Where is all the Xbox stuff ?

[Johnmiceter]

I'm just wondering why there is no Xbox Emulation stuff, or nothing to do with Xbox on here. Isn't anyone making any Emultors for Xbox like PSX or N64 or anything like this ?

I used to own a Dreamcast and used to love all the Emu's out for that on DC like: Bleem, SNES, NES, Genesis, and even MAME.

Even though DC couldn't handle Mame to well still ran good on some games.

And on Xbox , it would run even better, so why are there nothing for Xbox at all ?

[Ninjaa]

It's mostly because hardly anyone in the emulation scene really likes the Xbox (Before I get flamed, notice I DID NOT say all?). It's becoming somewhat popular in the mainstream US market, but the hardcore gamer will most often shun it, and as a result, it's taking a while for it to catch hold, and the other consoles still run circles around it anyways.

Let's just all hope that it dies soon, ok?

[jegHegy]

there is already an xbox emulator in the works called cxbx, but it CANNOT work any games yet. don't ask when it could, or what kind of specs will it need, please.
dunno if ngemu is interested in xbox emulation

nyaa

[Johnmiceter]

But Xbox would easily be the best system to run all these Emulators.

Man , it's agot a 733 mhz CPU and a cross between a geforce 3 and 4.
Most peoples pc's arn't even that good.

Anyway, I think the Xbox could run any Emualator BETTER then any other Current Console, specially the PS2 .

Anyway, why can't people see a quality console when Xbox clearly is

[Ninjaa]

Because the Xbox is a piece of crap that has no games of its own, so it must tout it's inflated specs? FYI, The GameCube, and even the lowly PS2 can perform just as well as the Xbox if the games are properly coded.

Look past Microsoft's BS advertising, and you will see that. Do you see any games on Xbox that are clearly superior in graphics quality to Metroid Prime? I think not. Can you explain that?

There are about 5 games for the Xbox that are any good, and there are a LOT more for the other 2 consoles. Specs do not make a good console, the games do. And that's where the Xbox has ultimately failed.

And just so you know, my PC, as well as most people's PCs here in these forums can easily run circles around an Xbox. The best console for emulation, is, and always will be a PC. If the Xbox is the best console for emulation, it's only because it is in fact a PC.

Why not just use your PC to run an emulator, and save us all the hassle?

[Johnmiceter]

Well I don't think Metroid Prime is better looking then Splinter Cell, no way.

Xbox is not a piece of crap , it's a top console and wish people would give it a chance. I can say heaps more bad things about the PS2 but I won't because I'm talking about Emulation for the Console, not which has the best games on it now.

And BTW, I have a P4 2 gig and a geforce 4 ti 4400 Asus card, and 512 megs of ddr ram, and I'm sorry I even got it, because I enjoy playing games and emu's on my Xbox. But so far I've only found xSNES9X one and a Genesis one, but I think it could easily handle PSX games and even N64 games and would love to play them on my xbox instead of on my crappy PC.

Anyway, I'm just saying Xbox is easily powerful enough for these Emulators and would be the best choice for them to go on if any.

[Rhombus]

Alot of people don't have all the money to support the top PC hardware parts necessary for games to look as good as they do on today's console. If you're someone who likes PC games, but don't have the money or patience to keep your PC up to date and configure everything properly, the XBox offers a bunch of quality PC-style titles (Hitman2, Splinter Cell, Unreal Championship, Ghost Recon, Mech Assault, Halo) in addition to other "console-style" games (MGS2 Substance, DOA games, etc.)

As a host for emulation there is some potential, cause of its similarity to PC architecture. And indeed the graphics capabilities are better than most peoples' PC's, but the processor is much slower. And since it is still a console it has dedicated hardware for graphics processing which may not emulate the hardware of another complicated console (DC and later consoles) very well.

