The Final Fantasy -Anything Thread

[Exodus]

Yeah. That too. They made the second coolest part of FF games useless (summons). Go Square! Kill limits and summons.

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[Xblade]

Originally Posted by eyt

How about our honest opinion on the game rather than basing it on review sites? Do you honestly think XII is better than most of the more recent FFs? VII, VIII, IX, X?

Let's see, Basch hits 4k, Fran hits 3k only faster. You do the calculations, but if one member hits harder while the other hits softer but faster, the damage output will relatively be the same. You have no major reason to use Basch over Fran or vice versa because the difference is fairly small.

I just listed over 5 review sites. What your not understanding is that those reviews are done by human beings. They have feelings and opinions to ya know. There not payed or endorsed by square in any way. Are you implying that they got together and said, "lets give this game a high rating for the sake of kicks, lulz, and shenanigans". I think not.
They can't all be lying can they? :O

Gameplay wise XII was arguably better then all previous final fantasy games. Story wise- not so much. I've beated 3,6,7,8,9,10,12, crystal chronicles, crystal chronicles (ds), and revenant wings.

Fran has high defense and when she hits its not that much faster than basche. Basche has normal normal defense and high strength. Numerous things effect a character most obviously there growth rates. THe diference is not fairly small either. A cutscene hinted something very obvious.
Fraan+Beserk+Katana= 3 hit+ combo most of the time.
The same can't be said for basche. Penelo accels at magic and has high hp.
I haven't used ashelia because I don't like her. Balthiers speed accuracy and combo rate pawn all.

BTW: Your opinion is biased. You didn't like the style of gameplay.

Originally Posted by Exodus

Yeah. That too. They made the second coolest part of FF games useless (summons). Go Square! Kill limits and summons.

That's because people complained so much about the games being totally focused on limits and summons. Go figure, they listen.

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the PS3 needs to be a little more slimer??? the way I see it , its as big as a laptop lol
i remember psp slime was more slimey

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[Cross]

I'm not implying any of those. Not saying it doesn't deserve majority of those scores either. The argument here is how well does FFXII rank up with other Final Fantasy in the series. Not as a stand-alone game.

You used sales as your first argument, saying how its on par with FFX, but then again, it was expected to sell. Now you listed a number of sites with high review scores on it, do you think that would ultimately determine its place? Famitsu gave it a perfect 10, does that mean its the best Final Fantasy among what's out there? I hope not.

Originally Posted by Xblade

Story wise- not so much.

This I have to agree. I may be biased over the gameplay, that's why I said "one of MY major gripes" but just because I was a little one-sided on one aspect, it doesn't entirely rule out FFXII as a weaker title in the series.

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[Squall-Leonhart]

Originally Posted by Exodus

The strange thing about FFVII, VIII and X is that it really all came down to what their limit breaks were. I remember magic as being pretty useless (other than healing spells), so everybody went melee. And since limit breaks was where the damage was at, that's where characters were chosen. I'd never use RedXIII, Tifa, Vincent, Zell, Irvine, Selphie, Quistis, Lulu, Rikku and the uh... blue guy, for example because they were just so below par.

Apparently on the gamespot ranking, Rinoa is rated most useless.... however i don't think they took the fact she has 3 useful limits... Wishing star, Invincible moon, and Angelo Reverse (recover is useful to)

Quistis is only worth using if you can be bothered getting all the blue magic abilities, and Irvine if you can be bothered getting lots of ammo... pulse ammo kicks ass. i usually use Squall Zell and Rinoa though, since they don't really need any special items to use their skills, and the only useful skil Selphie has you will rarely ever get (The End).

Tifa is actually pretty tough, Final heaven is pretty nifty... but i disagree with saying Rikku is below par, her high speed and thief abilities make her very useful, infact even though all my characters are high stat i still keep a Rikku in my team consistently.

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To the one who said someone else's opinion is biased, everyone's is.

As for reviews, they aren't what they used to be. Every cover title in a magazine or a big name being reviewed on a site seem to get high reviews, or have a much higher chance of getting such. Getting a perfect 10 really isn't something special anymore. I remember almost eight years ago when Final Fantasy IX became one of the rare games to get a 9.75/10 in Game Informer, it actually meant something. The standards also seem a bit lower, in way of "giving leeway" to games, but a perfect 10, in my opinion, should be either very hard or impossible to get, as no game is perfect.

