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[Ninjaa]

Alright, fair enough, but I don't think that the lineup is any better on PS2. It's pretty much equivalent, only without Nintendo's mascots. (Mind you that the PS2 does have some pretty nice RPGs though).

What about Metroid Prime, Resident Evil, Eternal Darkness, and Glass Rose though? I don't see many games like those on PS2's lineup.

[Kane]

Silent Hill, Devil May Cry anyone?
An FPS to tackle an unreleased game, I'll leave it till I play it.
What my brother said to me is 'I'm a big kid. That's why I like the GC. You are a serious gamer, and so you like the PS2'

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[Ninjaa]

I don't know. I am a bit of a big kid, but I am also a serious gamer. I find that the GameCube does quite well in both departments.

Admittedly, the GameCube is lacking Silent Hill, but I think that Resident Evil and Eternal Darkness more than make up for that. As for DMC, Glass Rose should be able to take that on fairly well, although I don't know much about it to tell you the truth. If not, then Metroid Prime will kick all kinds of butt when it comes out. And it's an ADVENTURE game, not an fps.

But Star Fox Adventures comes out tomorrow. (In the US at any rate. We'll probably get it day after tommorrow in Canada). That game should do a lot more than be comparable to anything on the PS2. It's rated T I believe.

[Kane]

Ninja, just because something is rated T, doesn't mean it's an adult game.

I concede that there are non kiddy games on the system, but I still stand by my opinion that it is a kiddy system which happens to have adult themed games on it.

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[Ninjaa]

lol. Alrighty then.

*laughs at the PS2's lineup*

Can't help it if you are wrong, and too stubborn to admit it. I think if we started comparing the lists of released Mature games, and the upcoming Mature games for both systems, you would lose quite badly.

But as you say, a rating doesn't determine whether a game is meant for kids or not. Neither does a graphical approach.

[Syed Fawad]

Why are laughing at the PS2's lineup? I am having a tough time deciding which ones to buy and which ones to leave for a later time. I can't save enough.

As for the kiddie part, well it'll be cleared up when BMX XXX will be released on GC

For the PS2's lineup:

Onimusha2, Kingdom Hearts, Tekken4, GTA VC, Smackdown4, Suikoden3, Star Ocean3, DMC2, Xenosaga, Silent Hill3.

There are my personal games that I will try at some stage later or now. A for Glass Rose, I donno but I also saw it on the PS2's soone-tobe-released games somewhere.

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[Decoy_Octopus]

dont forget about Red Faction 2

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[Syed Fawad]

Yup I also forgot ICO2, Dark Cloud2, Summonar2 and the GT Concept 03.

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[Exophase]

I think both systems have a good share of both "kiddy" and "mature" games. Mature should not been something superficial like how much blood and gore it has, or how much profanity, violence, and sexuality... but I would define mature as something that will not be as enjoyable to the typical younger player. For instance, Xenogears could be considered a mature game.

It's not that GCN has kiddy games, it's that Nintendo's games tend to have a kiddy element to them, but that doesn't mean they're only enjoyable to little kids. Quite the contrary, they appeal to all age groups. They just tend to be "kid friendly", so to speak, and nothing's really wrong with that. They tend to be colorful, inoffensive, and noncontroversial, but not lacking in challenge or gameplay.

As far as Nintendo-like games go, they're good for the market, but they're definitely not the only things that should be out there. There's a place for those type of games, and there's a place for games that are of a deeper nature. Undoubtedly deeper games have their benefits to certain demographics.

The only truly kiddy games we could do without are those that are simply milking a label that appeals to children, or tries to offer some weak "edutainment" value to draw in parents.

- Exo

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Originally posted by Ninja
lol. Alrighty then.

*laughs at the PS2's lineup*

Can't help it if you are wrong, and too stubborn to admit it. I think if we started comparing the lists of released Mature games, and the upcoming Mature games for both systems, you would lose quite badly.

But as you say, a rating doesn't determine whether a game is meant for kids or not. Neither does a graphical approach.

why are guys arguing about GC and PS2 games line up? do you expect only RPGs and Mature stuff for one console only? when nintendo and sony released their consoles, it was targeted towards all ages, not to particular age, and thats why we see games rangings from kiddies stuff to sports and RPG,.....etc. When you want to compare two games consoles, you should compare games of the same genre, its not fair to comapare, for example, a pokemon stadium with a Metal Gear Solid II !!?!

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Originally posted by Ninja
As for Xbox, Rare really worries me. Tecmo does too, but to a lesser degree. I am no longer nearly as confident as I was that the Xbox will die a horrible death. Now it seems to be just wishful thinking.

