What way to advance in FF games do you prefer??

**Cid Highwind** · July 4th, 2003

I've been thinking about Final Fantasy today, and found out that there are three ways in the series (though I haven't played 10 (2) and 11) to advance.

1. Abilities are restricted to one character who has only 1 job -> 4, and 9

2. You can choose jobs for everyone -> 1, 2, 3, 5

3. No jobs, only specific weapons for characters, and everyone is able to use magic. -> 6, 7 and 8

I prefer the style of 5, so you can create characters with your favourite abilities. Ever tried combining a monk with a black mage?? A must in the beginning of the game!!!
I like the style of 9 also, you have to make choices, 'cause at some points it's better to have someone else in your team than the regular team you use.

The third option is my less favorite... Especially FF8, no jobs, nothing special for a character, well okay, Quistis uses blue magic HOORAY. The only difference between the characters are the limit breaks and the weapons. But noone has got specific stats, you can max up everything for everyone, even in the beginning in the game.
Well, FF7 at least they has got a well designed materia system, which I prefer way over the Junction system. And IIRC I read that the characters do vary in stats, some were better with magic than others, and some were just a lot stronger. And if you use a lot of materia, your physical stats go down and magic stats will rise.

In short, I prefer a system in which you can see a difference between magic related jobs/characters and physical attack based character/jobs. And the freedom of 5 suited me perfect because I was able to mix, and create different character with multiple jobs, but still, I had a healer, thief/ninja, black mage/dragoon, and summoner/other job I don't remember.

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Exodus · July 4th, 2003

i think, i prefer the way FF9 did it with the items and getting the skills from them. but the job system is good too if you plan on spending lots of time on a game. nowadays, i don't have the patience to do that stuff (did lots of it in FFT). so yeah, FF9.

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**Kane** · July 4th, 2003

I think that although the jobless kinda system is more true to the RPG mould, it kinda goes against the personality of hte characters if you get what I mean. A person may not be defined by thier job, but thier job is defined by thier personality.
Imagine using Aeris as a fighter. Takes away from what her character is, doesn't it.

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**Cid Highwind** · July 4th, 2003

Well I've never played FFT... And I really like the way gaining abilities from weapons in 9 also. And in FF5 it didn't took me too long training to get some good characters, but I wanted the best for everyone, so I just let everyone master one magic class, and a fighting class, for HP and vitality.

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**Cid Highwind** · July 4th, 2003

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I think that although the jobless kinda system is more true to the RPG mould, it kinda goes against the personality of hte characters if you get what I mean. A person may not be defined by thier job, but thier job is defined by thier personality.
Imagine using Aeris as a fighter. Takes away from what her character is, doesn't it.

And that is something I miss in the older FF's, the personalities. I've played 3 (japan of course) and it felt like there are 4 clones with different jobs for variaty.

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Galway no Sora · July 4th, 2003

I like for no jobs. But it also depend on what FF type. Medieval type like FFT would be boring if without jobs and so FFX with job would only for summoner.

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**I-Chan** · July 5th, 2003

If i can't make a god of every character, i won't care playing further than completing the game and the secrets. But i played almost 400 hours to FF7, so, what would you think i'd like? XD

Strider · July 5th, 2003

i think i liked how ff4 had it more

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Boltzmann · July 5th, 2003

Greetings,

Since I'm a traditional RPG player I think FF7 system is the best. The junction system of FF8 sucked IMO.
But I do recognize that the job systems has it's advantages, and let you keep more in touch with your character's personality.

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N1ghtw0lf · July 5th, 2003

Abilits....may we say...strategery?

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**Kirby** · July 5th, 2003

SInce I only finished FF8, I would have to choose #3. #2 would be my first choice if I played those sequels. #1 is too....well.....boring

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Kaiser Sigma · July 5th, 2003

FFIV and FFIX system is the best one... without it you are breaking the rules of a RPG game. It takes out of the character the personality...