__________________

Processor: Athlon 64 3400+ Mobo: MSI K8T Neo-FIS2R RAM: 1 GB Corsair XMS GFX Card: Sapphire Radeon 9800 Pro 128 Sound Card: SB Audigy 2 ZS HDD1: Seagate 160MB 8MB 7200 HDD2: Seagate 80MB 8MB 7200 Burner: NEC 16x DVDR Keyboard/Mouse: Logitech Cordless MX Duo USB Gamepad1: PS2 Dual Analog/KiKY X USB Gamepad2: Gravis GamePad Pro OS: Windows XP Pro sp2

Tempus fugit et nos fugimus in illus.

Fiat justitia; ruat coelum.

[Gamer1]

I don't like the xbox because it doesn't have enough games on it and i don't want another saturn repeat.

and i don't buy consoles only on its hardware features. i buy consoles for games.

i laugh at people who bought the ps2 just because of its dvd feature. didn't they know that they could get a better dvd player for $50?

if the Q ever gets released here in america, i wouldn't give a rat's a$$ about it. 1, it would cost 50 - 150 dollars more than the regular gamecube, and again... i could get a better dvd player at that price.

---------------------------------------

about 6 months ago, i though that i could be seeing epsxe in the xbox, becuase of the linux project. but it looks like that it got canned because of microsoft. I thought that i can get a really cheap pc or a webserver for $200....

but then again... i don't like emus being emulated on consoles. it takes away the point why i am emulating games. but then again... i could just hook it up with a vga monitor, and then it IS a pc (if linux ever gets to be on the xbox).

__________________
Iris: (Proc:Intel Pentium4 2.8Ghz w/ HT UNLOCKED @ 15x200) (Mobo: Asus P4C800-E) (RAM: Corsair XMS 2x512MB DDR400) (HDD 1: Seagate 80GB, 8MB Buffer, 7200 RPM) (Disk Drive 1: Lite-On 16x DVD Burner 1673S) (GFX Card: Radeon 9800 All-In-Wonder Pro 128MB) (Sound Card: Sound Blaster Audigy)

Morrigan: (Proc:AMD Athlon 2500+ @ 11x200) (Mobo: Asrock K7V88) (RAM: Corsair XMS 512MB DDR400) (HDD 1: Seagate 80GB, 8MB Buffer, 7200 RPM) (Disk Drive 1: NEC 16x DVD Burner 3200AG) (GFX Card: Radeon 920064MB) (Sound Card: Sound Blaster Live! 5.1)

[Rhombus]

I think a primary factor is money. I don't think people bought the PS2 BECAUSE it was a DVD player, but if you can get a DVD player built-in to the game system then why not? That's 50 dollars saved right there. I don't know about you, but to me 50 bucks is alot.

__________________

Processor: Athlon 64 3400+ Mobo: MSI K8T Neo-FIS2R RAM: 1 GB Corsair XMS GFX Card: Sapphire Radeon 9800 Pro 128 Sound Card: SB Audigy 2 ZS HDD1: Seagate 160MB 8MB 7200 HDD2: Seagate 80MB 8MB 7200 Burner: NEC 16x DVDR Keyboard/Mouse: Logitech Cordless MX Duo USB Gamepad1: PS2 Dual Analog/KiKY X USB Gamepad2: Gravis GamePad Pro OS: Windows XP Pro sp2

Tempus fugit et nos fugimus in illus.

Fiat justitia; ruat coelum.

[Ninjaa]

Originally posted by Johnmiceter
Well I don't think Metroid Prime is better looking then Splinter Cell, no way.

It might surprise you to know this, but Splinter Cell looks every bit as good on GameCube and PS2 as it does on Xbox. You can see for yourself when it comes out early next year.

Originally posted by Johnmiceter
Xbox is not a piece of crap , it's a top console and wish people would give it a chance. I can say heaps more bad things about the PS2 but I won't because I'm talking about Emulation for the Console, not which has the best games on it now.