Microsoft has a LOT of money and they really dont seem to planning a possible failure of the xbox.
They can affort the losses, and are also big enough to take over some good game companies.

[Rhombus]

I don't know which console is more "kiddy" and I don't really care. I just know that Nintendo will always be viewed as the more kiddy console and for one simple reason. Sure both systems have kiddy games and both systems have mature games. But whenever someone thinks of Nintendo they think of the 1st party franchises, which are Nintendo's colorful and bright characters, Mario, Luigi, Yoshi, Link, Star Fox, etc. These games may not truely be kiddy, but the graphic design portrays it that way. And these games are the foundation and flagship franchises for Nintendo - so even if there's not that many kiddy games, Nintendo and Nintendo's kiddy looking mascots are inextricably bound together in most people's mind making the kiddy label almost impossible to shake.

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[Alias]

which is how sega succeeded with its sonic franchise because they marketed the image of "cool." In fact, and I feel real shallow for admitting this, but that's why i've always like sonic over mario, he just seems "cooler" (along with his soundtracks for the games). Now only if sega could've been that succesful with its other business ventures.... oh well.

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[Rhombus]

Yeah, that was also what Sony tried to do with Crash Bandicoot, especially in their US marketing campaign. Trying to make him rebellious, funny, witty and cool and to out-Sonic, Sonic. I guess it kinda worked too, cause Crash Bandicoot looks like a big doofy weird kiddy character, yet Crash has more credibility and less kiddy feeling among non-kids. Although he obviously never got as popular as Sonic or even close, but still.

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Sonic is completly diferent than crash bandicot, he was based on a TV show, and he's really cool and fast,.....if you had a look at sonic classic games, you ll notice that people loved "the collect 100 rings or more then battle the boss" gameplay. i even like it myself. Sonic was an innovative idea at his time. The only crash bandicot game i liked was crash team racing,..... , it was so funny playing dirty games on other racers by placing bombs and nuking them,........etc

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[Rhombus]

Um... I believe the show was based on the game, not the other way around. And yeah, the game play of Crash Bandicoot was nothing like Sonic, I didn't say that it was. I'm just saying they tried to market Crash in a Sonic-esque way, to look cool and bad-ass instead of kiddy.

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yeah, at that point, i agree with you,.....to say the truth, most japanese comapnies imitate others, then improve it a little bit to produce another product. The only Japanese company i respect and admire is Sega. they are the only ones who innovate, not imitate, and Sonic is the best example of innovation..........

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[Ninjaa]

Exophase! I am shocked at you! For once we are in complete and total agreement! We should mark this day on the calendar. (no sarcasm intended. Just genuinely surprised and overjoyed)

Syed, I don't think that even if the GameCube had a complete lineup of BMX XXX, BMX XXX 2, Pr0n, Pr0n 2, and games such as Bloody Racing, Gorey Racing, Prostitution 101, and a single Mario game, Lord Kane would still argue that it is a kiddie system that happens to have Mature games. It's the perfect argument in that it's true of absolutely ANY system, as every system is bound to have at least one game that he could call kiddie. On GameCube I guess he thinks that Pikmin and Mario are kiddie, and the others just happen to be there. It's nothing that I can argue, I just wish that he would rephrase it. as for mocking the PS2 lineup, I apologize. I just have a little tunnel vision of my own at present trying to figure out how I can get the games I need.

Smooth Playa, I have never understood how Crash Bandicoot gained any kind of popularity. He always seemed kind of stupid to me. Especially when people would start bashing Mario as being a kiddie game, then start raving about the new Crash Bandicoot game. It always just seemed to be ultimately retarded to me. I never really played any Crash Bandicoot games other than CTR, but that game seemed to be a knockoff of Mario Kart more than anything.

Kingstar, Nintendo and Sega both do a fair amount of innovation. Mario and Sonic have always represented two different directions of platformers, and it's always kind of intrigued me how the two platformers could always be so different. They evolved totally seperately, and it still shows today. (Mario's still da man though. )

[Syed Fawad]

Originally posted by Ninja

Syed, I don't think that even if the GameCube had a complete lineup of BMX XXX, BMX XXX 2, Pr0n, Pr0n 2, and games such as Bloody Racing, Gorey Racing, Prostitution 101,

Cool lineup. Where did you get them? Are those for XXXBOX only? LMAO

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[Rhombus]

I'm in no way complementing or defending Crash Bandicoot. I'm just saying I think the success of the franchise was due largely to Sony's marketing of him as a cool and hip icon (despite his goofy appearance). I personally don't own any Crash games, and those that I have played, I think are decent, but nothing that special. I'd pick Mario or Sonic over Crash any day.

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