The Final Fantasy -Anything Thread

[jonc2006]

xblade has been given a warning for flaming, anyone else doing it will get one as well so take innocence's advice and cut the crap.

__________________

Antec 900/Antec Truepower Quattro 1000W/eVGA 780i SLI/Windows XP Media SP2 & Windows Vista Ultimate 32-bit SP1/Intel Core 2 Duo E8400@4.0GHz/Dual eVGA e-Geforce GTX280 1GB DDR3 SLI Enabled/Creative SB X-Fi XtremeGamer/Corsiar XMS2 4GB (2x2GB) PC2-6400 DDR2/Dual WD Caviar SE16 500GB 7200RPM HDDs

The Official jonc2006™ Emotion Chart.
Courtesy of PCXL-Fan after he tried to steal my identity on Steam because I am so awesome.
Official jonc2006™ Fan Club
Official jonc2006™ Trophy Collection

[Exodus]

To answer the question a couple pages back, my FF7 team was Barret, Cloud and Cid. Multi-hit limits are the only way to go.

Originally Posted by Innocence

A friendly note: Square's liking of remakes says otherwise (Dawn of Souls, III and IV for DS, IV to VI Advance, not to mention their revival of old characters in Dissida and the entire resurface of VII with its compilation, made years after the original VII).

That's not stuck in the past, that's milking the franchise. There's a difference.

Originally Posted by Silenus

Speaking about the battle type, I think that FFX was a little more balanced than VII.
I would use Wakka primary for fliers and Auron for armored enemies.
Not to mention that Summons were given to Yuna only.

I wouldn't call that balanced, as much as I'd call it specialization with special purpose use. If anything, maybe it's imbalanced because only 1 character can do it (but I do like that they did it that way).

Originally Posted by TastEPlasma

Definitely part of the overall group of changes that took place as the series entered the playstation era though, and combined with the other (IMO) unfavorable changes like the extremely heavy J-pop/anime influence, well, that is the deal breaker for me.

Actually, compared to all the RPGs that came out, I found FF did a good job avoiding the extreme anime.

Originally Posted by Lord Zedeck

So, I'd really say there's three groups and not two (Final Fantasy IX would be a mix of the first two groups if you condense it, but I'd consider it more part of the classics since that is what it was made for/after). True, usually alot of the fans of the classics are stubborn and won't like anything but, and you'll find more fans of the supposed second and third groups liking the other, but I still say there's three separate groups despite the biggest split between the classics and everything else. Classic/fantasy, sci-fi, and modern.Like I said, that was one of the problems with almost every (all but one) main Final Fantasy since Final Fantasy VII.

I like that grouping. Given that, I'd say I'm in the sci-fi group of people. There's just too much medieval going around. It might also explain why I liked the Xeno series and Shadow Hearts.

__________________
No, I don't like anime, Street Fighter, Japanese music or download video game music. Yes, I know, I'm weird.

[Innocence]

Originally Posted by jonc2006

so take innocence's advice

I was actually going to join in the argument, but then I realized what username I had chosen. Anyway, I get a mention!

Originally Posted by Exodus

That's not stuck in the past, that's milking the franchise. There's a difference.

I guess you're right, but still, they choose to milk old titles... well, mostly; I just remembered that Revenant Wings exists.

__________________

---

Last edited by Innocence; September 1st, 2008 at 00:05.. Reason: Automerged Doublepost

[buffbiff21]

Originally Posted by Innocence

I guess you're right, but still, they choose to milk old titles... well, mostly; I just remembered that Revenant Wings exists.

And FFX-2 Charlie's Angels. Square's been doing that for a while too. I&II Anniversary Edition, FF Chronicles, FF Anthology, FFIV Advance, FFVI Advance, FFV Advance, FF Origins, Before Crisis VII, Dirge of Cerberus, Advent Children, Crisis Core, Dawn of Souls, XIII Versus, Agito XIII, Chrono Trigger DS, War of the Lions, Valkyrie Profile: Lenneth, (am I missing any?)

Are any of these actually good?