Speaking of bad things in recent Final Fantasy games, about the summons, I hated when I was playing Final Fantasy X-2, and was getting through it, and realized my suspicions of no (usable) summons were true. I died a little inside then. In my opinion, that (the lack of summons), all of the characters having no individuality, and lack of exploration (I'm talking a world map here, not the point A to point B crap from Final Fantasy X, but the almost completely non-linear nature of Final Fantasy X-2 was even worse) are the biggest gripes from me about the series, but all I see anyone complaining about is random battles, which isn't a make or break deal to me (I heavily prefer random battles though; it's not about which was used due to lack of hardware, but rather which is more fun [as for being more realistic, I could care less for since Final Fantasy is supposed to be fantasy]).

Originally Posted by ViperXtreme

Anyone know of Dead Fantasy? XD

Pretty interesting stuff, but the girl from Kingdom Hearts had no place being in it.

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[Fadingz]

FFXII hidden weapons :]
These and the more well known one, wyrmslayer(not in screenie), are not on the license board.

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[Squall-Leonhart]

compared to 2 ragnaroks and an ultimate weapon, they fail incredibly.

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[Squall-Leonhart]

the Zodiac Spear is awesome, i was close to getting one before my ps2's chip fried my memory card.

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Originally Posted by Squall-Leonhart

the Zodiac Spear is awesome, i was close to getting one before my ps2's chip fried my memory card.

I got it using the hard way...=_=
Trying to get a grand helmet atm...

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[Exodus]

Originally Posted by Squall-Leonhart

Apparently on the gamespot ranking, Rinoa is rated most useless.... however i don't think they took the fact she has 3 useful limits... Wishing star, Invincible moon, and Angelo Reverse (recover is useful to)

Those skills make her, at the very least, better than the other 3 I thought were sub-par.

Originally Posted by Squall-Leonhart

Quistis is only worth using if you can be bothered getting all the blue magic abilities, and Irvine if you can be bothered getting lots of ammo... pulse ammo kicks ass. i usually use Squall Zell and Rinoa though, since they don't really need any special items to use their skills, and the only useful skil Selphie has you will rarely ever get (The End).

While I did get all the blue magic for Quistis, I still didn't end up using her. I can't remember why, other than her not having an over-powered limit break. Maybe it was because white wind or grand guard wasn't there/was weak? Irvine I couldn't do because I hate bashing buttons, the added requirement of having ammo didn't help either. So yeah, my party ended up being the same as yours.

Originally Posted by Squall-Leonhart

Tifa is actually pretty tough, Final heaven is pretty nifty... but i disagree with saying Rikku is below par, her high speed and thief abilities make her very useful, infact even though all my characters are high stat i still keep a Rikku in my team consistently.

While the stealing is good, once you have the items it's kind of useless. And her mixing ability wasn't worth the effort of getting the right items. As for her speed, I don't really remember, but isn't Wakka kind of close in speed? I'm pretty sure my party ended up being Tidus, Wakka and Yuna. Although, now that I think about it, she might have been a primary replacement should something go wrong - it's been a while.

Originally Posted by Xblade

That's because people complained so much about the games being totally focused on limits and summons. Go figure, they listen.

You think so? I highly doubt fans asked for summons and limits to be useless. If anything, they asked that they be balanced. Square took the often-used trick in MMOs: Nerf it to hell since we don't know what to do with them.

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I only swapped in Wakka for flying types :P.

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[Phil]

FF12? Are people still defending this game?

Xblade let me ask you something..Famitsu gave 12 a perfect 10. Why? Because being a Japanese magazine, Square obviously payed them off.
For a more realistic view on rankings, look at 100 greatest games of all time lists. If FFXII is ANYWHERE on such a list, Hillary is Bin Ladens sister and the devil is shivering from the cold.

Let me give a more fitting comparison:

Final Fantasy XII vs. Chronotrigger. Both have similer battle systems.

But wich is better? CT came out 13 years ago, FFXII two years ago.

If you say FFXII is better then you will be raped and publically flogged by RPG veterans and even some people on this forum. Now I know this is a subjective matter but seriously. No Square Enix game made in the past three years can touch CT....or FFVI or FFIV...........

