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Strider · October 2nd, 2002

well, im sure ms and sony have to rely on 3rd parties to make the games but it would be just as easy for either one of them to just discontinue the xbox/ps 1/2 and continue working on their main moneymaking products

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**Exophase** · October 2nd, 2002

Sony has some good first party games, IMO. It depends what you consider first party though. Games like the Wild Arms series.. are those considered Sony games? 989's games? Are those? Well, anyway, you're right that they wouldn't survive without third parties, and actually you're right too that Nintendo has done very well considering they had very poor third party support for N64. But still, you're looking at what's best a little bit better than the other good companies, first parties really aren't all that different, in terms of what makes up their development teams, than third parties. So having a strong first party isn't really that important, IMO, unless you CAN'T get third parties.

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Rhombus · October 2nd, 2002

Yeah, I think all 1st market games really affect is the console's image and marketting. That's why Nintendo is always gonna be considered kiddy, and PS2 will always not be. 1st party games are the ones developed by the console maker themselves, so they are the ones that set the trends for the system, are the games that are first released for the system and the ones that are advertised with the system when they first start advertising in magazines and on TV commercials. I mean, compare the ads of the consoles when they first came out. I don't remember all that well, but what I basically recall is Sony marketting stuff like GT, XBox marketting Halo, and NGC marketting Luigi's Mansion. The Luigi game is gonna come off as more kiddy, so obviously so will Nintendo, and hence the GameCube for the rest of its existence. So, blame consumers all you want for Nintendo's "kiddy" image, but it's really Nintendo's fault by promoting it through their marketing of 1st party games. And don't think they don't know what they're doing either.

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**_E_** · October 2nd, 2002

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Originally posted by Exophase
What's more important, ratios or actual numbers? Sega has proved several times that a decent first party simply isn't enough, just like Nintendo has with N64... I'd rather have a system with a poor good game/bad game ratio than one that had a better ratio, but less good games total...

N64 was just a complete failure. Yesterday, I downloaded some N64 roms from the net and used emu64 to emulate them .These games were nintendo's "HIT" games. okay, i opened up mario64,...what the.......? i found a italian idiot in front of my face, speaking up like this: " heeeeeey,...ittssaaa meeee ,,,,MArrioo!!

:rofl: :rofl: ,..as soon as i started playing , i relelised why N64 failed. I only liked Zelda, Megaman64, Pokemon Staduim II ( kind of) and other few games,.......

Sony and Microsoft are intruders to console industry, thats how i consider them. They came up to make a big deal of money and destroying Nintendo and Sega. Sega was destroyed, but not yet dead. while luckly, Nintendo survived with a miracle after releasing it GC

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Kaiser Sigma · October 2nd, 2002

Sega wasn't destroyed by MS and Sony... piracy destroyed Sega. There were entire countries that bought ilegal copies of the games for the DC... that is what destroyed Sega... I got rid of 3 pirate shops in my city yet... one man alone can't battle against the misguided tastes of ppl...

Ninjaa · October 2nd, 2002

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N64 was just a complete failure. Yesterday, I downloaded some N64 roms from the net and used emu64 to emulate them .These games were nintendo's "HIT" games. okay, i opened up mario64,...what the.......? i found a italian idiot in front of my face, speaking up like this: " heeeeeey,...ittssaaa meeee ,,,,MArrioo!! :rofl: :rofl: ,..as soon as i started playing , i relelised why N64 failed. I only liked Zelda, Megaman64, Pokemon Staduim II ( kind of) and other few games,.......

N64 never failed. It's a common myth that N64 was a failure, but it was actually quite profitable, and Nintendo made scads of money off of it. Playing an N64 on an emulator, you wouldn't have a true sense of what it is to play the N64 classics. Nothing can beat using an actual N64 controller, and playing 4 player games with your friends.

If you ask me, the best games on N64 are Zelda: OoT, Conker's BFD, Mario 64, Ogre Battle 64, Paper Mario, Super Smash Bros, Goldeneye, and Perfect Dark. All of those are perfectly valid reasons to own a N64, and MANY people agree with me. The N64 was not the failure you believe it was, even if many people don't consider it to be as good as PSX (I am actually one of them), it still sold well because it had some great games for it.