__________________
"There are three types of people in the world: those that can count, and those that can't."

[Innocence]

Originally Posted by buffbiff21

And FFX-2 Charlie's Angels. Square's been doing that for a while too. I&II Anniversary Edition, FF Chronicles, FF Anthology, FFIV Advance, FFVI Advance, FFV Advance, FF Origins, Before Crisis VII, Dirge of Cerberus, Advent Children, Crisis Core, Dawn of Souls, XIII Versus, Agito XIII, Chrono Trigger DS, War of the Lions, Valkyrie Profile: Lenneth, (am I missing any?)

Are any of these actually good?

Off the top of my head, you're missing Dirge of Cerberus: Lost Episode and VII Snowboarding, both for mobile phones, and the Tactics games. Don't know what they are like, though. I&II, Chronicles, Anthology, the Advance series, Dawn of Souls and Origins are all just remakes/re-releases, so obviously your opinion on them wouldn't differ too much from your original likes/dislikes. However, I must say that Origins lacks any atmosphere somehow, so I always play the Dawn of Souls version which feels much better.

__________________

[Xblade]

Meow I got a warning......I wonder what an infraction is like? 0_0
Now I can say I'm one of the first people jonc gave a warning too.
Win win situation .

Side Note: I'm done with the argument, pointless to argue over opinions.

__________________

Originally Posted by Sonic2036

the PS3 needs to be a little more slimer??? the way I see it , its as big as a laptop lol
i remember psp slime was more slimey

V
l

[Exodus]

Originally Posted by buffbiff21

And FFX-2 Charlie's Angels. Square's been doing that for a while too. I&II Anniversary Edition, FF Chronicles, FF Anthology, FFIV Advance, FFVI Advance, FFV Advance, FF Origins, Before Crisis VII, Dirge of Cerberus, Advent Children, Crisis Core, Dawn of Souls, XIII Versus, Agito XIII, Chrono Trigger DS, War of the Lions, Valkyrie Profile: Lenneth, (am I missing any?)

Are any of these actually good?

Crisis Core is supposed to be sweet.
Valkyrie Profile is Enix's.
War of the Lions has to be good. It's Tactics but better.
We'll have to wait for the XIII results.
Before Crisis is Japanese only, so who knows. Chances are it's not that hot or they would have translated it.
Advent Children was good enough.
Dirge wasn't good good, but I liked it well enough.

Originally Posted by Innocence

I guess you're right, but still, they choose to milk old titles... well, mostly; I just remembered that Revenant Wings exists.

The thing is, even with the milking, they're making new games. I doubt ports really take all that much effort.

__________________
No, I don't like anime, Street Fighter, Japanese music or download video game music. Yes, I know, I'm weird.

[TastEPlasma]

Originally Posted by Exodus

Crisis Core is supposed to be sweet.
Valkyrie Profile is Enix's.
War of the Lions has to be good. It's Tactics but better.
We'll have to wait for the XIII results.
Before Crisis is Japanese only, so who knows. Chances are it's not that hot or they would have translated it.
Advent Children was good enough.
Dirge wasn't good good, but I liked it well enough.

Ive played the first 10 or 20 min of crisis core on a buddies PSP, and my initial impression was that it was what it was supposed to be, a nostalgic fan-service romp through the world of FF7. The production values were of course top notch, and even after the amazing GoW game for the PSP I continued to be suprised by what a portable powerhouse it is. The voice acting for Zack was excruitatingly bad though, he sounded like an 80s movie stereotypical jock. Maybe he is, I dunno. Then again, I tend to hate voice acting in all most all console games, but for some reason it seems a lot more natural sounding in PC games. I think I might be the nerd version of the grandpa waving his cane at all the little 'whippersnappers' on his carefully groomed lawn.

Im honestly torn between the PS and the PSP versions of FFT, because the PSP version actually runs a little bit slower than the PS version, which I felt was on the laggy side. OTOH, the cutscenes are to die for. There is an example of 3D graphics that are also art, that have a depth and character to them. Really neat technique they used.

I really like the Advent Children flick, but I went into it for exactly what it was: fan-service, amazing prerendered graphics, and lots of fight scenes. Worked for me. :-)

Haven't played any of the others.

Also, Lord Zedeck makes a good point, as being one of the classics fans tends to make me lump the rest in a single group. However, upon dividing the games into those subcategories, it becomes easy to refer to them simply by console era. The NES, SNES, PS, and PS2 eras are good subdivisions as well.

