mgs2 substance pc problem

shahzaib · July 14th, 2003

the problem is of mgs2 on pc.when i have install it(both full and half).when i run mgs2 my sounds are coming,movies and codec.but my screen goes black.i can see nothing.help me.don't tell me to use patch.i have already tried it.

my graphic card:ati radeon 7000(64mb)

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July 14th, 2003

the game doesnt work with an ati radeon 7000, because that card doesnt have hardware T&L.

REi_FoX · July 14th, 2003

i thought there was a pathc released so that ATI cards will be supported?

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July 14th, 2003

yes, but only radeon 8500 and above. It doesnt work on older cards, just like it wont work on a tnt2

Shadow Warrior · July 14th, 2003

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Originally Posted by shahzaib

the problem is of mgs2 on pc.when i have install it(both full and half).when i run mgs2 my sounds are coming,movies and codec.but my screen goes black.i can see nothing.help me.don't tell me to use patch.i have already tried it.

my graphic card:ati radeon 7000(64mb)

Wait a sec you said the screen goes black.How do yo know then that your Movies are coming?

But you should download the patch that will enable you to play it on an Ati.

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July 14th, 2003

yo, hello! read his post! he can hear the sound of the movie; and he already tried the ati patch; and I'm also (sadly) quite sure that there's no way you can run this game on an ati radeon 7000, seeing as I have one of those in my laptop, and the game does exactly the same on that one...

Shadow Warrior · July 14th, 2003

Well thats my ponit if he can hear the sound maybe the movie is corrupt and only the sound is available.
It has happened to me on my ps2.I played a game and in the intro the screen went black and the sound was still coming.
But since he wrote the game also is gone black Substance is gone for u.

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Syed Fawad · July 14th, 2003

What a pity. That guy bought a DVD drive just to play MGS2

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Kazuya Mishima · July 14th, 2003

Btw, all the geforce series are supported?

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**Yeloazndevil** · July 14th, 2003

on the box it says supports all Nvidia graphics card

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**Razor Blade** · July 14th, 2003

<<What a pity. That guy bought a DVD drive just to play MGS2

Looks like he'll have to buy a new card also ...

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Rhombus · July 14th, 2003

The movie problem is actually unrelated to his video card. The movie playback is a known problem for ALL video cards. I had the same problem and I use a GeForce3. It's a codec issue and it's a pain in the a$$ to get around. Basically you have to make sure that any the game uses ONLY the windows media default codecs. If you have certain DirectShow filters may take priority by default and you'll have to disable them.

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July 14th, 2003

perhaps, but believe me, it doesn't run on a radeon 7000; same goes for TNT2;

the game supports any Geforce or Radeon 8500 and up. With any other card it will most likely not work at all.

Shazaib > you might be lucky with a utility called 3d analyze which can force T&L on a card; but the chances it will work are highly unlikely.
a better solution would be to try to find the cheapest geforce card available.

Rhombus · July 14th, 2003

Oh I certainly believe that the Radeon 7000 doesn't officially support it... just pointing out that the particular error is actually not because of the Radeon incompatibility.

As for running it. From a graphic standpoint, (hypothetically, if the game were able to run) at a low resolution and with effects and textures at a low level a Radeon 7000 could definitely handle the game. A TNT2 could too I think. Of course the HW T&L problem keeps it from happening, so it's just a hypothetical.

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July 14th, 2003

well, I dont mind getting that particular tool (3d analyze) and try to run it; I don't expect much from it since the only thing that tool did for me so far was getting the lightbikes part in the tron 2.0 demo (which requires hw t&l normally) to work on a matrox g400. ..but who knows...

shahzaib · July 14th, 2003

does mgs2 requires t&l.i don't know.

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July 14th, 2003

yup, it does, but it isnt listed specifically on the box; instead they listed the supported cards and later made a patch that added support for radeon 8500 and above.

shahzaib · July 14th, 2003

so there is any way of making it run on radeon 7000.

