When is it time to give up on a series?

**Ryos** · March 12th, 2003

As one could probably guess from looking at my post pattern about the subject (even though some Legend of Dragoon fan seems to think otherwise

), I've been getting more and more annoyed by the Final Fantasy series. I play quite a lot of RPGs, but it seems that every time I find an amazing gaming experience, the quality of the most recent FF seems that much worse by comparison. It started with FF7. Just about everyone seems to think this game is the best thing since sliced bread. I, on the other hand, found it easily one of the WORST games I've played. Then I went on to FF8. A disaster, to say the least. Then FF9. Yegads, the game I consider just a couple games removed from the worst game I've played.

Fast forward to PS2. I've been playing a number of RPGs when I recently got the system. I started with Suikoden III, which turned out to be the most surprisingly pleasant experience in gaming for me. Then I got to Xenosaga, which, as I mentioned here, was, if not quite as good, is easily one of my favorite games. The next game I put a lot of time into was FFX. I figured with everyone talking about how much people who liked the plot style of FFX would like Xenosaga, I'd be in for a real treat because I loved the way the plot unfolded in Xenosaga. Fast forward twenty hours into FFX. To be quite frank, I think this plot may even be worse than FFI. That's just wrong. It may even end up being the first FF I can't bear to finish. I don't want to be stuck in a poorly acted soap opera.

This then begs the question of the subject: when is enough enough and it's time to finally give up on a series and move on to bigger and better things? Because I'm just about to throw FF into the trash and stop wasting my time on games that don't appeal to me anymore.

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ste · March 12th, 2003

If you dont like a series, why continue to play it soley because other people like it? Don't perceive this as a personal attack or anything, I just dont see the point in bleeting.

I'd definately recommend Suikoden 1/2 if you havent played them. Being in Europe, I can't get S3 though :|

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**_E_** · March 12th, 2003

FF VII was a masterpiece incomparison to what we have now. people liked it most because it resembled the first 3D FF game ever, had nice storyline, good characters , excellent musical track and entertaining mini games. It aint the best though, but it remains as a top seller, like it or not. ( so yeah, its one of the best RPGs ). However, they should end the FF series in one way or another. The series is getting down recently and i dont prefer eye candy over storyline. I ll just wait for FF 11. from the screenshots i saw, it looked interesting, I would give that my very last try.

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Kid A · March 12th, 2003

It's about tastes... I personally can't stand the Quake series, while everyone loves it. It's not that I don't like FPS's, it's just that I find it senseless. When it comes to RPG's, the thing becomes even more subjective. But yeah, I agree that the FF series is living too much time (though I am one of the people who has FFVII at the top of an altar and I still haven't played FFX).

Mr. Killjoy · March 12th, 2003

The only FFs I really know are FF6, FF7, (both are the best of FF series IMO), I played FF8 once, I didn't enjoy it, then FF9 which wasn't that bad, but not great game though...

I don't care of superb gfx if the storyline, the battle system, and the extras (gold saucer in FF7

) are bad

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Rhombus · March 12th, 2003

When is it time for a fan to give up? Or for the manufacturer to give up?

I don't know. I don't believe in brand loyalty. I won't buy a game or movie just cause it's part of a series that I've liked in the past. With an RPG I'll always rent it or borrow it from a friend before I buy it. I bought FF1 on NES, FF4 and FF6 on SNES, and FF7 on PSX and I was happy with all of those purchases. FF8 looked cool in previews, and it was kinda fun at the beginning, so I bought it. I'll admit I was really disappointed, but that happens sometimes. As for FF9, I rented it, but didn't really like it off the bat, so I didn't buy it. I borrowed it from a friend and beat it, but that's just cause I had nothing better to play at the time - at least I didn't spend money on it. FFX I also played at a friend's house and was glad I didn't pay for it. I'm not gonna defend FF7, to each his own, but that's the last FF I really like and was into... I don't love the FF name and don't get overly excited about new titles in the series.

As for the manufacturers, obviously they're gonna use the name to be as profitable as popular. In the case of Final Fantasy, they're making alot of money so I think we'll probably see quite a few more games with the Final Fantasy name.

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Mr. Killjoy · March 12th, 2003

It's like the Street Fighter series, we'll see FF@ FF ex+@, FF turbo, etc... that's quite sad, Squaresoft used to make very good games b4

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**Kane** · March 12th, 2003

Personaly I loved FFX, 7, and 6. 8 was badly marrby the annoying Draw system, and 9 seemed like it had been made by Nintendo.
It's all down to personal preference tho. If you like it you like it, continue playing it, if you don't, don't bother.

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Mr. Killjoy · March 12th, 2003

I can't give my opinion on FFX cuz I don't have a PS2...
But concerning FF8 and 9, I was very disappointed, esp. for FF8...

