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[Kane]

Stop being freaking blind!

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[Exophase]

There's this thing called opinion. Sure, you can blame advertising and bad company politics and whatever but chances are PSX and PS2 sold better because more people liked more games for both systems. DC didn't have enough games, in general. I'm a big RPG fan and looking at DC it had about two RPGs, one of which was ported to PC and PS2, the other which will be ported to GCN (and this is probably why you have to consider games like RE and Shenmue "great RPGs")

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I am not blind,....if you didnt notice, i do agree with most of what you said,...but in my personal opnion, i think that most sega games are good ( which what you and i disagree about)

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[Kane]

You were saying that they are all great, which they aren't. Everyone produces eggs. Look at Ion Storm. 3 eggs in a row, then Deus Ex.

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Lord Kane, dont you agree with me that the PSX had LOADS of that rubbish stuff ? I mean look at the "good game/bad game" ratio in both consoles,..........

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the DC has LOADS AND LOADS of rubbish as well. really...
I was kinda dissapointed even.

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ahh,.....i am really diasppointed that the dreamcast was gone, i guess i was kinda blind in this thread, but i really liked it,......( I even feel sorry for the GameGear since its an old, but yet powerful gamepad and had many good games- Royal Stone on GameGear was simply amazing)

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[Kane]

Yes, the PSX had loads of rubbish stuff. The DC also has loads of rubbish stuff, as will any console. That's the point I'm making. You seem to be saying that Sega were infalible, and the fact is that they are not.
They would still be alive if they were.

The DC died because of Sega. Others had effect, but Sega are most to blame

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No company is Perfect, Lord Kane, and just let me end this up right now,...most sega's products are great,....they killed themselves alright, but they are still alive and releasing games for GC and PS2,.....we might not see another sega console for the next 5 years

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[Ninjaa]

I actually agree with you Kingstar. Sega's games are mostly quite good. Their 1st party games are almost always top notch. There are crappy games on their systems in the form of 3rd parties, as with all systems, but their 1st party games still made the good to rubbish ratio quite nice.

And I would think that the leading cause of the Dreamcast's downfall was the PS2. Sales in Japan and Europe were quite low, because almost everyone thought the PS2 would be loads more powerful, and would wipe the floor with the DC. (That is VERY debatable when looking back)

The second cause of the Dreamcast's death was the poor track record with Sega's previous consoles. They had all died fairly horrible deaths, and Sega's reputation wasn't good enough to put a lot of power behind the Dreamcast. People just no longer trusted Sega.

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To say the truth,.....the wrong release of Sega's Saturn was the begining of sega's trajedy in console industry , ninja

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[Ninjaa]

Yeah, I kind of implied that.

[Exophase]

What's more important, ratios or actual numbers? Sega has proved several times that a decent first party simply isn't enough, just like Nintendo has with N64... I'd rather have a system with a poor good game/bad game ratio than one that had a better ratio, but less good games total...

[average_guy]

the only thing i liked about nintendo is supersmash and the only thing i liked about sony is final fantasy, and i don't like any games on xbox for some reason.

[Rhombus]

Yeah, I mean for the ratio thing I still think about NES and SNES... both systems had huge, HUGE amounts of really crappy games (you just don't remember them cause they sucked so much)... but they also had quite alot of good games and that's all that matters. And yeah, 1st party support is really not that important really. The bulk of games, good games and bad games alike, come from 3rd party companies. 1st party games are much fewer and number, and regardless of the console or designer can't single-handedly support the console. Look at Sony and the PSX. Of all the console manufacturers, Sony has probably made the least amount of games. Sony themselves didn't make all that many games (although the ones they made were usually solid), they relied on the 3rd party support, and that was a smart way of doing things.

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[average_guy]

if 3rd parties turn over to nintendo or bought off by m$, then sony would be screwed

[Syed Fawad]

Originally posted by Lord Kane
RE is a Survival Horror. Shenmue is an Action/ Adventure. That's the point Exo is making. They are as much RPGs as Street Fighter and Mario 64.

The genre of Shenmue is a point of debate. RPGamer, Gamespot and IGN declares it as an RPG.

I say that it is a hybrid of various genres. Fighting, beat 'em up, racing, adventure, RPG, etc.

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[Strider]

>if 3rd parties turn over to nintendo or bought off by m$, then sony would be screwed

not necessarily true, sony could persevere through practically anything, theyre about as big as microsoft, and i dont mean in the games industry... sure ms makes lots of money from windows but sony makes billions off all the electronics they make, for them, to make a few thousand ps2s and making a couple new games is like spending pocketchange at the mall

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[average_guy]

Originally posted by Strider
>if 3rd parties turn over to nintendo or bought off by m$, then sony would be screwed

not necessarily true, sony could persevere through practically anything, theyre about as big as microsoft, and i dont mean in the games industry... sure ms makes lots of money from windows but sony makes billions off all the electronics they make, for them, to make a few thousand ps2s and making a couple new games is like spending pocketchange at the mall

still, sony reliay on their 3rd party developer too much, its too risky

[Ninjaa]

Strider, Sony relies completely on 3rd parties. Nintendo is the only one from the current generation who has proved that they can live without 3rd parties. Sony and MS would both be doomed if not for 3rd parties. Their 1st party games are decidedly lackluster. (Although MS does have quite a lead in that area now with the addition of Rare)