Just one more time to make myself clear. N64 was still profitable for Nintendo, right to the end. That's something that neither Sega nor MS can say about Dreamcast or Xbox repectively.

**_E_** · October 2nd, 2002

mm,.....during my stay in UAE,...about half the people i know, bought a dreamcast, ( they soon bought a PS2 and a gamecube afterwards) anyway,......i found Mario64 kinda silly,.....and considering dreamcast, sega did make some profit out of it

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Ninjaa · October 2nd, 2002

Not enough to actually be viable though. Sega has to make enough profit to pay for their other projects, and I don't think the Dreamcast was doing that. In Nintendo's case, they have like 8 billion dollars in the bank.

**_E_** · October 2nd, 2002

well,.......Sega is sure making up good profit from their released games on GC and PS2, right ninja?

PS: how do ya know that nintendo has 8 billion in the bank?? they dont release the amount of thier savings to public , you know......................

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Ninjaa · October 2nd, 2002

Actually... THEY DID!

I forget when, but it's pretty much common knowledge that Nintendo has a huge amount of cash laying around. Yamauchi-sama (former CEO), saw the example his father had made, and refused to ever go into debt. At one time, Nintendo almost faced bankrupty because Yamauchi-sama's father had too much debt to deal with. Thereafter, Yamauchi-sama always kept a large supply of money on hand, just in case there was something that needed doing, and they needed the capital to do it with. Iwata-san (current CEO), has no doubt been told to maintain this Nintendo tradition.

It's kind of funny, since Nintendo always takes flak for having that much money, and never spending it.

As for Sega, yes, they are getting back on their feet at last.

**Exophase** · October 2nd, 2002

N64 wasn't a failure, but it wasn't much of a relative success either. PSX really stomped it, and no other consoles were really all that comparable at the time, although I think I heard Saturn did better in Japan than N64 for quite a while (hmm) but in no where else in the world.

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Kaiser Sigma · October 3rd, 2002

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(...) Just one more time to make myself clear. N64 was still profitable for Nintendo, right to the end. That's something that neither Sega nor MS can say about Dreamcast or Xbox repectively.

my, my... Sega's Dreamcast wasn't profitable to Sega right to the end ? where did you hear that ? Sorry but I completely disagree with that... the Dreamcast was VERY profitable to Sega right to the end (as a matter of fact, it still is in Japan)... You mentioned some good games for the N64 that prove your point that the N64 was a great console, yet, the quantity of GREAT games I can mention for the Dreamcast is at least 5 times bigger (and that, without including import games)... a console with so few good titles like the N64 can't be considered to be above the Dreamcast, the lifespan of Sega's white wonder was indeed short but 75%-80% of its games were incredible and believe me, should everybody fight the piracy as half as I do, Sega wouldn't have so many financial losts (though many of their losts were due to bad movements...). Nintendo didn't suffered from piracy (well, at least in such proportions...). One last point, though I don't want to sound harsh, don't you dare put the Dreamcast at the same level of the XBOX, the differences between them are dimensional... anyway... that's my opinion... Oh, and just one last point, the N64 games even though they were pretty cool, almost all of them were pretty childish... the Dreamcast provided a better variety for the gaming audience...

Ninjaa · October 3rd, 2002

Kaiser, slow down there, I never said at any time that the Dreamcast wasn't good. I just said it wasn't as successful as the N64 in terms of profit. I don't think it's possible that the Dreamcast could have outsold the N64 in its short life span, do you? (If so, I would like some proof).

But the Dreamcast is a great console, and I was actually quite saddened when I saw it die. If I compared it to the Xbox at any point, I am seriously sorry. I didn't mean it in that way. I was simply referring to the fact that Xbox is even LESS profitable than Dreamcast. I am also glad to hear that you fight piracy, as it would be a great day when it is stopped.

But I do demand that you withdraw your statement about N64 games being childish. It's a myth, nothing more. I look at the N64's game library, and I see Goldeneye, Resident Evil 2, Perfect Dark, Conker's Bad Fur Day, Zelda, and Tony Hawk. I really don't see what's so childish about those games. (Although I do grant you that some genres were very deficient on N64)

Syed Fawad · October 3rd, 2002

Finally........Sega Fanboy and Nintendo Fanboy are down to debates. Yey!

