwards, or purely nostalgic? the second option in your poll is the closest to what I think, so I voted that.... IMO Kof2002 is at least a lot better than 2001. a WHOLE lot. The game it reminds me most of is actually Kof98, which is my personal favourite. However, despite reminding me of that, the quality of 2002 just isn't as good. Still a nice game though, but it's just not as big anymore as the series were ~5 years ago. as Decoy says; it wouldn't hurt if they did a complete rehash. The graphics are a joke compared to the (even older) Capcom vs SNK2 , and I won't even start comparing it with Guilty Gear X. Also, while reintroducing the classic fighting system wasnt such a bad move IMO, it also completely 'erased' any changes made to the system in recent years. Maybe they need to change something other than strikers. If they're porting all their stuff to the DC anyway, I have a tip for playmore/eolith/snkneogeo/whoeverelseisinvolved: use naomi hardware, kthx. Last edited by Samor; July 15th, 2003 at 02:52..

July 15th, 2003	#4 (permalink)
Yeloazndevil Tsundere-chan Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 10,386	Re: KOF 2002: A step backwards, or purely nostalgic? its a good update, no more stupid strikers __________________

July 15th, 2003	#5 (permalink)
Raziel Beta Administrator Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Nantes, France Posts: 6,246	Re: KOF 2002: A step backwards, or purely nostalgic? The last KOF was 2k, KOF 2k1/2k2 aren't KOFs, just some suck ass games __________________ System Specs: OS: Windows 7 Ultimate x64 Edition CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo E8500 @4GHz Video Card: MSI GeForce 8800 GTX Motherboard: ASUS Maximus Formula SE RAM: 4GB OCZ XMS2 PC6400

July 15th, 2003	#6 (permalink)
DarkAurora Back from the dead Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Seymour, TN Posts: 3,741	Re: KOF 2002: A step backwards, or purely nostalgic? It has no King in it and she's my fav KOF player, so I can't recommend it to anyone.

July 15th, 2003	#7 (permalink)
N1ghtw0lf Crasher of Castles Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Missouri Posts: 6,970	Re: KOF 2002: A step backwards, or purely nostalgic? awesome...cuz i love KOF including 2002 __________________

July 15th, 2003	#8 (permalink)
Nightmare ... Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 1,275	I like this game because there is no more broken striker system (i really don't like kof2k/2k1, except kof99) and the game speed seduced me to play this game. The only problem i got about this game is the presence of a few broken characters with bull**** unbelievable safe and cheap style. About the option 3, what do you say they ruined Takuma? He is still a great character if play the right way.

July 15th, 2003	#9 (permalink)
sights space trader Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Cobra MKIII Posts: 1,800	...I've made a few comments about this game, when I posted some pics a while back. My opinion about it hasn't changed much since. I still believe that the latest KoF is mostly appreciated by KoF "purists" (people who consider KoF '98 to be the last "real" KoF), but its also good for the "regular" KoF player. As for the "soul-less" option, well... I'm not sure if it refers to the way the story develops, which would be irrelevant since it is after all, a "dream match/no official story" contest (much like KoF'98). If "soul-less" refers to the gameplay, then again its invalid, since the whole scheme (3 vs 3, no strikers, etc) has certainly been the heart and "soul" (the "basis" if you wish) of the KoF games. As I also said back then, everything that was good about KoF music, is back in this game. KoF2001 was not such a bad game IMHO as many people believe, but its music was totally uninspiring and boring. KoF2002 set things straight again in this department, thank God. On a lighter side, I really liked that the ultra-annoying (always IMO) King is gone , but poor Takuma isn't half the man he used to be. I won't say that he's actually "worse" now, just that he's... diffirent !! (no one can argue with that, right ? ). Then, there's the "timing" issue. This may become more apparent to people who use keyboards, rather than joypads. It seems (to some peope, including me) that the timing for the half-circle motions was reverted back to pre-KoF'96 "stiffness". It is less forgiving now IMO, and I still don't understand why they changed this, insted of leaving in their tried-and-true timing system (which has been the same since KoF'98). Anyway, my all-time favorite KoF, is still KoF'97 Last edited by sights; July 16th, 2003 at 05:07..

July 15th, 2003	#10 (permalink)
kairi00 Puchiko-nyu! Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: 49° 11' N 123° 10' W Posts: 2,854	Re: KOF 2002: A step backwards, or purely nostalgic? Takuma is not necessarily worse, I agree, but... he's actually my best character in the game, and imagine my horror when I learned that NONE of his previous moves (except that hcb + P) are retained. Needless to say, I got my ass handed to me on a platter, and I was not impressed As for the 'soul-less'... there have been arguments about how '02 is bland, as opposed to '98 (even when both games are a 'dream match' of some sorts that don't fit into the storyline). I just want to see what the general consensus is over here. My point still stands... what did they do to Takuma? No more Zanretsu-Ken and Shoran Kyaku? Waaaahh! __________________ "Not every ejaculation deserves a name." --- George Carlin

July 16th, 2003	#12 (permalink)
Boltzmann Registered User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: São Paulo - Brazil Posts: 7,651	Re: KOF 2002: A step backwards, or purely nostalgic? I voted for the second option, although I think they ruined Takuma (but it's no big deal for me, since I don't like playing with Takuma). The game has a old style, '98 feel - a great improvement when compared to '2001. IMO It's as good as KOF '98 (hope I don't get flamed for this ). __________________ 'You're spying and betraying Switzerland to try and keep alive somebody with a hook and spinal fluid and no skull in an irreversible coma? And I thought I was disturbed. You're making me totally reorient my idea of disturbed, mister.' - David Foster Wallace, "Infinite Jest"

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