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**Demigod** · March 12th, 2003

I haven't played FFX so I can't comment on it but the last FF game I've really enjoyed was FF7. FF8 and 9 failed to meet my expectations and really created a dent in my faith in Square. I think it's time for Square to renovate the series, especially the dated battle system.

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Mr. Killjoy · March 12th, 2003

The Xenogears system is the best IMO... combo usage is a real plus

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^______^ · March 12th, 2003

bah ff8 doesnt suck

mmkay =(

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Exodus · March 12th, 2003

hmmm... at this point, FF is just a name to sell games. the final fantasys would be the same game if their names would be changed. squaresoft would still release an RPG, might as well call it FF to get the ball rolling and make that extra money off the series' name.

btw, ^____^'s sig is very distracting when trying to post

... in a good way.

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Decoy_Octopus · March 12th, 2003

too many sequels=tomb raider. they should have stopped at 2

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Exodus · March 12th, 2003

theres nothing wrong with sequals, its an excellent marketing strategy.

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Kid A · March 12th, 2003

Quote:

Originally posted by Exodus

btw, ^____^'s sig is very distracting when trying to post
... in a good way.

Indeed.

I think Square should stop trying to get back the 'golden age' of the FF's, and concentrate in... let's say, Xenosaga? I have great interest in this series, I wouldn't like it facked up by some ambitious business man.

**Kane** · March 12th, 2003

..Xenosaga is Namco's baby, not Square's

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**_E_** · March 12th, 2003

Xenosaga isnt developed any longer by sqaure, Namco is taking in instead

edit: Kane beat me to it.........

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Exodus · March 12th, 2003

hey, the "lord" is back in, huh Kane?

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Kid A · March 12th, 2003

Quote:

Originally posted by Lord Kane
..Xenosaga is Namco's baby, not Square's

Whoops...

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Ryos Bearsona Join Date: May 2001 Location: Nowhere Posts: 11,307	When is it time to give up on a series? As one could probably guess from looking at my post pattern about the subject (even though some Legend of Dragoon fan seems to think otherwise ), I've been getting more and more annoyed by the Final Fantasy series. I play quite a lot of RPGs, but it seems that every time I find an amazing gaming experience, the quality of the most recent FF seems that much worse by comparison. It started with FF7. Just about everyone seems to think this game is the best thing since sliced bread. I, on the other hand, found it easily one of the WORST games I've played. Then I went on to FF8. A disaster, to say the least. Then FF9. Yegads, the game I consider just a couple games removed from the worst game I've played. Fast forward to PS2. I've been playing a number of RPGs when I recently got the system. I started with Suikoden III, which turned out to be the most surprisingly pleasant experience in gaming for me. Then I got to Xenosaga, which, as I mentioned here, was, if not quite as good, is easily one of my favorite games. The next game I put a lot of time into was FFX. I figured with everyone talking about how much people who liked the plot style of FFX would like Xenosaga, I'd be in for a real treat because I loved the way the plot unfolded in Xenosaga. Fast forward twenty hours into FFX. To be quite frank, I think this plot may even be worse than FFI. That's just wrong. It may even end up being the first FF I can't bear to finish. I don't want to be stuck in a poorly acted soap opera. This then begs the question of the subject: when is enough enough and it's time to finally give up on a series and move on to bigger and better things? Because I'm just about to throw FF into the trash and stop wasting my time on games that don't appeal to me anymore. __________________ Sanity is overrated.

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March 12th, 2003	#2 (permalink)
ste flim Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 222	If you dont like a series, why continue to play it soley because other people like it? Don't perceive this as a personal attack or anything, I just dont see the point in bleeting. I'd definately recommend Suikoden 1/2 if you havent played them. Being in Europe, I can't get S3 though :\| __________________ not unix

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_E_ Lurking Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Gone Posts: 8,958	FF VII was a masterpiece incomparison to what we have now. people liked it most because it resembled the first 3D FF game ever, had nice storyline, good characters , excellent musical track and entertaining mini games. It aint the best though, but it remains as a top seller, like it or not. ( so yeah, its one of the best RPGs ). However, they should end the FF series in one way or another. The series is getting down recently and i dont prefer eye candy over storyline. I ll just wait for FF 11. from the screenshots i saw, it looked interesting, I would give that my very last try. __________________ -= Moral cowardice that keeps us from speaking our minds is as dangerous to this country as irresponsible talk. The right way is not always =- the popular and easy way. Standing for right when it is unpopular is a true test of moral character. Margaret C. Smith

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Kid A ~ Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 2,638	It's about tastes... I personally can't stand the Quake series, while everyone loves it. It's not that I don't like FPS's, it's just that I find it senseless. When it comes to RPG's, the thing becomes even more subjective. But yeah, I agree that the FF series is living too much time (though I am one of the people who has FFVII at the top of an altar and I still haven't played FFX).