But if you ask me, I too have a tilt towards Sega.

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Ninjaa · October 3rd, 2002

It's almost like old times... Except it really doesn't feel right fighting Sega anymore. I won't fight a Sega fanboy. Sorry Syed.

**Kane** · October 3rd, 2002

IIRC, at chrstmas, the DC was outselling the XBox 3 times over in Japan.

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REi_FoX · October 3rd, 2002

well well ninja is the best there is when it comes to nintendo it looks like he's working for them

well nintendo is really a good company when it comes into gaming...

i think the best merge is sega and nintendo since they was rivals on the past but when sony came...

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**_E_** · October 3rd, 2002

Sega and Nintendo were "friendly" rivals at the time of Genises vs SNES. I wasent suprised when i knew that they merged together.

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REi_FoX · October 3rd, 2002

well sega gave up the fight when dreamcast was thrown down...

gosh... but dreamcast is alot stronger than ps2...

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Syed Fawad · October 3rd, 2002

But what kind of merging is this? Sega gave its 128 Bit heart to that Dang XXXBOX. I.m talking bout Shenmue and if you want you can also include Crazy Taxi.

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View Poll Results: Best Game Manufactures
Sega	6	7.69%
Squaresoft	38	48.72%
Nintendo	7	8.97%
Capcom	8	10.26%
Microsoft	0	0%
Sony ( not sure though)	1	1.28%
Sega and Nintendo	4	5.13%
Sega and Sqauresoft	2	2.56%
Rare	2	2.56%
none of the above	8	10.26%
Konami	2	2.56%
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October 2nd, 2002	#181 (permalink)
Strider Living Paradigm Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Toronto Posts: 10,225	well, im sure ms and sony have to rely on 3rd parties to make the games but it would be just as easy for either one of them to just discontinue the xbox/ps 1/2 and continue working on their main moneymaking products __________________ My Deviant Art

October 2nd, 2002	#182 (permalink)
Exophase Emu author Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Cleveland OH, USA Posts: 1,184	Sony has some good first party games, IMO. It depends what you consider first party though. Games like the Wild Arms series.. are those considered Sony games? 989's games? Are those? Well, anyway, you're right that they wouldn't survive without third parties, and actually you're right too that Nintendo has done very well considering they had very poor third party support for N64. But still, you're looking at what's best a little bit better than the other good companies, first parties really aren't all that different, in terms of what makes up their development teams, than third parties. So having a strong first party isn't really that important, IMO, unless you CAN'T get third parties. - Exo

October 2nd, 2002	#183 (permalink)
Rhombus The Moogle Assassin Join Date: May 2002 Location: Boulder, Colorado Posts: 2,081	Yeah, I think all 1st market games really affect is the console's image and marketting. That's why Nintendo is always gonna be considered kiddy, and PS2 will always not be. 1st party games are the ones developed by the console maker themselves, so they are the ones that set the trends for the system, are the games that are first released for the system and the ones that are advertised with the system when they first start advertising in magazines and on TV commercials. I mean, compare the ads of the consoles when they first came out. I don't remember all that well, but what I basically recall is Sony marketting stuff like GT, XBox marketting Halo, and NGC marketting Luigi's Mansion. The Luigi game is gonna come off as more kiddy, so obviously so will Nintendo, and hence the GameCube for the rest of its existence. So, blame consumers all you want for Nintendo's "kiddy" image, but it's really Nintendo's fault by promoting it through their marketing of 1st party games. And don't think they don't know what they're doing either. __________________ Processor: Athlon 64 3400+ Mobo: MSI K8T Neo-FIS2R RAM: 1 GB Corsair XMS GFX Card: Sapphire Radeon 9800 Pro 128 Sound Card: SB Audigy 2 ZS HDD1: Seagate 160MB 8MB 7200 HDD2: Seagate 80MB 8MB 7200 Burner: NEC 16x DVDR Keyboard/Mouse: Logitech Cordless MX Duo USB Gamepad1: PS2 Dual Analog/KiKY X USB Gamepad2: Gravis GamePad Pro OS: Windows XP Pro sp2 *Tempus fugit et nos fugimus in illus.* *Fiat justitia; ruat coelum.*

October 2nd, 2002	#185 (permalink)
Kaiser Sigma ~ Lord of Darkness ~ Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: A place darker than the night. Posts: 14,637	Sega wasn't destroyed by MS and Sony... piracy destroyed Sega. There were entire countries that bought ilegal copies of the games for the DC... that is what destroyed Sega... I got rid of 3 pirate shops in my city yet... one man alone can't battle against the misguided tastes of ppl...

