Metal Gear Solid 2; Rate it.

Syed Fawad · July 1st, 2002

I have a little cash in my pocket and I am deciding to pick this one up, as non of my friends have it.

SO here I am asking for a little advice from you ppl. I have read reviews of this game everywhere and my favourite reviewer IGN gave it 9.7, but I have heard from a few ppl that this game ain't good enough. SO I want to clear up the things.

Moreover, discuss this game and rate it by considering it as an original game, not relating it to MGS1 on the PSX.

The questions I have:

* What's the view, third person? follow cam?

* What kinda puzzles are there? Do they need logic to put together?

* Amount of fighting in the game. Is it too much? I prefer stealth silent takedowns, which IGN says is present in it.

* Whats the time period? I mean is it Past,present or future?

Thanks for your time.

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ToM_E · July 1st, 2002

The view is all kinds...i guess...Puzzles....hrm...i never seen n e puzzles in the game...but its really hard to finish the game, since u have to be stealth all the time. There are stealth silent takedowns...but if u really want to know about the amount of fighting or shooting that depends how good u are at the game.

I guess te time is present.

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Cless · July 2nd, 2002

Yes there is stealth close to impossible to beat with some.It set in the present basically. No puzzels. 3rd and 1st person views are used. Overall not a bad game not great game. I beat in a week my brother beat in a week on hard and on my second try thorugh it took my 4 hours to beat.

grahf · July 2nd, 2002

I'm sorry, but there's no way you can beat this game in under 4 hours. Even if you do skip all the cut scenes, the sheer amount of tasks and backtracking will ensure that it will take at least a solid 8 hours to beat.

Now as for the game itself, I would consider near close to perfect. From the gameplay to the graphics to the sound, everything just screams high quality production values and close to perfection. Overall I'd give it a 5 out of 5.

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Cless · July 2nd, 2002

The game is easy on easy and if you have played it before it is realy easy. Not mention there is no replay value of this game what so ever and with a maxim of 20 to beat it. I can't see how it would be perfect.

Quatro · July 2nd, 2002

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Originally posted by delita
I beat in a week my brother beat in a week on hard and on my second try thorugh it took my 4 hours to beat.

Well MGS2 is like what it said on its name: its a solid game... but on a hard mode, it's quite amazing that you beat the game in 4 hours! I think you played it a couple of times to get near perfection of every move and tactic and then come up with that best time.

sithspawn · July 2nd, 2002

I give it a 4.5 (excellent) though it's a bit tough (at least for me), but there's the challenge, right?
Anyways, there are ppl claim that this game sux0rz but I think they (or at least, some of them) have never played this game before.
Don't forget that MGS2 Substance will be coming soon.

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Alias · July 2nd, 2002

the game was presented very well, it is quite similar to the first mgs, but it has a new "feel" to it, if u can accept that word. The only problem might be the story... it was a little too far out... i think kojima tried too hard in making a twsiting story and ended up creating a lot of garbage toward the end... but overall, it was a really good game! i highly recommend it

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REi_FoX · July 2nd, 2002

hope it will be ported to the PC...

i heard MGS2 : substance was announced on PC but its just like the VR mission that really sucks

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Quatro · July 2nd, 2002

Like VR mission... then it has those wire frame background! Then it might be bad to reccomend it....

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Ninjaa · July 2nd, 2002

Substance has EVERYTHING that MGS 2 has.

Substance is about the same as Integral was for the first MGS. (Integral bundled the VR missions and the actual game in one package. It was only released on the PC in the US.) One last time, I will say that there is absolutely no reason to think that Substance is not as good as SoL in any way. Actually, I think that Substance might redeem the game somwhat.

Anyway, I would just like to say that I gave MGS 2 a 3. I just couldn't give it a higher rating. The story just sucked that bad. It also featured the most insipid character ever for the main character. I just hated him more than anything. I would have given the game a 2 if the gameplay weren't so fun. The open endedness of the game and the amount of things you could do were pretty cool, but since that is all there was to the game, I can't give it a higher score.

In the end, I think you are better off with the demo. The only level I thought was close to perfect was the first level, which was the tanker level. That level sucked me into the game, but it degenerated rapidly from there.

Syed Fawad · July 2nd, 2002

I can get a demo for around 10$, what do you ppl suggest? I am leaning more towards the Demo.

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Hanamichi · July 2nd, 2002

Im with Ninja, except that I dont really hate Raiden.
The part where he ran about clothless really wasnt needed, though.

Syed Fawad · July 2nd, 2002

ran about clothless

Oh dear. I don't like the sound of it.

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Hanamichi · July 2nd, 2002

It is but a small part of the game...bear with it

Besides, it is when close to the end too....where the plot screws up.

REi_FoX · July 2nd, 2002

so thhe game sucks right?

the MGS substance that is

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Cless · July 2nd, 2002

It isn't out yet. But it will just a msg 2 with some extra stuff. Atleast the pc version will be.

Quatro read my post i beat on easy in 4 hours on hard it be difficult.

Hydra · July 2nd, 2002

This game was great, but no game is perfect it's impossible.

