FPS games for consoles

Hanamichi · June 27th, 2002

Is it just me or do the controls suck ? I just bought MOH:Frontline for the PS2 and I can hardly enjoy it due to the controls, since i have to use the analog stick to walk around and aim. Why do people still give it 9.x ratings on gamespot? Or is it really just me?

Quatro · June 27th, 2002

well for FPS games or shooting games, we prefer using PC than consoles because of the easy flow of the controls... and much better because your up against many others in multiplayer modes

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M.I.K.e7 · June 27th, 2002

When Quake came out I had to learn the mouse/keyboard controls at first, but now I think that about any FPS is very hard to control by other means.

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**Kane** · June 27th, 2002

I agree. FPS' on consoles won't work unless you have a keyboard and mouse avaliable. The Analog sticks simply aren't quick enough.

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Syed Fawad · June 27th, 2002

I believe that there are keyboard and mices available for comsoles, to eliminate the control problem.

IIRC Unreal tournament on the PS2 can even be played with a sharkboard.

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Hydra · June 27th, 2002

Yeah controls can be very annoying, but some console pads work very well with FPS like the N64 pad.

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Hanamichi · June 27th, 2002

So I have to buy extra equipment to play the game. The graphics, sound and gameplay are amazing, IMO much better than the MOHAA for the PC but the controls are...
When I first started using the mouse and keyboard for FPS gaming I liked it right away. Using analog sticks just wont suit me right. The D-pad works way better if only I could use it

M.I.K.e7 · June 28th, 2002

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I agree. FPS' on consoles won't work unless you have a keyboard and mouse avaliable. The Analog sticks simply aren't quick enough.

True, but even then it's a very different experience, since most players seem to like that they can sit on a couch while playing on a console, which isn't possible if you need to control mouse and keyboard.
Also I tried Soldier of Fortune on the Dreamcast with mouse and keyboard, and it was far from perfect. Not to mention the very long loading times and the fact that each PC level was split into smaller parts.

My point is, if you have to play a FPS like on a PC to play it right then you could as well play it on the PC.

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Hydra · June 28th, 2002

Well since you've got the game you've got 2 options:

1. Stick it out with the pad and try to get used to it more.
2. Or spend more money on KeyBoard and Mouse if the game is compatible, then you,ve got the best setup there is really.

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Quatro · June 28th, 2002

well if your gonna paly it in the consoel, learn to adjust to it... I played MOH (the first and second one) in PS1 and you have to adjust to some extent using the L1 and R1 pad. But don't expect that it would be easy though...

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Nameless · June 28th, 2002

Hmmm, why can't console gamepads have a rolling ball (like in some pc mice) that people could use to aim. It's much more easier. I already have the design in my head but I'm very bad at drawing, sadly

It would be on the back of the controller in place of L1 and R1 (the right side). That way, u can aim more fast and accurate. Ofcourse, moving and shooting with this might be a little bit hard, I think

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**Kane** · June 28th, 2002

Alternatively, it could take the place of one of the Analog sticks...

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Nameless · June 28th, 2002

Sure thing. It's strange such an Idea wasn't done 'till now. What about putting an anolog stick that comes out and under it is the ball

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Hanamichi · June 29th, 2002

Its a little hard to do that, because the controller would have to detect weather the analog stick is on or not, since a ball and an analog stick works differently. Besides, the analog stick will have to return to its original position once the user releases the stick from grip. Nice idea tho, they should work something out

I think Ill choose to get used to it... the thing is using the analog stick gives me headaches after like 10 mins of playing MOH. Dunno why

Cless · June 29th, 2002

fps suck for consoles. nice a ideas for the rolling ball though.

**ammoQ** · June 29th, 2002

I played "Disruptor" on the PSX, nice game, no problem with a digital pad. About the same feeling like playing Doom on the keyboard.

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Quatro · June 29th, 2002

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Originally posted by delita
fps suck for consoles. nice a ideas for the rolling ball though.

Rolling ball huh... well in my design class, I have experimented incorporating the mouse track ball in a PS controller... it was a innovative design my prof said!

Ninjaa · June 30th, 2002

I generally don't like fps games on consoles either, but there is a rare gem here and there. I hear that Halo is one, and I know that I play Perfect Dark quite a bit. But I am generally not a fan of fps games, and so I am usually quite happy with the console selection.

Nameless · June 30th, 2002

Halo, I really wonder how that game is played. It's much too fast to make mistakes because of the controller.

