Sony to reintroduce PS2 BC on the PS3?

skoreanime · July 2nd, 2009

bit-tech.net | Sony to reintroduce PS2 emulation on PS3?

Interesting.

If it can be done with a simple firmware update, hallelujah. If not...eh, PCSX2 is still going strong and my new slim PS2 should run for at least a few years

masta.g.86 · July 2nd, 2009

Yes, it seems Sony is gearing up to rerelease PS2 BC after they resolve some speed and compatibility issues. Maybe they should get in contact with the PCSX2 team. :/

Anyway, 60GB NTSC PS3 FTW!

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Paratech · July 2nd, 2009

Somehow I can't envision Sony being friendly with emulation authors if you consider what they did to Bleem! and the PSX emulator they bought out to prevent it from selling.

I wonder if they are desperate to get PS3 sales and see backwards compatibility to help sell PS3s?

BTW this snippet doesn't sound good?

"It may instead indicate that Sony is going to start selling PlayStation 2 games on PSN, rather than letting gamers play the games they already have."

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snickothemule · July 2nd, 2009

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It may instead indicate that Sony is going to start selling PlayStation 2 games on PSN, rather than letting gamers play the games they already have

unlikely they will neuter PS2 disc support should they follow through with re-introducing backwards compatibility, they didn't with PSone discs so no reason to do it to PS2, but that is good that they are proposing to have games available for DL.

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masta.g.86 · July 2nd, 2009

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Somehow I can't envision Sony being friendly with emulation authors if you consider what they did to Bleem! and the PSX emulator they bought out to prevent it from selling.

That was just a joke.

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BTW this snippet doesn't sound good?

"It may instead indicate that Sony is going to start selling PlayStation 2 games on PSN, rather than letting gamers play the games they already have."

Sounds good enough to drive people into a frenzy. I can see Sony execs talking about this seriously in a board meeting until someone with a little common sense pops up and says that this is a stupid idea.

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unlikely they will neuter PS2 disc support should they follow through with re-introducing backwards compatibility, but that is good that they are proposing to have games available for DL.

Agreed. PS2 games are still being actively developed by a few companies and many retail outlets still sell brand-new copies. If Sony can pull off software BC (and do it properly) there will be one more incentive to move up to a PS3. The PS3's upscaler for PS2 games looks really nice on all of the PS2 games that I've played on my PS3. I get hi-res graphics with better compatibility than PCSX2.

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Squall-Leonhart · July 2nd, 2009

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Maybe they should get in contact with the PCSX2 team.

who's to say they haven't

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PCXL-Fan · July 2nd, 2009

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Agreed. PS2 games are still being actively developed by a few companies and many retail outlets still sell brand-new copies. If Sony can pull off software BC (and do it properly) there will be one more incentive to move up to a PS3. The PS3's upscaler for PS2 games looks really nice on all of the PS2 games that I've played on my PS3. I get hi-res graphics with better compatibility than PCSX2.

Are you basing your experience off of the original 60gb ps3?

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masta.g.86 · July 2nd, 2009

Yes. I've tried out all of my old PS2 games and they all run flawlessly.

I've tried out a few of these same games on the 80GB software BC PS3 and ran into numerous problems with some of the games, hence my *and do it properly* remark.

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PCXL-Fan · July 2nd, 2009

okay sorry about that. I wonder how the newer much much more software based emulating ps3s compare to pcsx2 at the moment.

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masta.g.86 · July 2nd, 2009

There was a nice little pie graph floating around that detailed about 60% of games ran fine while the other 40% had problems ranging from messed up graphics/sound to not even booting on the software BC units. I'd say PCSX2 is catching up quite nicely.

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strike105x · July 2nd, 2009

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**Cid Highwind** · July 2nd, 2009

I'll believe it when I see it. They dropped it a long time ago, and knowing Sony they'd be beating their chest by now saying that they did what Microsoft wasn't able to pull off. Also, I'd rather see them create a PSP emulator for it, that would allow PSP games to be downloaded and played in higher resolution, adding online play. I'd get a PS3 only for Monster Hunter already.

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BigIg · July 2nd, 2009

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Yes. I've tried out all of my old PS2 games and they all run flawlessly.

I've tried out a few of these same games on the 80GB software BC PS3 and ran into numerous problems with some of the games, hence my *and do it properly* remark.

Doesn't the hardware-based PS2 'emulation' just scale everything up? I.e.: Not a real improvement.

640x480 at 720p is still 640x480... scaled to 720p.

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PCXL-Fan · July 2nd, 2009

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Doesn't the hardware-based PS2 'emulation' just scale everything up? I.e.: Not a real improvement.

640x480 at 720p is still 640x480... scaled to 720p.

yup. All HDTVs have scalers as well, but lower end models probably don't compare to the ps3 upscalers.

just found this ign article on ps3 upscaling.
http://media.ps3.ign.com/articles/79...75/imgs_1.html

It seems to really help with reducing the aliasing. I could see the big benefit with it on large hdtvs

To me the the comparison between ps3 upscaling and pcsx2 is pretty close to the comparison between bluray and 1080p upscaling of DVDs. So PCSX2 is much better looking.