Of course, FF9 would have to be the one game out. I have to say though, that as a "classics" fan I really didn't dismiss FF9 out of hand. In fact I was rather excited about it after the lingering bitter taste of FF7s ending and my complete lack of interest in FF8, plus the fact that they were catering the hype to exactly my demographic. I played through all the way to the 3rd disc, but I found myself just grinding on the game. I was bored and annoyed, and I don't play games for either of those two sensations. The only thing I really miss about the game is the card minigame, I had a lot of fun with that.

Sincerely,
TastEPlasma

__________________
Computer Specs:

Hers: *c2q 9550 (2.83) @ 3.4Ghz *4GB OCZ Reaper DDR2-1066 5-5-5-15 *Sapphire Radeon 4870 w/ 1GB *SB Audigy SE *DFI LANParty DK X48-T2RS *700W OCZ GXS *320GB WD SATA2 *SBC DSL ISP *Samsung 906cw

His: *c2d 6320 (1.86) @ 3.3Ghz *2GB OCZ flex DDR2-800 4-4-5-15 @ 950 *BFG 8800GTX @ 632core, 2000mem *SB Audigy SE *eVGA 680i (122-CK-NF63-TR) *700W OCZ GXS *400GB WD sata2 *SBC DSL ISP *Samsung 226bw *Nautilus 500 water cooling system on gpu, cpu, and mem

[Xblade]

Originally Posted by buffbiff21

And FFX-2 Charlie's Angels. Square's been doing that for a while too. I&II Anniversary Edition, FF Chronicles, FF Anthology, FFIV Advance, FFVI Advance, FFV Advance, FF Origins, Before Crisis VII, Dirge of Cerberus, Advent Children, Crisis Core, Dawn of Souls, XIII Versus, Agito XIII, Chrono Trigger DS, War of the Lions, Valkyrie Profile: Lenneth, (am I missing any?)

Are any of these actually good?

From what I understand I&II a re ports, FIV is a port of VI, FFV is just a port, Origins is a I&II port, Before Crisis VII is a cell phone game, Dirge of Cerberus was lack luster and boring, Advent Children was a moive with good fightscenes and no story(dead fantasy pawnzors all of its fight scenes), Crisis Core was a love it or hate it psp title, dawn of souls was another port, XIII is a FFXIII spin off Agito XIII is a psp spin off of FFXIII, Chrono Trigger Ds is a complete remake(I hope), War Of The Lions is a psp remake of the original ps1 title, and Valkyre Profile: Anything is mediocre.
I'd rather play Chrono Trigger then any Valkyre Profile game, they reek of mediocrity.

__________________

Originally Posted by Sonic2036

the PS3 needs to be a little more slimer??? the way I see it , its as big as a laptop lol
i remember psp slime was more slimey

V
l

[Paratech]

Originally Posted by Phil

Xblade:


Chrono Trigger $100.chrono trigger snes rare - eBay (item 290257174902 end time Sep-07-08 09:37:41 PDT)

FF12 $20.FINAL FANTASY XII FFX 12 PLAYSTATION 2 GAME PS2 * NEW * - eBay (item 140262791517 end time Aug-31-08 22:25:45 PDT)

make the connection.

FF12 is a nice game........but it DOES not reach the legendary status of its predecessors.
Simply put Square-Enix will never match Square.

Read my thread about this I made awhile ago

Final Fantasy VII > Square enix

You can buy Chrono Trigger for the Playstation for around $20-$30 and it includes cut scenes and IIRC Final Fantasy IV as well...

I have thought of buying that port, but I get too ticked off at the sellers charging $10 to ship it. I might buy the DS version, even at $40, as I probably would play it more often on the DS.

It is nice it is being released a 3rd time, I think that proves the game is good.

But let's remember everyone is entitled to an opinion, even if I disagree with it!

Just remember that we can choose from a large number of games and all that matters is we like the games we are buying.

I was lucky with Chrono Trigger, I got it and Secret of Mana for volunteering... It came without a box, but I got the game new with documentation and I still have both of them...

__________________
-Dreams of getting a new 360 XBOX in 201x.
-Current consoles: Playstation 2 and Wii, also has DS/GBA and a PSP 3000
-PC: AMD 5000 2.6 Dual Core, 2GB Ram, 8600 GeForce GT video card, SB Live!, Win XP SP3

[Xblade]

Originally Posted by Paratech

It is nice it is being released a 3rd time, I think that proves the game is good.