Hmmmm, why not try putting the the ball in the side of the pad, alone. That way u won't use it until u need it and it woun't have problems with the analog stick. I small ball that is sunk inside the pad woun't bee too annoying when holding it

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Hydra · June 30th, 2002

Yeah quite a nice idea, but it would be better accessed like the Z trigger on N64 pad was.

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Hanamichi Crotally Tazy Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Malaysia Posts: 4,578	FPS games for consoles Is it just me or do the controls suck ? I just bought MOH:Frontline for the PS2 and I can hardly enjoy it due to the controls, since i have to use the analog stick to walk around and aim. Why do people still give it 9.x ratings on gamespot? Or is it really just me?

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Quatro c3rTifiEd V@mpIr3 Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Laguna Posts: 8,292	well for FPS games or shooting games, we prefer using PC than consoles because of the easy flow of the controls... and much better because your up against many others in multiplayer modes __________________ BE ONE OF US I JOIN THE WOLF CLAN - when you think that you have accomplish so much, many think of it as so little...

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M.I.K.e7 King of Pain Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Germany Posts: 485	When Quake came out I had to learn the mouse/keyboard controls at first, but now I think that about any FPS is very hard to control by other means. __________________ The crownless again shall be King

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Kane 邪魔ゎ指せない Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Gosport, England Posts: 26,305	I agree. FPS' on consoles won't work unless you have a keyboard and mouse avaliable. The Analog sticks simply aren't quick enough. __________________ >Site Live< Pop over to my site for help with setting up PSX emulators. Help for the Final Fantasies and other RPGs avalaible Celes: (Desktop) Athlon 64 X2 4200+, 2Gb 400MHz DDR Ram, MSI K8N Platinum, GeForce 8800 GTS 320Mb, 500Gb RAID HDD, Vista Business Erika: (MCPC) Athlon XP 2400+, 1Gb 400MHz DDR Ram, geForce 6800 256Mb, 80Gb Hdd, XP 2005 MCE Kimiko: (Desktop 2) Athlon 64 3000+, 512Mb 400MHz DDR Ram, Asus K8V, geForce 6800 128Mb

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Syed Fawad -PM to advertise here- Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: In an average country of an average planet of the solar system of an average star of an average galaxy of an average cluster. Still not average... Posts: 8,260	I believe that there are keyboard and mices available for comsoles, to eliminate the control problem. IIRC Unreal tournament on the PS2 can even be played with a sharkboard. __________________ Asus K8N (nForce3) AMD64 3000+ (754) 768MB DDR 400MHz (PC 3200) nVidia Geforce 6600GT 128MB (AGP) Aquamark3 - 53,000 "Good friends mustn't always be together. It is the feeling of oneness when distant that proves a lasting friendship"

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Hydra ???!!!???!!!?!?! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: In your lunchbox. No don't open the lid! Ack the light it burns. Posts: 2,184	Yeah controls can be very annoying, but some console pads work very well with FPS like the N64 pad. __________________ Mobo: Asus A8V Deluxe CPU: AMD Athlon 64 3000+ RAM: 1024MB DDR400 Dual Channel Graphics: nVidia Geforce FX 6600 GT 128MB DDR3 HDD: 260GB OS: Windows XP SP2

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Hanamichi Crotally Tazy Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Malaysia Posts: 4,578	So I have to buy extra equipment to play the game. The graphics, sound and gameplay are amazing, IMO much better than the MOHAA for the PC but the controls are... When I first started using the mouse and keyboard for FPS gaming I liked it right away. Using analog sticks just wont suit me right. The D-pad works way better if only I could use it

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Hydra ???!!!???!!!?!?! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: In your lunchbox. No don't open the lid! Ack the light it burns. Posts: 2,184	Well since you've got the game you've got 2 options: 1. Stick it out with the pad and try to get used to it more. 2. Or spend more money on KeyBoard and Mouse if the game is compatible, then you,ve got the best setup there is really. __________________ Mobo: Asus A8V Deluxe CPU: AMD Athlon 64 3000+ RAM: 1024MB DDR400 Dual Channel Graphics: nVidia Geforce FX 6600 GT 128MB DDR3 HDD: 260GB OS: Windows XP SP2

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Quatro c3rTifiEd V@mpIr3 Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Laguna Posts: 8,292	well if your gonna paly it in the consoel, learn to adjust to it... I played MOH (the first and second one) in PS1 and you have to adjust to some extent using the L1 and R1 pad. But don't expect that it would be easy though... __________________ BE ONE OF US I JOIN THE WOLF CLAN - when you think that you have accomplish so much, many think of it as so little...

