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[Hiei-YYH]

piracy contributes a lot, that's why ps3 is not outselling the 360.

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[Spyhop]

Originally Posted by Paratech

Considering the 360 failure rate and the fact the PS3 is a "better" system, it should be outselling the 360, not neck and neck with it,

The 360 was established for a year. While it's failure rate was high, it was the established, incumbent console. The fact the the PS3's sales were on par with an incumbent system, in spite of the PS3's lack of games on release, speaks a lot for the quality of the console.

and that doesn't compete at all with the Wii.

The Wii is a different class of console. It bears no relevance to either the 360 or the PS3.

Originally Posted by Hiei-YYH

piracy contributes a lot, that's why ps3 is not outselling the 360.

bullocks. The vast majority of console gamers don't even know how to pirate for consoles.

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[Paratech]

Please, people buy the Wii to play games, the PS3 offers games AND Blu Ray and it still can't compete. People just want to play casual games, the Wii offers that and legal emulation and more people like that than the PS3 and Blu Ray.

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[Hiei-YYH]

like i said, it contributes a lot, if the ps3 could load isos from the hard disk or bluray backups, it probably would sell a lot more... that's for sure.

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[Spyhop]

Originally Posted by Paratech

Please, people buy the Wii to play games, the PS3 offers games AND Blu Ray and it still can't compete.

Different classes of products. Do I really have to go into detail to tell you why cheaper, underfeatured products outsell more expensive, fully-featured ones? How many cheapie Insignia-brand TVs do you think are on the market compared to the Aquos? That doesn't mean there isn't a market for the better product.

Originally Posted by Hiei-YYH

like i said, it contributes a lot

No it doesn't, it contributes very very little on consoles. Most console gamers don't know how to pirate. Only the enthusiasts do, and we are not a majority.

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[Paratech]

If you want a blu ray player and a gaming system, it makes -0- sense to buy the cheaper model. By your very own words you prove my point that people either don't like the PS3 games as well as the Wii games, or/and they don't want blu ray.

If you look even at $400 a blu ray player and a Wii are more expensive than a PS3 which can do both. A Wii, unless you mod it, cannot even play DVDs, although DVD players can be had cheap.

The point is the PS3 offers a system and a Blu Ray player, which even at $400 is a bargain compared to buying any other gaming system and a Blu Ray player, and yet more people wanted to play simple games on the Wii. That should tell you something.

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[Spyhop]

Originally Posted by Paratech

If you want a blu ray player and a gaming system, it makes -0- sense to buy the cheaper model. By your very own words you prove my point that people either don't like the PS3 games as well as the Wii games, or/and they don't want blu ray.

If you look even at $400 a blu ray player and a Wii are more expensive than a PS3 which can do both. A Wii, unless you mod it, cannot even play DVDs, although DVD players can be had cheap.

The point is the PS3 offers a system and a Blu Ray player, which even at $400 is a bargain compared to buying any other gaming system and a Blu Ray player, and yet more people wanted to play simple games on the Wii. That should tell you something.

Oh my GOD. Arguing with someone like you, who is devoid of all logic, is bloody infuriating. Blu-ray wasn't even part of our discussion, and very few people buy the PS3 just for the bluray. You're trying to cloud the issue with BS.

Suffice it to say,

THE WII IS NOT IN THE SAME CATEGORY AS THE PS3 OR THE 360. THEY'RE INTENDED FOR A DIFFERENT GAMING AUDIENCE COMPLETELY. THE WII HAS NO REAL COMPETITION IN IT'S CLASS. STOP COMPARING IT TO SYSTEMS THAT HAVE LITTLE TO NOTHING IN COMMON WITH IT.

Also, there's a good percentage of people who bought the Nintendo Hype-Machine that almost never touch it.

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*Compares Wii to PS3/360*
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Originally Posted by Hiei-YYH

like i said, it contributes a lot, if the ps3 could load isos from the hard disk or bluray backups, it probably would sell a lot more... that's for sure.

I agree with you. If that happens and PS3 got hacked, 95% of middle-easterns who owns 360 will buy PS3

[PCXL-Fan]

Although its kinda unfair, Microsofts RROD is less of an achilles heel then one might think. A few years down the road when an individuals extended warrantee run out for their RROD systems they'll be practically locked in with all the 360 games they own. So they ar to buy the same system, rather then try to pawn off all their games for a fraction of their value and switch to a ps3.

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[Paratech]

People do choose between the Wii, the PS3, and the 360. Keep pretending that people care that the Wii isn't as powerful, but the average gamer considers all three systems when making a decision about which gaming system to purchase.

