Final Fantasy XIII PS3 compromised...

[Silenus]

There was a fourth disc in the international version but with no gameplay.

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[runawayprisoner]

Well, however many discs the game is gonna have, we know by now that they intend to dumb down model quality and texture quality as well as other nice extra just to make the game "fair" on both consoles. So it's either S-E being lazy, or Microsoft shelling out more cash to make sure FFXIII is equal on both consoles regardless of technical differences.

So in my opinions, it's either Microsoft to blame, or S-E to blame, or both. And even if PS3 fanboys fuss about it, it ain't like they have a silly reason. I've played the demo and it was looking okay... but if it's dumbed down any more, it would be almost like FFXII at a higher resolution. Pity... but it seems like I'll go with the 360 version in the end, since I can install the complete game onto the hard drive and enjoy faster loading time or smoother gameplay.

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[N49ATV]

I hope they dont make it equal, though Im sure they will. Just give Xbox users more discs, and allow them to dump to the hard drive. Or swap discs. I hate when companies penalize the players of a game due to polical nonsense.

I own both machines, and Ill buy whatever one is better.

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[Exodus]

Maybe it's all a ploy so they can release a second version of the game later on with everything for the PS3, and sell double copies to people.

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[Dynamo]

Originally Posted by runawayprisoner

Well, however many discs the game is gonna have, we know by now that they intend to dumb down model quality and texture quality as well as other nice extra just to make the game "fair" on both consoles. So it's either S-E being lazy, or Microsoft shelling out more cash to make sure FFXIII is equal on both consoles regardless of technical differences.

So in my opinions, it's either Microsoft to blame, or S-E to blame, or both. And even if PS3 fanboys fuss about it, it ain't like they have a silly reason. I've played the demo and it was looking okay... but if it's dumbed down any more, it would be almost like FFXII at a higher resolution. Pity... but it seems like I'll go with the 360 version in the end, since I can install the complete game onto the hard drive and enjoy faster loading time or smoother gameplay.

This is speculation at best.

but if it's dumbed down any more, it would be almost like FFXII at a higher resolution.

When they say optimize for performance... they wouldn't take it that far.. They just made too detailed models.

I could see them saving some stuff for DLC though....

Still want it for the console it was originally designed for.

I haven't seen a game they had to make like a ps2 game to work on the 360 compared to ps3.... If anything a lot of the 360 games do actually look better.. Even though that's the devs fault and a little off topic.

[Dynamo]

Final Fantasy XIII Dated

Sony Computer Entertainment president Kaz Hirai was also in attendance at the event. Before leading attendees in a toast, he spoke briefly, recapping the history of the Final Fantasy franchise on PlayStation. He also made mention of plans for a PlayStation 3 slim hardware bundle for FFXIII.

FFXIII producer Yoshinori Kitase and director Motomu Toriyama spoke briefly as well. Noting the large number of international press in attendance, he said that Square Enix hopes to get the game out faster than the half year or year it took for previous titles, and is aiming for a Spring release.

Ooops.. meant to post this is ps3 sales up 999% thread..

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[runawayprisoner]

Originally Posted by Dynamo

This is speculation at best.

I'll bet anything it'll come true as it's feasible. Anyway, it just means you'll have to go through the game once more for some quests if you didn't finish them earlier. Aside from that, I don't see any other disadvantages.

At least I hope it won't be as annoying as the disc swapping of Star Ocean 4...

Lymie would have said: "It's annoying, 'kay?"

When they say optimize for performance... they wouldn't take it that far.. They just made too detailed models.

Nope, the demo on the PS3 (that comes with Advent Children Complete, which I had to import) looks a level higher than the visuals from those trailers that they show for the 360. If they decide to "equalize" the game then it'll look different from the demo indeed. Note that since we have the demo on our hands, we can actually deduct the differences in visuals and catch S-E red-handed when it happens. There's really no excuse to dumbing down the game to match the 360.

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[Phil]

Unless MS bought them off

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[runawayprisoner]

They did. Why do you think it's coming to 360 in the first place? And why do you think they have to make both versions come out at the same time?

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[VT-Vincent]

Honestly, the graphics in most modern games have become so good to the point where I wouldn't mind if they slimmed things down slightly to give both 360 and PS3 players an equal experience. I can respect them for that, and I can also understand why they're doing it. I think this is more of a market test than anything, essentially taking a A-grade RPG, completely equal on both platforms and releasing both at the same time. It would seem to me they are trying to gauge the PS3's viability in North America.