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Nameless r u really that bored? :P Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Saudi Arabia Posts: 1,925	Hmmm, why can't console gamepads have a rolling ball (like in some pc mice) that people could use to aim. It's much more easier. I already have the design in my head but I'm very bad at drawing, sadly It would be on the back of the controller in place of L1 and R1 (the right side). That way, u can aim more fast and accurate. Ofcourse, moving and shooting with this might be a little bit hard, I think __________________ --To every problem, there is a solution (other than death, of course ). So, just smile!!.....okay that's a load of crap but you already know that. 3 years and still fighting!! Systems: - Modified Mac Mini: 2GHz Core Duo, 2GB RAM, 100GB 7200RPM HD, Dual-Boot Mac & XP - HP Tablet PC TC1100: 1.1GHz Centrino, 1GB RAM, 60GB 7200RPM HD, Vista Ultimate

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Kane 邪魔ゎ指せない Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Gosport, England Posts: 26,305	Alternatively, it could take the place of one of the Analog sticks... __________________ >Site Live< Pop over to my site for help with setting up PSX emulators. Help for the Final Fantasies and other RPGs avalaible Celes: (Desktop) Athlon 64 X2 4200+, 2Gb 400MHz DDR Ram, MSI K8N Platinum, GeForce 8800 GTS 320Mb, 500Gb RAID HDD, Vista Business Erika: (MCPC) Athlon XP 2400+, 1Gb 400MHz DDR Ram, geForce 6800 256Mb, 80Gb Hdd, XP 2005 MCE Kimiko: (Desktop 2) Athlon 64 3000+, 512Mb 400MHz DDR Ram, Asus K8V, geForce 6800 128Mb

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Nameless r u really that bored? :P Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Saudi Arabia Posts: 1,925	Sure thing. It's strange such an Idea wasn't done 'till now. What about putting an anolog stick that comes out and under it is the ball __________________ --To every problem, there is a solution (other than death, of course ). So, just smile!!.....okay that's a load of crap but you already know that. 3 years and still fighting!! Systems: - Modified Mac Mini: 2GHz Core Duo, 2GB RAM, 100GB 7200RPM HD, Dual-Boot Mac & XP - HP Tablet PC TC1100: 1.1GHz Centrino, 1GB RAM, 60GB 7200RPM HD, Vista Ultimate Last edited by Nameless; June 28th, 2002 at 22:27..

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Hanamichi Crotally Tazy Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Malaysia Posts: 4,578	Its a little hard to do that, because the controller would have to detect weather the analog stick is on or not, since a ball and an analog stick works differently. Besides, the analog stick will have to return to its original position once the user releases the stick from grip. Nice idea tho, they should work something out I think Ill choose to get used to it... the thing is using the analog stick gives me headaches after like 10 mins of playing MOH. Dunno why

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Cless Banned Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 1,809	fps suck for consoles. nice a ideas for the rolling ball though.

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ammoQ Emu author Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Vienna/Austria/Europe Posts: 1,168	I played "Disruptor" on the PSX, nice game, no problem with a digital pad. About the same feeling like playing Doom on the keyboard. __________________ If you think my English is bad, wait till you read my Polish.

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Ninjaa Banned Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Soviet Canuckistan Posts: 7,778	I generally don't like fps games on consoles either, but there is a rare gem here and there. I hear that Halo is one, and I know that I play Perfect Dark quite a bit. But I am generally not a fan of fps games, and so I am usually quite happy with the console selection.

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Nameless r u really that bored? :P Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Saudi Arabia Posts: 1,925	Halo, I really wonder how that game is played. It's much too fast to make mistakes because of the controller. Hmmmm, why not try putting the the ball in the side of the pad, alone. That way u won't use it until u need it and it woun't have problems with the analog stick. I small ball that is sunk inside the pad woun't bee too annoying when holding it __________________ --To every problem, there is a solution (other than death, of course ). So, just smile!!.....okay that's a load of crap but you already know that. 3 years and still fighting!! Systems: - Modified Mac Mini: 2GHz Core Duo, 2GB RAM, 100GB 7200RPM HD, Dual-Boot Mac & XP - HP Tablet PC TC1100: 1.1GHz Centrino, 1GB RAM, 60GB 7200RPM HD, Vista Ultimate

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Hydra ???!!!???!!!?!?! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: In your lunchbox. No don't open the lid! Ack the light it burns. Posts: 2,184	Yeah quite a nice idea, but it would be better accessed like the Z trigger on N64 pad was. __________________ Mobo: Asus A8V Deluxe CPU: AMD Athlon 64 3000+ RAM: 1024MB DDR400 Dual Channel Graphics: nVidia Geforce FX 6600 GT 128MB DDR3 HDD: 260GB OS: Windows XP SP2