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Rhombus · October 14th, 2002

I agree that the quality of other companies' FMV, like Capcom, Konami, Namco, etc are as good as Squaresoft, but Square's are still far superior. Why? Cause they have that amazing quality but also their FMV's are VERRRYY long... much longer than competitor's fully CG FMV's.

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Ninjaa · October 14th, 2002

hmmm.... Have you seen the new intro for Resident Evil on GameCube? It's quite good, and also pretty long.

But overall, I guess you are right. Square does seem to pack in a lot of FMV in their games. Contrary to you though, I would consider that a drawback rather than an advantage. I really do prefer cinematics to FMV.

Rhombus · October 14th, 2002

Eh, I never said it was an advantage... I just said that it was quite impressive. I definitely don't think CG is essential to a game, and I really don't think that FMV makes or breaks a game. I'm kinda neutral on CG FMV... if done right, and in moderation it can add to a game, but if it gets too overblown it can take away.

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**Kane** · October 14th, 2002

In which case, Xenosage will probs not appeal. There is an FMV sequence in it that lasts 25-30 minutes.

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Rhombus · October 14th, 2002

Surprising, because Xenogears used almost no FMV. It had huge amount of story-telling cinema scenes, but all done within the flow of the game using the game engine, and I found this to be much cooler and more smooth flowing. While it did have the anime cutscenes they were very few and very far between. I think this is one of the reasons it was overshadowed by its contemporaries, FF8 and Parasite Eve... silly people care too much about the CG FMV eye candy.

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**Kane** · October 14th, 2002

Yes Xenogears whooped the A$$ of FF, but I don't feel that FF X suffered due to everuse of FMV, it was more that the Hero's 'problem' was too unreal.

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Ninjaa · October 14th, 2002

Lord Kane....

****XENOGEARS DISC 1 SPOILERS AHEAD (like 50 hours into the game)****

I didn't mind the FMV in Xenogears so much. It blended quite well with the gameplay. (The scene in the forest at the beginning of the game is an exception).

What I am referring to is the destruction of Solaris. There was quite a bit of FMV in that scene, yet it didn't bother me because the regular graphics don't really look all that different. Solaris coming down I think was better shown as an FMV than as a cinematic actually. It showed a lot more detail, and on an event like that, you pretty much need it.

****CHRONO TRIGGER SPOILER****

When Zeal Kingdom came down in Chrono Trigger, I have actually always wanted to see that in FMV form. I know it's kind of stupid, considering my stance on FMV. It's not that I don't like FMV, it's just that I think it's way too overused in a lot of games. (Final Fantasy mainly).

Phoenix · October 15th, 2002

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Originally posted by Ninja
I must play Sonic one day. That's on my to-do list.

Phoenix, I think that Capcom and Konami are pretty close to Square in terms of FMV.

No doubt about it. Squaresoft's FMVs are to FF style IMHO.
In the other hand and specificaly speaking I like the most RE's FMVs, they show the lights & shadows effects amazingly, just the way I like.
I meant that squaresoft had a huge graphical development resourse arsenal, remember that they are going to make a special CG for "The Matrix" IIRC. Capcom and Konami are as you say behind squaresoft's neck, it's just matter of tastes

. I'd like to see something like FF the spirits within made by Capcom or Konami, what do you think

Syed Fawad · October 15th, 2002

Talking about FMVs, anyone want to express their opinions about Silent Hill2's FMVs? IMO they are much much better than FFX's. Also Onimusha2's FMVs are there with the top.

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Kaiser Sigma · October 15th, 2002

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well I like Sonic very much! sometimes, I play it all over and over again just to perfect the gems(?) where you can transform Sonic into a saiyan like Sonic!

Yeah, you mean the chaos emeralds... man the best moment ever in a sonic game is in Sonic Adventures for the Dreamcast when you play the Super Sonic Scenario and Sonic turns into Supersonic after everyone give hime the emeralds...

average_guy · October 17th, 2002

Sonic is fine game for me at first, but after a few hours, i get bored of it.

chillypacman · October 17th, 2002

What exactly is xenogears about?