Blue Spirit · July 5th, 2003

I liked the junction system of FF8
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Boltzmann · July 5th, 2003

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Originally Posted by Kaiser Sigma

FFIV and FFIX system is the best one... without it you are breaking the rules of a RPG game. It takes out of the character the personality...

Freedom of choice is the basis of the more modern pen & paper RPGs, so you should be free to develop your character as you wish.
But of course the personality in the game is important, and in this case I agree with you. Too much freedom and it takes out the character's personality.

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Exodus · July 5th, 2003

well, in FF7 they did kind of control how your characters would turn out. they did have different magic and strength stats, so without telling you, they did have classes. not to mention the strength of the weapons which can also control the way the character is used. like rinoa and aeris couldn't be easily used as dependable fighters. this would be more the case if the numbers didn't go so high, to the 9999 mark. if it was set up so that you couldn't get that high, there would be even more distinction between magic and fighting characters.

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**Yeloazndevil** · July 5th, 2003

I liked the Materia system from FF7 I wish Square-Enix would reuse it

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Exodus · July 5th, 2003

so far, with all their PSX/2 FFs they've always ysed different systems. to me, i find it better than reusing an old system. makes it that much more different. have to hand it to them for making something new in each installment.

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Boltzmann · July 5th, 2003

Greetings,

IMO the best systems were the ones in FF6 and FF7. The Materia system was really good, and I also liked the espers in FF6.

BTW Exodus, what you're saying about FF7 is just right. The characters had "built-in" classes, and you would be better if you enhanced their strong points (e.g.Magic, for Aeris).

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Exodus · July 5th, 2003

exactly. if you just leave the charcters as they are and don't spend hours collecting those stat bonus items in the submarine, they develop into their own classes. not a very deep difference, but there is a noticable difference between the fighters, the heavy fighters and the magic based characters. same goes for FF8, just that with those junctioning things, it kind of lets you alter the stats too easily, losing all difference in characters.

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Lost · July 5th, 2003

I liked the FFVI system the most, but it might get boring if it's reused again, FFVII's system was similar, even though it limits how much a character could do (because you can't learn and keep the abilities on the materia) it adds more strategies especially with the chain system, I thought it was good.

So I prefered the ones in FFVI/VII, but with a little change.

The thing about Abilities (like the system in FFIX) is that there aren't much customization to do, everyone are restricted to their abilities, and the bad thing about it is that you pretty much keep leveling up until u "unlock" those abilities, it gets boring after a while, I think the characters should have certain abilities or maybe better stats for specific job, but I would like my other characters to learn some other skills too and customize them.
So that's why I got bored of FFIX near the end, the story/characters were great though, I love the ending.

Last edited by Lost; July 5th, 2003 at 09:40..

View Poll Results: What way do you prefer??
1. Abilities are restricted to one character who has only 1 job -> 4, and 9	10	34.48%
2. You can choose jobs for everyone but suffer from job related penalties -> 1, 2, 3, 5	3	10.34%
3. No jobs, only specific weapons for characters, and everyone is able to use magic. -> 6, 7 and 8	16	55.17%
Voters: 29. You may not vote on this poll