I think I'll reserve judgment until seeing what changes have actually been finalized.

Disclaimer: I'm a 360 owner and I will likely buy a PS3 early next year.

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[runawayprisoner]

No, see... you're not getting something here. The game was never planned for the 360 to begin with. S-E was working on the game exclusively for the PS3 for many years, then... boom, two years ago, Microsoft "expressed" interest in the game and "provided financial support" to S-E, under the conditions that the game come to the 360, it has to be an equal experience across platforms, and it has to launch at the same time as the PS3 version. I don't want to make Microsoft out to be the villain here as they were just doing their job, but really, they're still to blame for this.

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[masta.g.86]

But who accepted MS's bribe money?

If SE really was interested in releasing a pure, "untainted" game they either wouldn't have accepted a deal with MS or wouldn't be worried about releasing a game that is "equal" on both systems and just do the best they can with each system. So either the problem is that they are greedy or lazy. Probably both.

In the end the problems are from SE, not MS. If you want to look at it another way, MS is the devil's advocate and SE is the actual sinner.

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[Spyhop]

Originally Posted by masta.g.86

But who accepted MS's bribe money?

I wouldn't call it bribe money. That would suggest something unethical. This was plain good business.

If SE really was interested in releasing a pure, "untainted" game they either wouldn't have accepted a deal with MS or wouldn't be worried about releasing a game that is "equal" on both systems and just do the best they can with each system.

I'm sorry masta, but you're living in a world of make-believe. With flowers and bells and leprechauns and gumdrop houses on lollipop lane.

SE is interested in making money. That is the sole reason for their existence, like any business, and that's not a bad or evil thing. Their goal is to attract as many people as possible to the game they're making and the 360 lets them do that.

So either the problem is that they are greedy or lazy. Probably both.

Neither. It's just business.

In the end the problems are from SE, not MS. If you want to look at it another way, MS is the devil's advocate and SE is the actual sinner.

Making money != evil.

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[masta.g.86]

And here we go.

I'm not sure where the hell you got it in your head that I'm saying making money is evil or that SE is even interested in releasing a "good" game over profit. You're reciprocating everything I just stated.

All of the conjecture in this thread seems to focus on MS being the bad guy behind why FFXIII is being compromised. SE accepted an agreement with MS to publish this game on their system. At this time, we don't know what the exact terms are within this agreement. Yes, they are a business so it makes sense for them to put this out to as many gamers as possible. They don't care if this ends up being their biggest turd. They know ahead of time that they can ride the FF reputation and loyal fans for all they are worth. I'm just saying that if SE was concerned with game quality, they wouldn't have made any agreement with MS or try to be "fair" on both consoles.

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[Phil]

SE should do us a favor. If they release it thisway, why not release a PC version? That can let us crank up the graphics.

Seriously, id pay $80 for a FFXIII PC version

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[Spyhop]

Originally Posted by masta.g.86

MS is the devil's advocate and SE is the actual sinner.

Originally Posted by masta.g.86

I'm not sure where the hell you got it in your head that I'm saying making money is evil or that SE is even interested in releasing a "good" game over profit.

Gee, I dunno.

Originally Posted by Phil

Seriously, id pay $50 for a FFXIII PC Steam version

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[masta.g.86]

Originally Posted by Spyhop

Gee, I dunno.

I'll be sure to write things more clearly since some people respond only to individual posts and don't bother reading previous posts in the thread.

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[runawayprisoner]

Originally Posted by Phil

SE should do us a favor. If they release it thisway, why not release a PC version? That can let us crank up the graphics.

Seriously, id pay $80 for a FFXIII PC version

Release a PC version and delay the game even further? No thanks!

And I got enough of The Last Remnant on PC. S-E has fallen down to the level of EA ever since they pulled the prank that was FFXI. Granted they got some titles out, but IMO, they've over-abused the FF franchise for far too long. Something has gotta happen.

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Originally Posted by runawayprisoner

Release a PC version and delay the game even further? No thanks!

And I got enough of The Last Remnant on PC. S-E has fallen down to the level of EA ever since they pulled the prank that was FFXI. Granted they got some titles out, but IMO, they've over-abused the FF franchise for far too long. Something has gotta happen.

I think your overreacting considering how the PC version of a console game comes later for the PC i don't really think it would delay it any longer (example: RE 5). And yes i think i would try and do a sacrifice and buy it for 80$ on the PC as well.

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