Comn. FFXII is 4GB's.......FFVI is 2.38mb......but they both have literally THE SAME story. The only difference is that FF12's stops after you jail Kefka (beat Vayne and the worthless Judges).....while in FF6 proper that's only the first HALF of the game.
Actually I'm understating it, scince Kefka is Jaiiled in the world of Balance, so FFXII's story is a QUARTER of FFVI's.

And FFVIs charecters are far more intertaining thank you very much.

Setzer would pwn Balthier anyday in the business of getting women.

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[Squall-Leonhart]

Chrono Trigger is the SEX of SNES games. (and i wouldn't even look at the PSX version because its bugged)

And Setzer is pwn, nobody does FF women better then him.

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[Exodus]

Eh... Balthier is better. Was there even any depth to Setzer's character?
Oh, and Xenogears > CT.

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[Phil]

He was a womanizer. that's all you need. and I've yet to play xenogears because its too expensive.

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[Exodus]

They only tell you he's a womanizer, don't they?
You know why Xenogears is so expensive? Because it's so godly. And God is not cheap.

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[Phil]

Yes But CT is More expensive. And I've already told you guys about the $700 price for ff6 on ebay.

Hey Exo can I borrow you r copy of Xenogears? I'll pay for shipping

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[Xblade]

Originally Posted by Phil

FF12? Are people still defending this game?

Xblade let me ask you something..Famitsu gave 12 a perfect 10. Why? Because being a Japanese magazine, Square obviously payed them off.
For a more realistic view on rankings, look at 100 greatest games of all time lists. If FFXII is ANYWHERE on such a list, Hillary is Bin Ladens sister and the devil is shivering from the cold.

Let me give a more fitting comparison:

Final Fantasy XII vs. Chronotrigger. Both have similer battle systems.

But wich is better? CT came out 13 years ago, FFXII two years ago.

If you say FFXII is better then you will be raped and publically flogged by RPG veterans and even some people on this forum. Now I know this is a subjective matter but seriously. No Square Enix game made in the past three years can touch CT....or FFVI or FFIV...........

Comn. FFXII is 4GB's.......FFVI is 2.38mb......but they both have literally THE SAME story. The only difference is that FF12's stops after you jail Kefka (beat Vayne and the worthless Judges).....while in FF6 proper that's only the first HALF of the game.
Actually I'm understating it, scince Kefka is Jaiiled in the world of Balance, so FFXII's story is a QUARTER of FFVI's.

And FFVIs charecters are far more intertaining thank you very much.

Setzer would pwn Balthier anyday in the business of getting women.

aying chrono trigger is better then any final fantasy game past VII is just horribly stupid.
Also you contradicted yourself several times in that post.
The same way you say that square payed of fimatsu for a 10 rating (dream on)
I can say they payed off the person who ranked it in the top 100 games list.
VI and chrono trigger were good the time they came out.
They rather suck now.

SIDE NOTE: I cannot fathom how disposed you were when playing XII to think it has a remotely similar battle system to Chrono trigger.

Originally Posted by Squall-Leonhart

Apparently on the gamespot ranking, Rinoa is rated most useless.... however i don't think they took the fact she has 3 useful limits... Wishing star, Invincible moon, and Angelo Reverse (recover is useful to)

Quistis is only worth using if you can be bothered getting all the blue magic abilities, and Irvine if you can be bothered getting lots of ammo... pulse ammo kicks ass. i usually use Squall Zell and Rinoa though, since they don't really need any special items to use their skills, and the only useful skil Selphie has you will rarely ever get (The End).

Tifa is actually pretty tough, Final heaven is pretty nifty... but i disagree with saying Rikku is below par, her high speed and thief abilities make her very useful, infact even though all my characters are high stat i still keep a Rikku in my team consistently.

Game spot is full of crap on that one. RINOA, ZELL, and SQUALL FTW.
The most epicely useless character has to be Auron. At later part of the games he can't hold a candle to any of your other characters at the same sphere level.

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Originally Posted by Sonic2036

the PS3 needs to be a little more slimer??? the way I see it , its as big as a laptop lol
i remember psp slime was more slimey

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Last edited by Xblade; August 30th, 2008 at 15:39. Reason: Automerged Doublepost

[Phil]

Xblade your still young.
To us who are older, story and atmosphere rank higher then graphics and flash.

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