July 4th, 2003	#1 (permalink)
Cid Highwind Human Metal Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Holland / Hungary Posts: 13,552	What way to advance in FF games do you prefer?? I've been thinking about Final Fantasy today, and found out that there are three ways in the series (though I haven't played 10 (2) and 11) to advance. 1. Abilities are restricted to one character who has only 1 job -> 4, and 9 2. You can choose jobs for everyone -> 1, 2, 3, 5 3. No jobs, only specific weapons for characters, and everyone is able to use magic. -> 6, 7 and 8 I prefer the style of 5, so you can create characters with your favourite abilities. Ever tried combining a monk with a black mage?? A must in the beginning of the game!!! I like the style of 9 also, you have to make choices, 'cause at some points it's better to have someone else in your team than the regular team you use. The third option is my less favorite... Especially FF8, no jobs, nothing special for a character, well okay, Quistis uses blue magic HOORAY. The only difference between the characters are the limit breaks and the weapons. But noone has got specific stats, you can max up everything for everyone, even in the beginning in the game. Well, FF7 at least they has got a well designed materia system, which I prefer way over the Junction system. And IIRC I read that the characters do vary in stats, some were better with magic than others, and some were just a lot stronger. And if you use a lot of materia, your physical stats go down and magic stats will rise. In short, I prefer a system in which you can see a difference between magic related jobs/characters and physical attack based character/jobs. And the freedom of 5 suited me perfect because I was able to mix, and create different character with multiple jobs, but still, I had a healer, thief/ninja, black mage/dragoon, and summoner/other job I don't remember. __________________ PC Specs: CPU: Intel Q8200 @ 2.8GHz GPU: Sapphire ATi HD4870 / 1024MB / Core: 801 / Mem: 1000 Mobo: Gigabyte EP35-DS3 (rev 2.1) SPU: Creative X-Fi Xtreme Music RAM: 2GB Kingston HyperX DDR2 1066 @ 4-4-4-12 ~ 800MHz HDD: 1TB Samsung Spinpoint, 32MB PSU: Hiper Type-R 580W Monitor: Iiyama B2403WS / 19201200 Geometry Wars: 198.400 Lumines: 999.999 Join the NGEmu Folding @ Home community NOW!*

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Exodus ...and now they do. Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Null Posts: 16,924	Re: What way to advance in FF games do you prefer?? i think, i prefer the way FF9 did it with the items and getting the skills from them. but the job system is good too if you plan on spending lots of time on a game. nowadays, i don't have the patience to do that stuff (did lots of it in FFT). so yeah, FF9. __________________ No, I don't like anime, Street Fighter, Japanese music or download video game music. Yes, I know, I'm weird.

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Kane 邪魔ゎ指せない Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Gosport, England Posts: 26,305	Re: What way to advance in FF games do you prefer?? I think that although the jobless kinda system is more true to the RPG mould, it kinda goes against the personality of hte characters if you get what I mean. A person may not be defined by thier job, but thier job is defined by thier personality. Imagine using Aeris as a fighter. Takes away from what her character is, doesn't it. __________________ >Site Live< Pop over to my site for help with setting up PSX emulators. Help for the Final Fantasies and other RPGs avalaible Celes: (Desktop) Athlon 64 X2 4200+, 2Gb 400MHz DDR Ram, MSI K8N Platinum, GeForce 8800 GTS 320Mb, 500Gb RAID HDD, Vista Business Erika: (MCPC) Athlon XP 2400+, 1Gb 400MHz DDR Ram, geForce 6800 256Mb, 80Gb Hdd, XP 2005 MCE Kimiko: (Desktop 2) Athlon 64 3000+, 512Mb 400MHz DDR Ram, Asus K8V, geForce 6800 128Mb

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Cid Highwind Human Metal Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Holland / Hungary Posts: 13,552	Re: What way to advance in FF games do you prefer?? Well I've never played FFT... And I really like the way gaining abilities from weapons in 9 also. And in FF5 it didn't took me too long training to get some good characters, but I wanted the best for everyone, so I just let everyone master one magic class, and a fighting class, for HP and vitality. __________________ PC Specs: CPU: Intel Q8200 @ 2.8GHz GPU: Sapphire ATi HD4870 / 1024MB / Core: 801 / Mem: 1000 Mobo: Gigabyte EP35-DS3 (rev 2.1) SPU: Creative X-Fi Xtreme Music RAM: 2GB Kingston HyperX DDR2 1066 @ 4-4-4-12 ~ 800MHz HDD: 1TB Samsung Spinpoint, 32MB PSU: Hiper Type-R 580W Monitor: Iiyama B2403WS / 19201200 Geometry Wars: 198.400 Lumines: 999.999 Join the NGEmu Folding @ Home community NOW!*