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Mr. Killjoy Translator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Somewhere I don't belong (La Rochelle, France) Posts: 7,804	The only FFs I really know are FF6, FF7, (both are the best of FF series IMO), I played FF8 once, I didn't enjoy it, then FF9 which wasn't that bad, but not great game though... I don't care of superb gfx if the storyline, the battle system, and the extras (gold saucer in FF7 ) are bad __________________ Leader of "The Pessimists' Club" CPU: Core 2 Q6600@3GHz - RAM: 4GB DDR2 (Corsair PC6400) VGA: (Frying) GF8800GTS 512MB - Monitor: H233H 23" 1920x1080 Mobo: Gigabyte EP35C-DS3R - PSU: Antec NeoPower Blue 650w 24Mb/1Mb ADSL - Windows 7 Ultimate --------------------------------------------- All ePSXe plugins up-to-date http://mrkilljoy.deviantart.com/

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Rhombus The Moogle Assassin Join Date: May 2002 Location: Boulder, Colorado Posts: 2,081	When is it time for a fan to give up? Or for the manufacturer to give up? I don't know. I don't believe in brand loyalty. I won't buy a game or movie just cause it's part of a series that I've liked in the past. With an RPG I'll always rent it or borrow it from a friend before I buy it. I bought FF1 on NES, FF4 and FF6 on SNES, and FF7 on PSX and I was happy with all of those purchases. FF8 looked cool in previews, and it was kinda fun at the beginning, so I bought it. I'll admit I was really disappointed, but that happens sometimes. As for FF9, I rented it, but didn't really like it off the bat, so I didn't buy it. I borrowed it from a friend and beat it, but that's just cause I had nothing better to play at the time - at least I didn't spend money on it. FFX I also played at a friend's house and was glad I didn't pay for it. I'm not gonna defend FF7, to each his own, but that's the last FF I really like and was into... I don't love the FF name and don't get overly excited about new titles in the series. As for the manufacturers, obviously they're gonna use the name to be as profitable as popular. In the case of Final Fantasy, they're making alot of money so I think we'll probably see quite a few more games with the Final Fantasy name. __________________ Processor: Athlon 64 3400+ Mobo: MSI K8T Neo-FIS2R RAM: 1 GB Corsair XMS GFX Card: Sapphire Radeon 9800 Pro 128 Sound Card: SB Audigy 2 ZS HDD1: Seagate 160MB 8MB 7200 HDD2: Seagate 80MB 8MB 7200 Burner: NEC 16x DVDR Keyboard/Mouse: Logitech Cordless MX Duo USB Gamepad1: PS2 Dual Analog/KiKY X USB Gamepad2: Gravis GamePad Pro OS: Windows XP Pro sp2 *Tempus fugit et nos fugimus in illus.* *Fiat justitia; ruat coelum.*

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Mr. Killjoy Translator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Somewhere I don't belong (La Rochelle, France) Posts: 7,804	It's like the Street Fighter series, we'll see FF@ FF ex+@, FF turbo, etc... that's quite sad, Squaresoft used to make very good games b4 __________________ Leader of "The Pessimists' Club" CPU: Core 2 Q6600@3GHz - RAM: 4GB DDR2 (Corsair PC6400) VGA: (Frying) GF8800GTS 512MB - Monitor: H233H 23" 1920x1080 Mobo: Gigabyte EP35C-DS3R - PSU: Antec NeoPower Blue 650w 24Mb/1Mb ADSL - Windows 7 Ultimate --------------------------------------------- All ePSXe plugins up-to-date http://mrkilljoy.deviantart.com/

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Kane 邪魔ゎ指せない Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Gosport, England Posts: 26,305	Personaly I loved FFX, 7, and 6. 8 was badly marrby the annoying Draw system, and 9 seemed like it had been made by Nintendo. It's all down to personal preference tho. If you like it you like it, continue playing it, if you don't, don't bother. __________________ >Site Live< Pop over to my site for help with setting up PSX emulators. Help for the Final Fantasies and other RPGs avalaible Celes: (Desktop) Athlon 64 X2 4200+, 2Gb 400MHz DDR Ram, MSI K8N Platinum, GeForce 8800 GTS 320Mb, 500Gb RAID HDD, Vista Business Erika: (MCPC) Athlon XP 2400+, 1Gb 400MHz DDR Ram, geForce 6800 256Mb, 80Gb Hdd, XP 2005 MCE Kimiko: (Desktop 2) Athlon 64 3000+, 512Mb 400MHz DDR Ram, Asus K8V, geForce 6800 128Mb