Kaiser Sigma · October 17th, 2002

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Originally posted by average_guy
Sonic is fine game for me at first, but after a few hours, i get bored of it.

mmm... wouldn't know, I never got tired of him... I loved the fast action of the game and also the charisma of the character...

Finalbuster · October 17th, 2002

Sonic was a cool game, but the stages were so big and Sonic was so fast, that it was hard for me to investigate each area carefully. And I never could get past that amusement park in SONIC 3!!! SOMEDAY, I'M REALLY GONNA TAKE MY REVENGE ON YOU, SONIC 3, MWAHAHAHAHA!!!

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Kaiser Sigma · October 17th, 2002

you better pass that part soon... the last stages of Sonic 3 are a jewel for the eye...

Finalbuster · October 17th, 2002

I got stuck in a part with that saucer thing that (I guess) you had to jump on it to make it go down with each jump... the thing is, I never made it go DOOOOWN... it was like... down... help anyone?

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Kaiser Sigma · October 17th, 2002

mmm... I can't remember quite well... wich act are you in ? (I gather that you are at the "Carniva"l something stage...)

Finalbuster · October 17th, 2002

there were two acts right? if I'm right... the second one??? you were on a room with no exit, and in front of you was this... spinning saucer... AGH!!!

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Kaiser Sigma · October 17th, 2002

if I'm not wrong you had to keep pressing down if you want the thing to take you down, don't jump or anything, just press down until you get to the place you want... I may not be right so try it and tell me... I'll see if I can find the solution if this doesn't work...

average_guy · October 17th, 2002

Quote:

Originally posted by Kaiser Sigma
you better pass that part soon... the last stages of Sonic 3 are a jewel for the eye...

you don't sound like the game, but u managed to beat it....

View Poll Results: Best Game Manufactures
Sega	6	7.69%
Squaresoft	38	48.72%
Nintendo	7	8.97%
Capcom	8	10.26%
Microsoft	0	0%
Sony ( not sure though)	1	1.28%
Sega and Nintendo	4	5.13%
Sega and Sqauresoft	2	2.56%
Rare	2	2.56%
none of the above	8	10.26%
Konami	2	2.56%
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October 14th, 2002	#321 (permalink)
Rhombus The Moogle Assassin Join Date: May 2002 Location: Boulder, Colorado Posts: 2,081	I agree that the quality of other companies' FMV, like Capcom, Konami, Namco, etc are as good as Squaresoft, but Square's are still far superior. Why? Cause they have that amazing quality but also their FMV's are VERRRYY long... much longer than competitor's fully CG FMV's. __________________ Processor: Athlon 64 3400+ Mobo: MSI K8T Neo-FIS2R RAM: 1 GB Corsair XMS GFX Card: Sapphire Radeon 9800 Pro 128 Sound Card: SB Audigy 2 ZS HDD1: Seagate 160MB 8MB 7200 HDD2: Seagate 80MB 8MB 7200 Burner: NEC 16x DVDR Keyboard/Mouse: Logitech Cordless MX Duo USB Gamepad1: PS2 Dual Analog/KiKY X USB Gamepad2: Gravis GamePad Pro OS: Windows XP Pro sp2 *Tempus fugit et nos fugimus in illus.* *Fiat justitia; ruat coelum.*

October 14th, 2002	#322 (permalink)
Ninjaa Banned Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Soviet Canuckistan Posts: 7,778	hmmm.... Have you seen the new intro for Resident Evil on GameCube? It's quite good, and also pretty long. But overall, I guess you are right. Square does seem to pack in a lot of FMV in their games. Contrary to you though, I would consider that a drawback rather than an advantage. I really do prefer cinematics to FMV.