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Samor · July 2nd, 2009

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I'll believe it when I see it. They dropped it a long time ago, and knowing Sony they'd be beating their chest by now saying that they did what Microsoft wasn't able to pull off. Also, I'd rather see them create a PSP emulator for it, that would allow PSP games to be downloaded and played in higher resolution, adding online play. I'd get a PS3 only for Monster Hunter already.

at least MS has a compatibility list... and the games that I tried run well on the 360 (being DOA Ultimate, Shenmue 2 and Outrun 2)

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skoreanime · July 2nd, 2009

PS3s compatability list is really lame.

It's like they test a game for only a couple hours before branding it Playable on the PS3. Which isn't the case. I started a Tales game on the PS3, cause the site said it played fine on my 80GB model.

The game hanged at the same point a few hours into the game. I would've been seriously pissed if it wasn't for the fact I could just transfer the save to my PS2 mem card and play past that point on the PS2.

Oh and Paratech, there's a big difference between the Bleem authors and the PCSX2 team. They don't blatantly rip off of Sony's coding, rebrand it and sell it for profit.

**Cid Highwind** · July 3rd, 2009

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And STILL it looks better on Dreamcast, damn they butchered that version...

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Oh and Paratech, there's a big difference between the Bleem authors and the PCSX2 team. They don't blatantly rip off of Sony's coding, rebrand it and sell it for profit.

Please provide some backup for that statement. All I've seen are court cases won by Bleem because they weren't doing anything wrong from a legal pov.

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skoreanime · July 3rd, 2009

Ok, my use of blatantly was a bit misused there...should've said apparent rip off.

I just vaguely remember reading an article in some no name PC magazine years ago about how a person claimed that the reason why bleem ran was because they took Sonys PS1 BIOS and used it as their own to run the emulator.

But meh, bleem would've died a couple years later anyways. Other great PS1 emulators were starting to pop up around that time I believe...

BigIg · July 3rd, 2009

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yup. All HDTVs have scalers as well, but lower end models probably don't compare to the ps3 upscalers.

Yeah but the scaling isn't very impressive. A software based solution like what PCSX2 has going on would be great if it had good compatibility.

The Xbox 360's emulation for example, while not having enough supported games, it actually makes the games run in HD, it's not just scaling.

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masta.g.86 · July 3rd, 2009

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I hate it when sites try and compare 2 pictures to each other by doing a screen cap and then putting the images "side by side". If one side is a screen cap @ 480i and the other is @ 1080p, then one of these pics was resized and doing so will introduce artifacts and bluriness (depending on the resize filter used). Who's to say that they only took a screen cap from the games as run on the PS2 and put a PhotoShop layer of half of the pic, adjusted the color a bit, and added some mild gaussian blurring? If they wanted an authentic comparison, both pics would have to be shown at 1:1.

Grrr... Anyway, from what I can see on my own system is that games have fewer "jaggies" but it doesn't become blurry at all. The game is just as "sharp" as when I run it with upscaling turned off. It's akin to running a game in PCSX2 in native and then cranking up the internal resolution.

Again, this is my experience with my hardware BC PS3.

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Paratech Registered User Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Franklin, Pa Posts: 4,123	Somehow I can't envision Sony being friendly with emulation authors if you consider what they did to Bleem! and the PSX emulator they bought out to prevent it from selling. I wonder if they are desperate to get PS3 sales and see backwards compatibility to help sell PS3s? BTW this snippet doesn't sound good? "It may instead indicate that Sony is going to start selling PlayStation 2 games on PSN, rather than letting gamers play the games they already have." __________________ -Dreams of getting a new 360 XBOX in 201x. -Current consoles: Playstation 2 and Wii, also has DS/GBA and a PSP 3000 -PC: AMD 5000 2.6 Dual Core, 2GB Ram, 8600 GeForce GT video card, SB Live!, Win XP SP3

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skoreanime Your resident reaper... Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 6,031	PS3s compatability list is really lame. It's like they test a game for only a couple hours before branding it Playable on the PS3. Which isn't the case. I started a Tales game on the PS3, cause the site said it played fine on my 80GB model. The game hanged at the same point a few hours into the game. I would've been seriously pissed if it wasn't for the fact I could just transfer the save to my PS2 mem card and play past that point on the PS2. Oh and Paratech, there's a big difference between the Bleem authors and the PCSX2 team. They don't blatantly rip off of Sony's coding, rebrand it and sell it for profit.

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skoreanime Your resident reaper... Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 6,031	Ok, my use of blatantly was a bit misused there...should've said apparent rip off. I just vaguely remember reading an article in some no name PC magazine years ago about how a person claimed that the reason why bleem ran was because they took Sonys PS1 BIOS and used it as their own to run the emulator. But meh, bleem would've died a couple years later anyways. Other great PS1 emulators were starting to pop up around that time I believe...