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[Spyhop]

Originally Posted by Paratech

People do choose between the Wii, the PS3, and the 360. Keep pretending that people care that the Wii isn't as powerful, but the average gamer considers all three systems when making a decision about which gaming system to purchase.

You're right. Obviously Bugatti went wrong with the Veyron because Fiat grossly outsells them.

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[Paratech]

Originally Posted by Spyhop

You're right. Obviously Bugatti went wrong with the Veyron because Fiat grossly outsells them.

Apples to oranges, when you're talking about $25,000 to $100,000+ cars there's a big difference to video game systems that cost $250 - $400.

You seem to forget history, back in the late seventies / early 80s many people shelled out $299 for an Atari 2600, and upwards of $50 for crappy games like Pac Man, even poor people did so.

Flash forward to the present day, most people who want to buy a video game system think through all three systems. They consider all three as viable. If the PS3 was still selling @ $600, I might understand your point, but even at $400 it was a good deal, particularly if you wanted a blu ray player.

The big expense to video game systems is NOT the system, BTW, but the games. If you want to own more than a handful of games, you'll spend more on the games than the system. $10 difference between the Wii and the PS3/360 means little to people. Plus some people like the games the Wii offers. There are Nintendo fans, or people who like the sports type games, or the people who like legal emulation. Bottom line though is that when gamers go to a Gamestop, Wal Mart, K Mart or any other store that sells video games, they see all three systems, all three systems games, and consider all options before buying a system and games.

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[Spyhop]

Originally Posted by Paratech

Apples to oranges, when you're talking about $25,000 to $100,000+ cars there's a big difference to video game systems that cost $250 - $400.

Nope, sorry, you can't have it both ways.
Either you acknowledge that there's different markets for cheaper less-featured products than higher priced better ones, or you accept that Bugatti got it wrong. Or, if you want me to get a little closer in price, Porsche.

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[Paratech]

I'm not having it both ways, a lot of middle class people cannot afford luxury cars, even to buy a new car they have to take out loans.

A gaming system can be saved for in a few months. let's say you save $30 a month, in ~8 months you can buy a Wii, in a little over 13 you would have $400, so the difference is not that big, whereas cars you're talking about upwards of 2X many people's incomes per year. If you can't understand the difference between $75,000+ and $150, I think you need to relearn a few things... Even I could save up $150 if I wanted to discipline myself a bit, and I'm below the poverty level. There is no way I could save $75,000...

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[Spyhop]

Then explain why cheaper TVs sell more. Those are well within middle income budgets.
People who don't know the difference will almost always opt for the cheaper option, because they don't know any better. You ask a sampling of Wii buyers what the difference is between the Wii and the 360 and I'll wager half of them won't know.

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[bobrocks95]

Then why don't you spend hundreds to thousands of dollars on a national survey/test in order to prove your point to a person on the internet you don't know? Seriously, who cares? All the consoles are good, they all offer different unique games for different people, everybody needs to shut up and stop comparing them.

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[Paratech]

Originally Posted by Spyhop

Then explain why cheaper TVs sell more. Those are well within middle income budgets.
People who don't know the difference will almost always opt for the cheaper option, because they don't know any better. You ask a sampling of Wii buyers what the difference is between the Wii and the 360 and I'll wager half of them won't know.

I'd wager that all they care about is playing games and that all three systems do that. I'd also imagine that many know about DVD and Blu Ray but are buying a system to play games.

Still they're buying one of three systems to play video games, so they considered the Wii, PS3, and the 360, but chose the Wii.

Still, I'll drop the issue after this post, perhaps we'll have to agree to disagree.

But to your scenario about TVs, I don't know nor care about the differences either, all I would care about is if I were to buy an HDTV is that it could play HDTV cable and Video Games, a port to plug a PC in would be nice as well as I would like to use an old Computer to play emulation. In the long run I'd still evaluate the whole group of TVs, but what I mentioned is all I would want.

However to compare the PSP to the DSi, I preferred the PSP and did factor in the 4GB memory card, buying Playstation games online, the UMD slot, the ability to play videos, and the games for the PSP, so I don't always take the "cheap" route even though I am poor.

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Originally Posted by Exodus

Sony'll get my money when the PS3 goes down to at least $200.

You sure have become quite the lavish man recently haven't you?

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[Paratech]

Originally Posted by Proto

You sure have become quite the lavish man recently haven't you?

I wouldn't rule that out at the end of the PS3s "life cycle" after the successor is released, after all the PS2 is $99 now, which is a great deal, and maybe in 3-4 years the prices for Blu Ray and the other parts will drop. I can't predict the future, but we've seen the PS2 and other systems drop a lot in price. Still, I won't hold my breath waiting.

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