October 14th, 2002	#323 (permalink)
Rhombus The Moogle Assassin Join Date: May 2002 Location: Boulder, Colorado Posts: 2,081	Eh, I never said it was an advantage... I just said that it was quite impressive. I definitely don't think CG is essential to a game, and I really don't think that FMV makes or breaks a game. I'm kinda neutral on CG FMV... if done right, and in moderation it can add to a game, but if it gets too overblown it can take away. __________________ Processor: Athlon 64 3400+ Mobo: MSI K8T Neo-FIS2R RAM: 1 GB Corsair XMS GFX Card: Sapphire Radeon 9800 Pro 128 Sound Card: SB Audigy 2 ZS HDD1: Seagate 160MB 8MB 7200 HDD2: Seagate 80MB 8MB 7200 Burner: NEC 16x DVDR Keyboard/Mouse: Logitech Cordless MX Duo USB Gamepad1: PS2 Dual Analog/KiKY X USB Gamepad2: Gravis GamePad Pro OS: Windows XP Pro sp2 *Tempus fugit et nos fugimus in illus.* *Fiat justitia; ruat coelum.*

October 14th, 2002	#324 (permalink)
Kane 邪魔ゎ指せない Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Gosport, England Posts: 26,305	In which case, Xenosage will probs not appeal. There is an FMV sequence in it that lasts 25-30 minutes. __________________ >Site Live< Pop over to my site for help with setting up PSX emulators. Help for the Final Fantasies and other RPGs avalaible Celes: (Desktop) Athlon 64 X2 4200+, 2Gb 400MHz DDR Ram, MSI K8N Platinum, GeForce 8800 GTS 320Mb, 500Gb RAID HDD, Vista Business Erika: (MCPC) Athlon XP 2400+, 1Gb 400MHz DDR Ram, geForce 6800 256Mb, 80Gb Hdd, XP 2005 MCE Kimiko: (Desktop 2) Athlon 64 3000+, 512Mb 400MHz DDR Ram, Asus K8V, geForce 6800 128Mb

October 14th, 2002	#325 (permalink)
Rhombus The Moogle Assassin Join Date: May 2002 Location: Boulder, Colorado Posts: 2,081	Surprising, because Xenogears used almost no FMV. It had huge amount of story-telling cinema scenes, but all done within the flow of the game using the game engine, and I found this to be much cooler and more smooth flowing. While it did have the anime cutscenes they were very few and very far between. I think this is one of the reasons it was overshadowed by its contemporaries, FF8 and Parasite Eve... silly people care too much about the CG FMV eye candy. __________________ Processor: Athlon 64 3400+ Mobo: MSI K8T Neo-FIS2R RAM: 1 GB Corsair XMS GFX Card: Sapphire Radeon 9800 Pro 128 Sound Card: SB Audigy 2 ZS HDD1: Seagate 160MB 8MB 7200 HDD2: Seagate 80MB 8MB 7200 Burner: NEC 16x DVDR Keyboard/Mouse: Logitech Cordless MX Duo USB Gamepad1: PS2 Dual Analog/KiKY X USB Gamepad2: Gravis GamePad Pro OS: Windows XP Pro sp2 *Tempus fugit et nos fugimus in illus.* *Fiat justitia; ruat coelum.*

October 14th, 2002	#326 (permalink)
Kane 邪魔ゎ指せない Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Gosport, England Posts: 26,305	Yes Xenogears whooped the A$$ of FF, but I don't feel that FF X suffered due to everuse of FMV, it was more that the Hero's 'problem' was too unreal. __________________ >Site Live< Pop over to my site for help with setting up PSX emulators. Help for the Final Fantasies and other RPGs avalaible Celes: (Desktop) Athlon 64 X2 4200+, 2Gb 400MHz DDR Ram, MSI K8N Platinum, GeForce 8800 GTS 320Mb, 500Gb RAID HDD, Vista Business Erika: (MCPC) Athlon XP 2400+, 1Gb 400MHz DDR Ram, geForce 6800 256Mb, 80Gb Hdd, XP 2005 MCE Kimiko: (Desktop 2) Athlon 64 3000+, 512Mb 400MHz DDR Ram, Asus K8V, geForce 6800 128Mb