Let me tell you this. I am a Nintendo fanboy, and even I have run out of bad things to say about the PS2. Like it or not, Sony has won the console war, and nothing can change that. The Xbox is in last place, and it doesn't look like that will be changing anytime soon.

As for emulation purposes, yes, a PC is the best thing for emulation. I still don't see why you would prefer to use an emulator on a PC-imitation than on a real thing, but hey, whatever floats your boat.

Originally posted by Johnmiceter
Anyway, I'm just saying Xbox is easily powerful enough for these Emulators and would be the best choice for them to go on if any.

Yes, it probably could handle the emulators. However, a PC can handle them better, and without the legal problems. I don't see your point.

[Gamer1]

Originally posted by Rhombus
I think a primary factor is money. I don't think people bought the PS2 BECAUSE it was a DVD player, but if you can get a DVD player built-in to the game system then why not? That's 50 dollars saved right there. I don't know about you, but to me 50 bucks is alot.

i meant a dvd player for only $50 not additional $50.... actually when the ps2 got realeased ($300) they could have just bought a $50 dollar dvd player and saved another $50. for a game? I really believe that they should release a ps2 w/o dvd movie capability. That would have saved me $50 - $100 when i bought the ps2. since i already have a better dvd player (with more features, better picture playback, better compatability dvd playback... and you guessed it, for $50).


background info for those who doesn't get what i'm talking about:

*on better compatibilty, i mean that some movies just wont work on it. like my DBZ dvds... but it got fixed with the driver upgrade.

*on features, i mean it could play vcd, svcd, mp3.

*I'm talking about the Apex dvd player that i bought the same year as my ps2

__________________
Iris: (Proc:Intel Pentium4 2.8Ghz w/ HT UNLOCKED @ 15x200) (Mobo: Asus P4C800-E) (RAM: Corsair XMS 2x512MB DDR400) (HDD 1: Seagate 80GB, 8MB Buffer, 7200 RPM) (Disk Drive 1: Lite-On 16x DVD Burner 1673S) (GFX Card: Radeon 9800 All-In-Wonder Pro 128MB) (Sound Card: Sound Blaster Audigy)

Morrigan: (Proc:AMD Athlon 2500+ @ 11x200) (Mobo: Asrock K7V88) (RAM: Corsair XMS 512MB DDR400) (HDD 1: Seagate 80GB, 8MB Buffer, 7200 RPM) (Disk Drive 1: NEC 16x DVD Burner 3200AG) (GFX Card: Radeon 920064MB) (Sound Card: Sound Blaster Live! 5.1)

[Johnmiceter]

WEll Ninja, every PS2 game that gets ported to Xbox looks better and is better overall unless they don't include online play in the Xbox version. And when ever a Xbox game gets ported to the PS2 you can obviously see the differences in the 2, if not you may need glasses .

And if the Gamecube is more powerfull the nXbox, why is it when 3 games come out on the same console, Gamecube finds it hard even keeping up with the PS2 version. And this is words from the gaming sites themselves, not me.

Also, Xbox has lots of Quality games, well games I like anyway like:

Splinter Cell
Toe Jam & Earl 3
Halo
Oddworld
Dead or Alive 3
PGR
SHENMUE 2
SEGA GT 2002
Unreal Championships (online is fun as hell )
plus many other multi console games which are always better on xbox.

And this game

Project Ego (could not be done on any other console period)

Anyway, I didn't come here to start a flame war just to ask a question, but it's obvious many people don't like Xbox on here.

Ohh well

[Alias]

FYI the dreamcast had difficulty with its MAME emulator not because of the hardware, but because the programmers were having difficulty properly programming the emulator (bugs were being worked out, but I guess they just stop working on it).

Its true that xbox probably can handle N64 and psx emus jsut fine, but there are few programmer willing to code/ port emulators onto the xbox, mainly because of the reasons ninja stated.

Will there be emulators for the xbox in the future? most likely, but who cares? those emulators run just fine on the PC and all of Xbox's shaders won't do that much to enhance games more than the PC can (unless the emu developers specifically code each game with new effects... something I highly doubt).