October 2nd, 2002	#187 (permalink)
_E_ Lurking Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Gone Posts: 8,958	mm,.....during my stay in UAE,...about half the people i know, bought a dreamcast, ( they soon bought a PS2 and a gamecube afterwards) anyway,......i found Mario64 kinda silly,.....and considering dreamcast, sega did make some profit out of it __________________ -= Moral cowardice that keeps us from speaking our minds is as dangerous to this country as irresponsible talk. The right way is not always =- the popular and easy way. Standing for right when it is unpopular is a true test of moral character. Margaret C. Smith

October 2nd, 2002	#188 (permalink)
Ninjaa Banned Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Soviet Canuckistan Posts: 7,778	Not enough to actually be viable though. Sega has to make enough profit to pay for their other projects, and I don't think the Dreamcast was doing that. In Nintendo's case, they have like 8 billion dollars in the bank.

October 2nd, 2002	#189 (permalink)
_E_ Lurking Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Gone Posts: 8,958	well,.......Sega is sure making up good profit from their released games on GC and PS2, right ninja? PS: how do ya know that nintendo has 8 billion in the bank?? they dont release the amount of thier savings to public , you know...................... __________________ -= Moral cowardice that keeps us from speaking our minds is as dangerous to this country as irresponsible talk. The right way is not always =- the popular and easy way. Standing for right when it is unpopular is a true test of moral character. Margaret C. Smith

October 2nd, 2002	#190 (permalink)
Ninjaa Banned Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Soviet Canuckistan Posts: 7,778	Actually... THEY DID! I forget when, but it's pretty much common knowledge that Nintendo has a huge amount of cash laying around. Yamauchi-sama (former CEO), saw the example his father had made, and refused to ever go into debt. At one time, Nintendo almost faced bankrupty because Yamauchi-sama's father had too much debt to deal with. Thereafter, Yamauchi-sama always kept a large supply of money on hand, just in case there was something that needed doing, and they needed the capital to do it with. Iwata-san (current CEO), has no doubt been told to maintain this Nintendo tradition. It's kind of funny, since Nintendo always takes flak for having that much money, and never spending it. As for Sega, yes, they are getting back on their feet at last.

October 2nd, 2002	#191 (permalink)
Exophase Emu author Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Cleveland OH, USA Posts: 1,184	N64 wasn't a failure, but it wasn't much of a relative success either. PSX really stomped it, and no other consoles were really all that comparable at the time, although I think I heard Saturn did better in Japan than N64 for quite a while (hmm) but in no where else in the world. - Exo

October 3rd, 2002	#193 (permalink)
Ninjaa Banned Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Soviet Canuckistan Posts: 7,778	Kaiser, slow down there, I never said at any time that the Dreamcast wasn't good. I just said it wasn't as successful as the N64 in terms of profit. I don't think it's possible that the Dreamcast could have outsold the N64 in its short life span, do you? (If so, I would like some proof). But the Dreamcast is a great console, and I was actually quite saddened when I saw it die. If I compared it to the Xbox at any point, I am seriously sorry. I didn't mean it in that way. I was simply referring to the fact that Xbox is even LESS profitable than Dreamcast. I am also glad to hear that you fight piracy, as it would be a great day when it is stopped. But I do demand that you withdraw your statement about N64 games being childish. It's a myth, nothing more. I look at the N64's game library, and I see Goldeneye, Resident Evil 2, Perfect Dark, Conker's Bad Fur Day, Zelda, and Tony Hawk. I really don't see what's so childish about those games. (Although I do grant you that some genres were very deficient on N64)

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Syed Fawad -PM to advertise here- Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: In an average country of an average planet of the solar system of an average star of an average galaxy of an average cluster. Still not average... Posts: 8,260	Finally........Sega Fanboy and Nintendo Fanboy are down to debates. Yey! But if you ask me, I too have a tilt towards Sega. __________________ Asus K8N (nForce3) AMD64 3000+ (754) 768MB DDR 400MHz (PC 3200) nVidia Geforce 6600GT 128MB (AGP) Aquamark3 - 53,000 "Good friends mustn't always be together. It is the feeling of oneness when distant that proves a lasting friendship"

October 3rd, 2002	#195 (permalink)
Ninjaa Banned Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Soviet Canuckistan Posts: 7,778	It's almost like old times... Except it really doesn't feel right fighting Sega anymore. I won't fight a Sega fanboy. Sorry Syed.