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July 15th, 2003

I'm trying

**UPDATE**

I just tried to force software TnL using a tool called 3d analyze, but it only results in an error. with AND without patch. If I don't use the tool I get the black screen, just like you.
So sadly I think it's safe to say that there is NO way that MGS2 will run on a Radeon 7000.
The only solution is a different videocard; or, if you're having more problems running recent games, get a ps2 instead; the ps2 version of substance is better, AND you'll be sure that you can get MGS3 as soon as it comes out.

Last edited by Samor; July 15th, 2003 at 03:31..

Syed Fawad · July 15th, 2003

Quote:

Originally Posted by Samor

I'm trying

**UPDATE**

I just tried to force software TnL using a tool called 3d analyze, but it only results in an error. with AND without patch. If I don't use the tool I get the black screen, just like you.
So sadly I think it's safe to say that there is NO way that MGS2 will run on a Radeon 7000.
The only solution is a different videocard; or, if you're having more problems running recent games, get a ps2 instead; the ps2 version of substance is better, AND you'll be sure that you can get MGS3 as soon as it comes out.

Samor you sound like me

And Shahzaib, one thing more I need to tell you; MGS2 substance for PS2 also has Solid Snake Skateboarding.

And the MGS2 theme remix that runs in the background during that also rules...

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shahzaib the real solidsnake Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: METAL GEAR RAY Posts: 257	mgs2 substance pc problem the problem is of mgs2 on pc.when i have install it(both full and half).when i run mgs2 my sounds are coming,movies and codec.but my screen goes black.i can see nothing.help me.don't tell me to use patch.i have already tried it. my graphic card:ati radeon 7000(64mb) __________________ solidsnake returns.beware.i am the only solidsnake in this universe.and anyone who tries to become solidsnake he will know what will happen to him.dead.

July 14th, 2003	#2 (permalink)
Samor Guest Posts: n/a	Re: mgs2 substance pc problem the game doesnt work with an ati radeon 7000, because that card doesnt have hardware T&L.

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July 14th, 2003	#4 (permalink)
Samor Guest Posts: n/a	Re: mgs2 substance pc problem yes, but only radeon 8500 and above. It doesnt work on older cards, just like it wont work on a tnt2

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Samor Guest Posts: n/a	Re: mgs2 substance pc problem yo, hello! read his post! he can hear the sound of the movie; and he already tried the ati patch; and I'm also (sadly) quite sure that there's no way you can run this game on an ati radeon 7000, seeing as I have one of those in my laptop, and the game does exactly the same on that one...

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Shadow Warrior The real Snake! Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Where there is a Metal Gear. Posts: 190	Re: mgs2 substance pc problem Well thats my ponit if he can hear the sound maybe the movie is corrupt and only the sound is available. It has happened to me on my ps2.I played a game and in the intro the screen went black and the sound was still coming. But since he wrote the game also is gone black Substance is gone for u. __________________ Liquid:Brother iam you,Iam your SHADOW! Solidus:Brother iam a whole different game than LIQUID! Solid Snake:You are no brother of mine.

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Rhombus The Moogle Assassin Join Date: May 2002 Location: Boulder, Colorado Posts: 2,081	Re: mgs2 substance pc problem The movie problem is actually unrelated to his video card. The movie playback is a known problem for ALL video cards. I had the same problem and I use a GeForce3. It's a codec issue and it's a pain in the a$$ to get around. Basically you have to make sure that any the game uses ONLY the windows media default codecs. If you have certain DirectShow filters may take priority by default and you'll have to disable them. __________________ Processor: Athlon 64 3400+ Mobo: MSI K8T Neo-FIS2R RAM: 1 GB Corsair XMS GFX Card: Sapphire Radeon 9800 Pro 128 Sound Card: SB Audigy 2 ZS HDD1: Seagate 160MB 8MB 7200 HDD2: Seagate 80MB 8MB 7200 Burner: NEC 16x DVDR Keyboard/Mouse: Logitech Cordless MX Duo USB Gamepad1: PS2 Dual Analog/KiKY X USB Gamepad2: Gravis GamePad Pro OS: Windows XP Pro sp2 *Tempus fugit et nos fugimus in illus.* *Fiat justitia; ruat coelum.*