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Mr. Killjoy Translator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Somewhere I don't belong (La Rochelle, France) Posts: 7,804	I can't give my opinion on FFX cuz I don't have a PS2... But concerning FF8 and 9, I was very disappointed, esp. for FF8... __________________ Leader of "The Pessimists' Club" CPU: Core 2 Q6600@3GHz - RAM: 4GB DDR2 (Corsair PC6400) VGA: (Frying) GF8800GTS 512MB - Monitor: H233H 23" 1920x1080 Mobo: Gigabyte EP35C-DS3R - PSU: Antec NeoPower Blue 650w 24Mb/1Mb ADSL - Windows 7 Ultimate --------------------------------------------- All ePSXe plugins up-to-date http://mrkilljoy.deviantart.com/

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Demigod これはバタスです Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada Posts: 5,871	I haven't played FFX so I can't comment on it but the last FF game I've really enjoyed was FF7. FF8 and 9 failed to meet my expectations and really created a dent in my faith in Square. I think it's time for Square to renovate the series, especially the dated battle system. __________________ CPU: Intel Core 2 Quad Q9450 Mobo: Intel DX48BT2 Memory: 8192 MB PC10600 DDR3 Videocard: PNY Geforce 9800 GX2 Soundcard: On-board SigmaTel High Definition Audio Hard drive: 1 TB Seagate & 1 TB Hitachi Optical drive: LG GGW-H20L (2x BD-R DL) PSU: Nexus 1000 Watt OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate (64-bit)

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Mr. Killjoy Translator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Somewhere I don't belong (La Rochelle, France) Posts: 7,804	The Xenogears system is the best IMO... combo usage is a real plus __________________ Leader of "The Pessimists' Club" CPU: Core 2 Q6600@3GHz - RAM: 4GB DDR2 (Corsair PC6400) VGA: (Frying) GF8800GTS 512MB - Monitor: H233H 23" 1920x1080 Mobo: Gigabyte EP35C-DS3R - PSU: Antec NeoPower Blue 650w 24Mb/1Mb ADSL - Windows 7 Ultimate --------------------------------------------- All ePSXe plugins up-to-date http://mrkilljoy.deviantart.com/

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^______^ i love you all :) Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: happy happy land Posts: 74	bah ff8 doesnt suck mmkay =( __________________

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Exodus ...and now they do. Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Null Posts: 16,916	hmmm... at this point, FF is just a name to sell games. the final fantasys would be the same game if their names would be changed. squaresoft would still release an RPG, might as well call it FF to get the ball rolling and make that extra money off the series' name. btw, ^____^'s sig is very distracting when trying to post ... in a good way. __________________ No, I don't like anime, Street Fighter, Japanese music or download video game music. Yes, I know, I'm weird.

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Decoy_Octopus Master of Disguise Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Here... again... Posts: 1,508	too many sequels=tomb raider. they should have stopped at 2 __________________ "I contend that any game that draws people in is a good thing, because the more people play computer games, the more the hobby becomes legitimized and loses its social-retard status."- Jeff Green

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Exodus ...and now they do. Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Null Posts: 16,916	theres nothing wrong with sequals, its an excellent marketing strategy. __________________ No, I don't like anime, Street Fighter, Japanese music or download video game music. Yes, I know, I'm weird.

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Kane 邪魔ゎ指せない Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Gosport, England Posts: 26,305	..Xenosaga is Namco's baby, not Square's __________________ >Site Live< Pop over to my site for help with setting up PSX emulators. Help for the Final Fantasies and other RPGs avalaible Celes: (Desktop) Athlon 64 X2 4200+, 2Gb 400MHz DDR Ram, MSI K8N Platinum, GeForce 8800 GTS 320Mb, 500Gb RAID HDD, Vista Business Erika: (MCPC) Athlon XP 2400+, 1Gb 400MHz DDR Ram, geForce 6800 256Mb, 80Gb Hdd, XP 2005 MCE Kimiko: (Desktop 2) Athlon 64 3000+, 512Mb 400MHz DDR Ram, Asus K8V, geForce 6800 128Mb

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_E_ Lurking Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Gone Posts: 8,958	Xenosaga isnt developed any longer by sqaure, Namco is taking in instead edit: Kane beat me to it......... __________________ -= Moral cowardice that keeps us from speaking our minds is as dangerous to this country as irresponsible talk. The right way is not always =- the popular and easy way. Standing for right when it is unpopular is a true test of moral character. Margaret C. Smith

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Exodus ...and now they do. Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Null Posts: 16,916	hey, the "lord" is back in, huh Kane? __________________ No, I don't like anime, Street Fighter, Japanese music or download video game music. Yes, I know, I'm weird.