October 3rd, 2002	#196 (permalink)
Kane 邪魔ゎ指せない Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Gosport, England Posts: 26,305	IIRC, at chrstmas, the DC was outselling the XBox 3 times over in Japan. __________________ >Site Live< Pop over to my site for help with setting up PSX emulators. Help for the Final Fantasies and other RPGs avalaible Celes: (Desktop) Athlon 64 X2 4200+, 2Gb 400MHz DDR Ram, MSI K8N Platinum, GeForce 8800 GTS 320Mb, 500Gb RAID HDD, Vista Business Erika: (MCPC) Athlon XP 2400+, 1Gb 400MHz DDR Ram, geForce 6800 256Mb, 80Gb Hdd, XP 2005 MCE Kimiko: (Desktop 2) Athlon 64 3000+, 512Mb 400MHz DDR Ram, Asus K8V, geForce 6800 128Mb

October 3rd, 2002	#197 (permalink)
REi_FoX ¡¾¡¾¡¾¡ Fantasy ¡¾¡¾¡¾¡ Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Manila, Philippines Posts: 3,649	well well ninja is the best there is when it comes to nintendo it looks like he's working for them well nintendo is really a good company when it comes into gaming... i think the best merge is sega and nintendo since they was rivals on the past but when sony came... __________________ FoR PiNoYs WhO WanTs To BuY CheAp ParTs CliCk Here also Here Processor - Intel Quad 2 Quad q6600 G0 Stepping [Stock Settings] Memory - 2GB Team Elite 800mhz Graphics Card - Palit Daytone Geforce 8800 GT 512 MB Mobo - Abit IP-35-E OS - Dual Boot Windows XP Professional SP3 and Ubuntu Linux Pad - PS1 and PS2 > USB Adapter 3DMark05 Score - 35082

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_E_ Lurking Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Gone Posts: 8,958	Sega and Nintendo were "friendly" rivals at the time of Genises vs SNES. I wasent suprised when i knew that they merged together. __________________ -= Moral cowardice that keeps us from speaking our minds is as dangerous to this country as irresponsible talk. The right way is not always =- the popular and easy way. Standing for right when it is unpopular is a true test of moral character. Margaret C. Smith

October 3rd, 2002	#199 (permalink)
REi_FoX ¡¾¡¾¡¾¡ Fantasy ¡¾¡¾¡¾¡ Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Manila, Philippines Posts: 3,649	well sega gave up the fight when dreamcast was thrown down... gosh... but dreamcast is alot stronger than ps2... __________________ FoR PiNoYs WhO WanTs To BuY CheAp ParTs CliCk Here also Here Processor - Intel Quad 2 Quad q6600 G0 Stepping [Stock Settings] Memory - 2GB Team Elite 800mhz Graphics Card - Palit Daytone Geforce 8800 GT 512 MB Mobo - Abit IP-35-E OS - Dual Boot Windows XP Professional SP3 and Ubuntu Linux Pad - PS1 and PS2 > USB Adapter 3DMark05 Score - 35082

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Syed Fawad -PM to advertise here- Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: In an average country of an average planet of the solar system of an average star of an average galaxy of an average cluster. Still not average... Posts: 8,260	But what kind of merging is this? Sega gave its 128 Bit heart to that Dang XXXBOX. I.m talking bout Shenmue and if you want you can also include Crazy Taxi. __________________ Asus K8N (nForce3) AMD64 3000+ (754) 768MB DDR 400MHz (PC 3200) nVidia Geforce 6600GT 128MB (AGP) Aquamark3 - 53,000 "Good friends mustn't always be together. It is the feeling of oneness when distant that proves a lasting friendship"