October 14th, 2002	#327 (permalink)
Ninjaa Banned Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Soviet Canuckistan Posts: 7,778	Lord Kane.... **XENOGEARS DISC 1 SPOILERS AHEAD (like 50 hours into the game) I didn't mind the FMV in Xenogears so much. It blended quite well with the gameplay. (The scene in the forest at the beginning of the game is an exception). What I am referring to is the destruction of Solaris. There was quite a bit of FMV in that scene, yet it didn't bother me because the regular graphics don't really look all that different. Solaris coming down I think was better shown as an FMV than as a cinematic actually. It showed a lot more detail, and on an event like that, you pretty much need it. CHRONO TRIGGER SPOILER** When Zeal Kingdom came down in Chrono Trigger, I have actually always wanted to see that in FMV form. I know it's kind of stupid, considering my stance on FMV. It's not that I don't like FMV, it's just that I think it's way too overused in a lot of games. (Final Fantasy mainly).

October 15th, 2002	#329 (permalink)
Syed Fawad -PM to advertise here- Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: In an average country of an average planet of the solar system of an average star of an average galaxy of an average cluster. Still not average... Posts: 8,260	Talking about FMVs, anyone want to express their opinions about Silent Hill2's FMVs? IMO they are much much better than FFX's. Also Onimusha2's FMVs are there with the top. __________________ Asus K8N (nForce3) AMD64 3000+ (754) 768MB DDR 400MHz (PC 3200) nVidia Geforce 6600GT 128MB (AGP) Aquamark3 - 53,000 "Good friends mustn't always be together. It is the feeling of oneness when distant that proves a lasting friendship"

October 17th, 2002	#331 (permalink)
average_guy Banned Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 1,865	Sonic is fine game for me at first, but after a few hours, i get bored of it.

October 17th, 2002	#332 (permalink)
chillypacman Banned Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Australia - Perth Posts: 1,057	What exactly is xenogears about?

October 17th, 2002	#334 (permalink)
Finalbuster Nothing is like before. Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Santiago, Chile Posts: 581	Sonic was a cool game, but the stages were so big and Sonic was so fast, that it was hard for me to investigate each area carefully. And I never could get past that amusement park in SONIC 3!!! SOMEDAY, I'M REALLY GONNA TAKE MY REVENGE ON YOU, SONIC 3, MWAHAHAHAHA!!! __________________ Say yes to every opportunity that comes your way, as they may never come back.

October 17th, 2002	#335 (permalink)
Kaiser Sigma ~ Lord of Darkness ~ Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: A place darker than the night. Posts: 14,652	you better pass that part soon... the last stages of Sonic 3 are a jewel for the eye...

October 17th, 2002	#336 (permalink)
Finalbuster Nothing is like before. Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Santiago, Chile Posts: 581	I got stuck in a part with that saucer thing that (I guess) you had to jump on it to make it go down with each jump... the thing is, I never made it go DOOOOWN... it was like... down... help anyone? __________________ Say yes to every opportunity that comes your way, as they may never come back.

October 17th, 2002	#337 (permalink)
Kaiser Sigma ~ Lord of Darkness ~ Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: A place darker than the night. Posts: 14,652	mmm... I can't remember quite well... wich act are you in ? (I gather that you are at the "Carniva"l something stage...)

October 17th, 2002	#338 (permalink)
Finalbuster Nothing is like before. Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Santiago, Chile Posts: 581	there were two acts right? if I'm right... the second one??? you were on a room with no exit, and in front of you was this... spinning saucer... AGH!!! __________________ Say yes to every opportunity that comes your way, as they may never come back.

October 17th, 2002	#339 (permalink)
Kaiser Sigma ~ Lord of Darkness ~ Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: A place darker than the night. Posts: 14,652	if I'm not wrong you had to keep pressing down if you want the thing to take you down, don't jump or anything, just press down until you get to the place you want... I may not be right so try it and tell me... I'll see if I can find the solution if this doesn't work...