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systemid · July 3rd, 2002

i ssaid it was excellent it was short but the story was good while it lasted. But i say buy it, it is great.

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Ninjaa · July 3rd, 2002

Definately get the demo Syed. You won't be sorry that you did. The full version just kind of sucks, and the demo has all the fun parts in it anyway.

Rei Fox, Substance should be good. It should take out a lot of the suckiness of the game. (such as having to look at and listen to Raiden, and you can have the sword from the beginning of the game). It the same as the first version, but with a LOT more features.

Syed, if you decide to buy the game, wait for Substance. You won't be sorry you did.

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Syed Fawad -PM to advertise here- Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: In an average country of an average planet of the solar system of an average star of an average galaxy of an average cluster. Still not average... Posts: 8,260	Metal Gear Solid 2; Rate it. I have a little cash in my pocket and I am deciding to pick this one up, as non of my friends have it. SO here I am asking for a little advice from you ppl. I have read reviews of this game everywhere and my favourite reviewer IGN gave it 9.7, but I have heard from a few ppl that this game ain't good enough. SO I want to clear up the things. Moreover, discuss this game and rate it by considering it as an original game, not relating it to MGS1 on the PSX. The questions I have: * What's the view, third person? follow cam? * What kinda puzzles are there? Do they need logic to put together? * Amount of fighting in the game. Is it too much? I prefer stealth silent takedowns, which IGN says is present in it. * Whats the time period? I mean is it Past,present or future? Thanks for your time. __________________ Asus K8N (nForce3) AMD64 3000+ (754) 768MB DDR 400MHz (PC 3200) nVidia Geforce 6600GT 128MB (AGP) Aquamark3 - 53,000 "Good friends mustn't always be together. It is the feeling of oneness when distant that proves a lasting friendship"

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July 1st, 2002	#2 (permalink)
ToM_E 8+ Years Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Over The Rainbow Posts: 2,794	The view is all kinds...i guess...Puzzles....hrm...i never seen n e puzzles in the game...but its really hard to finish the game, since u have to be stealth all the time. There are stealth silent takedowns...but if u really want to know about the amount of fighting or shooting that depends how good u are at the game. I guess te time is present. __________________ Intel Q9550 @ 3.74 Ghz Xigmatek Dark Knight G.SKILL 4GB DDR2 533 GIGABYTE EP45-UD3P Hitachi 1TB Samsung 1TB LG 20X DVD-RW (SATA) Lancool K62W Asus 4870 Dark Night Corsair 750TX Scythe Kaze Master Ace Windows Vista Eternity x64

July 2nd, 2002	#3 (permalink)
Cless Banned Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 1,809	Yes there is stealth close to impossible to beat with some.It set in the present basically. No puzzels. 3rd and 1st person views are used. Overall not a bad game not great game. I beat in a week my brother beat in a week on hard and on my second try thorugh it took my 4 hours to beat.

July 2nd, 2002	#4 (permalink)
grahf Weltall Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 458	I'm sorry, but there's no way you can beat this game in under 4 hours. Even if you do skip all the cut scenes, the sheer amount of tasks and backtracking will ensure that it will take at least a solid 8 hours to beat. Now as for the game itself, I would consider near close to perfect. From the gameplay to the graphics to the sound, everything just screams high quality production values and close to perfection. Overall I'd give it a 5 out of 5. __________________ SIS motherboard \| WindowsXP pro \| Athlon XP 2200+(1.8 Ghz) IBM 120gb 7200rpm \| 512Mb DDR PC2100 @133mhz \| C-media 3d sound\| Pixelview geforce4ti4200 64mb\| 12x8x32x CDRW \| 300watt power supply

July 2nd, 2002	#5 (permalink)
Cless Banned Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 1,809	The game is easy on easy and if you have played it before it is realy easy. Not mention there is no replay value of this game what so ever and with a maxim of 20 to beat it. I can't see how it would be perfect.

July 2nd, 2002	#7 (permalink)
sithspawn The Spawn of Sith Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: In a galaxy far, far away ... Posts: 183	I give it a 4.5 (excellent) though it's a bit tough (at least for me), but there's the challenge, right? Anyways, there are ppl claim that this game sux0rz but I think they (or at least, some of them) have never played this game before. Don't forget that MGS2 Substance will be coming soon. __________________ "There is no try. There is do, or do not."

July 2nd, 2002	#8 (permalink)
Alias >_< Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: East Coast, USA Posts: 924	the game was presented very well, it is quite similar to the first mgs, but it has a new "feel" to it, if u can accept that word. The only problem might be the story... it was a little too far out... i think kojima tried too hard in making a twsiting story and ended up creating a lot of garbage toward the end... but overall, it was a really good game! i highly recommend it __________________ >_<

July 2nd, 2002	#9 (permalink)
REi_FoX ¡¾¡¾¡¾¡ Fantasy ¡¾¡¾¡¾¡ Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Manila, Philippines Posts: 3,649	hope it will be ported to the PC... i heard MGS2 : substance was announced on PC but its just like the VR mission that really sucks __________________ FoR PiNoYs WhO WanTs To BuY CheAp ParTs CliCk Here also Here Processor - Intel Quad 2 Quad q6600 G0 Stepping [Stock Settings] Memory - 2GB Team Elite 800mhz Graphics Card - Palit Daytone Geforce 8800 GT 512 MB Mobo - Abit IP-35-E OS - Dual Boot Windows XP Professional SP3 and Ubuntu Linux Pad - PS1 and PS2 > USB Adapter 3DMark05 Score - 35082

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Quatro c3rTifiEd V@mpIr3 Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Laguna Posts: 8,292	Like VR mission... then it has those wire frame background! Then it might be bad to reccomend it.... __________________ BE ONE OF US I JOIN THE WOLF CLAN - when you think that you have accomplish so much, many think of it as so little...