July 14th, 2003	#13 (permalink)
Samor Guest Posts: n/a	Re: mgs2 substance pc problem perhaps, but believe me, it doesn't run on a radeon 7000; same goes for TNT2; the game supports any Geforce or Radeon 8500 and up. With any other card it will most likely not work at all. Shazaib > you might be lucky with a utility called 3d analyze which can force T&L on a card; but the chances it will work are highly unlikely. a better solution would be to try to find the cheapest geforce card available.

July 14th, 2003	#14 (permalink)
Rhombus The Moogle Assassin Join Date: May 2002 Location: Boulder, Colorado Posts: 2,081	Re: mgs2 substance pc problem Oh I certainly believe that the Radeon 7000 doesn't officially support it... just pointing out that the particular error is actually not because of the Radeon incompatibility. As for running it. From a graphic standpoint, (hypothetically, if the game were able to run) at a low resolution and with effects and textures at a low level a Radeon 7000 could definitely handle the game. A TNT2 could too I think. Of course the HW T&L problem keeps it from happening, so it's just a hypothetical. __________________ Processor: Athlon 64 3400+ Mobo: MSI K8T Neo-FIS2R RAM: 1 GB Corsair XMS GFX Card: Sapphire Radeon 9800 Pro 128 Sound Card: SB Audigy 2 ZS HDD1: Seagate 160MB 8MB 7200 HDD2: Seagate 80MB 8MB 7200 Burner: NEC 16x DVDR Keyboard/Mouse: Logitech Cordless MX Duo USB Gamepad1: PS2 Dual Analog/KiKY X USB Gamepad2: Gravis GamePad Pro OS: Windows XP Pro sp2 *Tempus fugit et nos fugimus in illus.* *Fiat justitia; ruat coelum.*

July 14th, 2003	#15 (permalink)
Samor Guest Posts: n/a	Re: mgs2 substance pc problem well, I dont mind getting that particular tool (3d analyze) and try to run it; I don't expect much from it since the only thing that tool did for me so far was getting the lightbikes part in the tron 2.0 demo (which requires hw t&l normally) to work on a matrox g400. ..but who knows...

July 14th, 2003	#16 (permalink)
shahzaib the real solidsnake Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: METAL GEAR RAY Posts: 257	Re: mgs2 substance pc problem does mgs2 requires t&l.i don't know. __________________ solidsnake returns.beware.i am the only solidsnake in this universe.and anyone who tries to become solidsnake he will know what will happen to him.dead.

July 14th, 2003	#17 (permalink)
Samor Guest Posts: n/a	Re: mgs2 substance pc problem yup, it does, but it isnt listed specifically on the box; instead they listed the supported cards and later made a patch that added support for radeon 8500 and above.

July 14th, 2003	#18 (permalink)
shahzaib the real solidsnake Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: METAL GEAR RAY Posts: 257	Re: mgs2 substance pc problem so there is any way of making it run on radeon 7000. __________________ solidsnake returns.beware.i am the only solidsnake in this universe.and anyone who tries to become solidsnake he will know what will happen to him.dead.

July 15th, 2003	#19 (permalink)
Samor Guest Posts: n/a	Re: mgs2 substance pc problem I'm trying UPDATE I just tried to force software TnL using a tool called 3d analyze, but it only results in an error. with AND without patch. If I don't use the tool I get the black screen, just like you. So sadly I think it's safe to say that there is NO way that MGS2 will run on a Radeon 7000. The only solution is a different videocard; or, if you're having more problems running recent games, get a ps2 instead; the ps2 version of substance is better, AND you'll be sure that you can get MGS3 as soon as it comes out. Last edited by Samor; July 15th, 2003 at 03:31..

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