Speaking of N64 emulation, does the gamecube emulate the N64 (with higher res and better framerate) for zelda: OoT or do u think they ported the code over and re tweaked it? I wonder if the disc is going to be something like FF: anthlogy or chronicles (a smarter move in my opinion since they're giving the discs away for free).

And i've been wondering this for a long time (and going OT) but, ninja what is your avatar supposed to be?

__________________
>_<

[Rhombus]

I couple reasons why XBox isn't popular with the NGEmu community. One, many many of the members here are RPG addicts, and there's not much in that department on the XBox so far. Many members are big fans of more anime-style or "japanese"-style games, which, of the 3 consoles XBox has the least of (cause it's developed by a US company). Also, since most people in here are also PC gamers and very PC-literate most people prefer the actual PC over many of the XBox's PC-style games.

__________________

Processor: Athlon 64 3400+ Mobo: MSI K8T Neo-FIS2R RAM: 1 GB Corsair XMS GFX Card: Sapphire Radeon 9800 Pro 128 Sound Card: SB Audigy 2 ZS HDD1: Seagate 160MB 8MB 7200 HDD2: Seagate 80MB 8MB 7200 Burner: NEC 16x DVDR Keyboard/Mouse: Logitech Cordless MX Duo USB Gamepad1: PS2 Dual Analog/KiKY X USB Gamepad2: Gravis GamePad Pro OS: Windows XP Pro sp2

Tempus fugit et nos fugimus in illus.

Fiat justitia; ruat coelum.

[Johnmiceter]

Originally posted by Rhombus
I couple reasons why XBox isn't popular with the NGEmu community. One, many many of the members here are RPG addicts, and there's not much in that department on the XBox so far. Many members are big fans of more anime-style or "japanese"-style games, which, of the 3 consoles XBox has the least of (cause it's developed by a US company). Also, since most people in here are also PC gamers and very PC-literate most people prefer the actual PC over many of the XBox's PC-style games.

Ok then, anyway i was just wondering cause I really like the xbox and thought it has a lot of potential if people just gave it a chance.

Thanks anyway. I'm going to get back to playing Splinter cell

[Ninjaa]

Originally posted by Johnmiceter
WEll Ninja, every PS2 game that gets ported to Xbox looks better and is better overall unless they don't include online play in the Xbox version. And when ever a Xbox game gets ported to the PS2 you can obviously see the differences in the 2, if not you may need glasses .

By that logic, the PS2 version of Need For Speed: Hot Pursuit 2 must really suck then eh? (Check the reviews out to see what I mean.)

Originally posted by Johnmiceter
And if the Gamecube is more powerfull the nXbox, why is it when 3 games come out on the same console, Gamecube finds it hard even keeping up with the PS2 version. And this is words from the gaming sites themselves, not me.

Well, I know that the GameCube version of 007: Agent Under Fire surpassed the Xbox port, not by much. It was still better.

Originally posted by Johnmiceter
Also, Xbox has lots of Quality games, well games I like anyway like:

Splinter Cell
Toe Jam & Earl 3
Halo
Oddworld
Dead or Alive 3
PGR
SHENMUE 2
SEGA GT 2002
Unreal Championships (online is fun as hell )

And I could post a lot longer list for PS2 or GameCube, but I choose not to, as I don't think it would do any good.

Originally posted by Johnmiceter
plus many other multi console games which are always better on xbox.

Just what exactly is this mysterious game?

Originally posted by Johnmiceter
Project Ego (could not be done on any other console period)

Why not? Just curious.

[Gamer1]

I'm not an rpg addict... i'm really a action/ adventure 2d scroller addict. like megaman....

i'm also addicted to gun games like time crisis, house of the dead, and virtua cop

I hate sports games, fps, racing... let's see what else...