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Ninjaa Banned Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Soviet Canuckistan Posts: 7,778	Substance has EVERYTHING that MGS 2 has. Substance is about the same as Integral was for the first MGS. (Integral bundled the VR missions and the actual game in one package. It was only released on the PC in the US.) One last time, I will say that there is absolutely no reason to think that Substance is not as good as SoL in any way. Actually, I think that Substance might redeem the game somwhat. Anyway, I would just like to say that I gave MGS 2 a 3. I just couldn't give it a higher rating. The story just sucked that bad. It also featured the most insipid character ever for the main character. I just hated him more than anything. I would have given the game a 2 if the gameplay weren't so fun. The open endedness of the game and the amount of things you could do were pretty cool, but since that is all there was to the game, I can't give it a higher score. In the end, I think you are better off with the demo. The only level I thought was close to perfect was the first level, which was the tanker level. That level sucked me into the game, but it degenerated rapidly from there.

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Syed Fawad -PM to advertise here- Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: In an average country of an average planet of the solar system of an average star of an average galaxy of an average cluster. Still not average... Posts: 8,260	I can get a demo for around 10$, what do you ppl suggest? I am leaning more towards the Demo. __________________ Asus K8N (nForce3) AMD64 3000+ (754) 768MB DDR 400MHz (PC 3200) nVidia Geforce 6600GT 128MB (AGP) Aquamark3 - 53,000 "Good friends mustn't always be together. It is the feeling of oneness when distant that proves a lasting friendship"

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Hanamichi Crotally Tazy Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Malaysia Posts: 4,578	Im with Ninja, except that I dont really hate Raiden. The part where he ran about clothless really wasnt needed, though.

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Syed Fawad -PM to advertise here- Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: In an average country of an average planet of the solar system of an average star of an average galaxy of an average cluster. Still not average... Posts: 8,260	ran about clothless Oh dear. I don't like the sound of it. __________________ Asus K8N (nForce3) AMD64 3000+ (754) 768MB DDR 400MHz (PC 3200) nVidia Geforce 6600GT 128MB (AGP) Aquamark3 - 53,000 "Good friends mustn't always be together. It is the feeling of oneness when distant that proves a lasting friendship"

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Hanamichi Crotally Tazy Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Malaysia Posts: 4,578	It is but a small part of the game...bear with it Besides, it is when close to the end too....where the plot screws up.

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REi_FoX ¡¾¡¾¡¾¡ Fantasy ¡¾¡¾¡¾¡ Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Manila, Philippines Posts: 3,649	so thhe game sucks right? the MGS substance that is __________________ FoR PiNoYs WhO WanTs To BuY CheAp ParTs CliCk Here also Here Processor - Intel Quad 2 Quad q6600 G0 Stepping [Stock Settings] Memory - 2GB Team Elite 800mhz Graphics Card - Palit Daytone Geforce 8800 GT 512 MB Mobo - Abit IP-35-E OS - Dual Boot Windows XP Professional SP3 and Ubuntu Linux Pad - PS1 and PS2 > USB Adapter 3DMark05 Score - 35082

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Cless Banned Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 1,809	It isn't out yet. But it will just a msg 2 with some extra stuff. Atleast the pc version will be. Quatro read my post i beat on easy in 4 hours on hard it be difficult.

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Hydra ???!!!???!!!?!?! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: In your lunchbox. No don't open the lid! Ack the light it burns. Posts: 2,184	This game was great, but no game is perfect it's impossible. __________________ Mobo: Asus A8V Deluxe CPU: AMD Athlon 64 3000+ RAM: 1024MB DDR400 Dual Channel Graphics: nVidia Geforce FX 6600 GT 128MB DDR3 HDD: 260GB OS: Windows XP SP2

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systemid The fat one Join Date: May 2002 Location: crapland Posts: 629	i ssaid it was excellent it was short but the story was good while it lasted. But i say buy it, it is great. __________________ Hahahahahahahahahaha the cubs suck. GO marlins

July 3rd, 2002	#20 (permalink)
Ninjaa Banned Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Soviet Canuckistan Posts: 7,778	Definately get the demo Syed. You won't be sorry that you did. The full version just kind of sucks, and the demo has all the fun parts in it anyway. Rei Fox, Substance should be good. It should take out a lot of the suckiness of the game. (such as having to look at and listen to Raiden, and you can have the sword from the beginning of the game). It the same as the first version, but with a LOT more features. Syed, if you decide to buy the game, wait for Substance. You won't be sorry you did.