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Boltzmann Registered User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: São Paulo - Brazil Posts: 7,651	Re: What way to advance in FF games do you prefer?? Greetings, Since I'm a traditional RPG player I think FF7 system is the best. The junction system of FF8 sucked IMO. But I do recognize that the job systems has it's advantages, and let you keep more in touch with your character's personality. Live long and prosper. __________________ 'You're spying and betraying Switzerland to try and keep alive somebody with a hook and spinal fluid and no skull in an irreversible coma? And I thought I was disturbed. You're making me totally reorient my idea of disturbed, mister.' - David Foster Wallace, "Infinite Jest"

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Kirby red like my stool Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Massachusetts, USA Posts: 9,036	Re: What way to advance in FF games do you prefer?? SInce I only finished FF8, I would have to choose #3. #2 would be my first choice if I played those sequels. #1 is too....well.....boring __________________ AMD Athlon64 X2 4400+ @ 2.68GHz, Radeon HD4850 512MB, 2GB PC3200 2-3-2-5, ABit AN8-SLi, Sound Blaster X-FI XtremeMusic

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Exodus ...and now they do. Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Null Posts: 16,924	Re: What way to advance in FF games do you prefer?? well, in FF7 they did kind of control how your characters would turn out. they did have different magic and strength stats, so without telling you, they did have classes. not to mention the strength of the weapons which can also control the way the character is used. like rinoa and aeris couldn't be easily used as dependable fighters. this would be more the case if the numbers didn't go so high, to the 9999 mark. if it was set up so that you couldn't get that high, there would be even more distinction between magic and fighting characters. __________________ No, I don't like anime, Street Fighter, Japanese music or download video game music. Yes, I know, I'm weird.

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Exodus ...and now they do. Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Null Posts: 16,924	Re: What way to advance in FF games do you prefer?? so far, with all their PSX/2 FFs they've always ysed different systems. to me, i find it better than reusing an old system. makes it that much more different. have to hand it to them for making something new in each installment. __________________ No, I don't like anime, Street Fighter, Japanese music or download video game music. Yes, I know, I'm weird.

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Boltzmann Registered User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: São Paulo - Brazil Posts: 7,651	Re: What way to advance in FF games do you prefer?? Greetings, IMO the best systems were the ones in FF6 and FF7. The Materia system was really good, and I also liked the espers in FF6. BTW Exodus, what you're saying about FF7 is just right. The characters had "built-in" classes, and you would be better if you enhanced their strong points (e.g.Magic, for Aeris). Live long and prosper. __________________ 'You're spying and betraying Switzerland to try and keep alive somebody with a hook and spinal fluid and no skull in an irreversible coma? And I thought I was disturbed. You're making me totally reorient my idea of disturbed, mister.' - David Foster Wallace, "Infinite Jest"

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Exodus ...and now they do. Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Null Posts: 16,924	Re: What way to advance in FF games do you prefer?? exactly. if you just leave the charcters as they are and don't spend hours collecting those stat bonus items in the submarine, they develop into their own classes. not a very deep difference, but there is a noticable difference between the fighters, the heavy fighters and the magic based characters. same goes for FF8, just that with those junctioning things, it kind of lets you alter the stats too easily, losing all difference in characters. __________________ No, I don't like anime, Street Fighter, Japanese music or download video game music. Yes, I know, I'm weird.

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Lost Registered User Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Toronto Posts: 76	I liked the FFVI system the most, but it might get boring if it's reused again, FFVII's system was similar, even though it limits how much a character could do (because you can't learn and keep the abilities on the materia) it adds more strategies especially with the chain system, I thought it was good. So I prefered the ones in FFVI/VII, but with a little change. The thing about Abilities (like the system in FFIX) is that there aren't much customization to do, everyone are restricted to their abilities, and the bad thing about it is that you pretty much keep leveling up until u "unlock" those abilities, it gets boring after a while, I think the characters should have certain abilities or maybe better stats for specific job, but I would like my other characters to learn some other skills too and customize them. So that's why I got bored of FFIX near the end, the story/characters were great though, I love the ending. Last edited by Lost; July 5th, 2003 at 09:40..

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