I try to stay away from rpgs as much as i can... i find most rpgs boring... final fantasy 8, dragon quest 7, legend of mana... there are also borderline rpgs like legend of dragoon.

Maybe there are so many rpg addicts because there are so many psx sold? and rpgs ruled at that system...

starfox64 could still win against final fantasy 7... i'm also addicted to starfox 64 and mario kart 64, i can't stop playing it to this day. although i hate the snes version of starfox... control really makes or breaks the game. i also look at mario kart vs mario kart 64... mario kart sucks compared to its n64 sequel, control... its all about controll, maybe if the n64 had a different controller design... maybe its games could have been batter (waiting on ninja for his response about nintendo controller design )

__________________
Iris: (Proc:Intel Pentium4 2.8Ghz w/ HT UNLOCKED @ 15x200) (Mobo: Asus P4C800-E) (RAM: Corsair XMS 2x512MB DDR400) (HDD 1: Seagate 80GB, 8MB Buffer, 7200 RPM) (Disk Drive 1: Lite-On 16x DVD Burner 1673S) (GFX Card: Radeon 9800 All-In-Wonder Pro 128MB) (Sound Card: Sound Blaster Audigy)

Morrigan: (Proc:AMD Athlon 2500+ @ 11x200) (Mobo: Asrock K7V88) (RAM: Corsair XMS 512MB DDR400) (HDD 1: Seagate 80GB, 8MB Buffer, 7200 RPM) (Disk Drive 1: NEC 16x DVD Burner 3200AG) (GFX Card: Radeon 920064MB) (Sound Card: Sound Blaster Live! 5.1)

[Recca]

Not to be mean but everything you said is a bunch of load, with the upcoming GFFX a pc would beat an XBOX in all means and would be able to play both SPLINTER CELL AND PROJECT EGO.
Splinter cell is coming to the pc cause if it were for xbox only tom clancy would go broke and i expect the same thing for Project Ego.
Even halo is being ported so there is no game on the XBOX wich we basicly can't play, cause of the extremly little popularity of xbox, so every company would litteraly go down the hill if they didn't make their games for PC or PS2

__________________
この世に悪があるとすれば、
それは人の心だ。

エドワ-ド・D・モリスン

[Rhombus]

I don't think RPG addicts are in the majority at all in the general public. This forum gives a skewed view of RPG gaming though just cause so many members here are RPG fans. I mean just look at the number of Final Fantasy and other Square RPG related threads here. In reality RPG's may be one of the less popular genres. Generally sports titles and fighting games are the top sellers on consoles. Platformers/shooters/action games probably follow right behind in terms of popularity and game sales. Then RPG's.

In PC games simulation/strategy games are at the top (The Sims has become the best-selling PC franchise of all time, with over 20 million copies sold). Then FPS, then RPG's, and then sports.

__________________

Processor: Athlon 64 3400+ Mobo: MSI K8T Neo-FIS2R RAM: 1 GB Corsair XMS GFX Card: Sapphire Radeon 9800 Pro 128 Sound Card: SB Audigy 2 ZS HDD1: Seagate 160MB 8MB 7200 HDD2: Seagate 80MB 8MB 7200 Burner: NEC 16x DVDR Keyboard/Mouse: Logitech Cordless MX Duo USB Gamepad1: PS2 Dual Analog/KiKY X USB Gamepad2: Gravis GamePad Pro OS: Windows XP Pro sp2

Tempus fugit et nos fugimus in illus.

Fiat justitia; ruat coelum.

[Ninjaa]

Originally posted by Gamer1
waiting on ninja for his response about nintendo controller design

Heh. I am well aware that many people hated the N64 controller design, so I won't argue too much. I personally liked it, but I know I am a member of the minority, so I usually keep my mouth shut when people bash the N64 controller.

If it had been a GAMECUBE controller, well... then you might have seen some fireworks.

Rhombus, I think that FPS games are at the top of the PC Gamer's list myself. It's just that there are so many of them, that no one game sells 20 million copies.