You provided me with lols :3.
lol I don't know what to say

__________________

Originally Posted by Sonic2036

the PS3 needs to be a little more slimer??? the way I see it , its as big as a laptop lol
i remember psp slime was more slimey

V
l

[jonc2006]

Originally Posted by Xblade

From what I understand I&II a re ports, FIV is a port of VI, FFV is just a port, Origins is a I&II port, Before Crisis VII is a cell phone game, Dirge of Cerberus was lack luster and boring, Advent Children was a moive with good fightscenes and no story(dead fantasy pawnzors all of its fight scenes), Crisis Core was a love it or hate it psp title, dawn of souls was another port, XIII is a FFXIII spin off Agito XIII is a psp spin off of FFXIII, Chrono Trigger Ds is a complete remake(I hope), War Of The Lions is a psp remake of the original ps1 title, and Valkyre Profile: Anything is mediocre.
I'd rather play Chrono Trigger then any Valkyre Profile game, they reek of mediocrity.

FF4 was released as FF2 on the SNES, the real FF2 was for the NES. FF6 was released as FF3 on the SNES as well, and the real FF3 was also for the NES. the real FF2 and FF3 were both japan only games up until recently when they were ported and/or remade on other consoles. its confusing for some but thats the way it is.

__________________

Antec 900/Antec Truepower Quattro 1000W/eVGA 780i SLI/Windows XP Media SP2 & Windows Vista Ultimate 32-bit SP1/Intel Core 2 Duo E8400@4.0GHz/Dual eVGA e-Geforce GTX280 1GB DDR3 SLI Enabled/Creative SB X-Fi XtremeGamer/Corsiar XMS2 4GB (2x2GB) PC2-6400 DDR2/Dual WD Caviar SE16 500GB 7200RPM HDDs

The Official jonc2006™ Emotion Chart.
Courtesy of PCXL-Fan after he tried to steal my identity on Steam because I am so awesome.
Official jonc2006™ Fan Club
Official jonc2006™ Trophy Collection

[skoreanime]

Originally Posted by Xblade

From what I understand I&II a re ports, FIV is a port of VI, FFV is just a port, Origins is a I&II port, Before Crisis VII is a cell phone game, Dirge of Cerberus was lack luster and boring, Advent Children was a moive with good fightscenes and no story(dead fantasy pawnzors all of its fight scenes), Crisis Core was a love it or hate it psp title, dawn of souls was another port, XIII is a FFXIII spin off Agito XIII is a psp spin off of FFXIII, Chrono Trigger Ds is a complete remake(I hope), War Of The Lions is a psp remake of the original ps1 title, and Valkyre Profile: Anything is mediocre.
I'd rather play Chrono Trigger then any Valkyre Profile game, they reek of mediocrity.

Originally Posted by jonc2006

FF4 was released in the US as FF2 on the SNES, the real FF2 was for the NES. FF6 was released as FF3 on the SNES as well, and the real FF3 was also for the NES.

Pwn'd. And jonc speaketh the truth. I used to own "Final Fantasy III" for SNES. It was a nice red cartridge too

[Xblade]

Roar I knew that, but confusing?
Indeed

Originally Posted by jonc2006

FF4 was released as FF2 on the SNES, the real FF2 was for the NES. FF6 was released as FF3 on the SNES as well, and the real FF3 was also for the NES. the real FF2 and FF3 were both japan only games up until recently when they were ported and/or remade on other consoles. its confusing for some but thats the way it is.

Isn't Final Fantasy IV on gba a port of VI? 0_o

__________________

Originally Posted by Sonic2036

the PS3 needs to be a little more slimer??? the way I see it , its as big as a laptop lol
i remember psp slime was more slimey

V
l

---

Last edited by Xblade; September 1st, 2008 at 06:52.. Reason: Automerged Doublepost

[jonc2006]

there were 3 GBA remakes/ports and they were FF4-6. each one is its own game and are seperate entries in the series. for some reason im getting the feeling that they are going to pull off something similar with the DS. they have already made a DS remake of FF4 (its a real remake, not simply a port), i would not be surprised to hear them announce they are planning to do DS remakes of FF5 and 6.

__________________

Antec 900/Antec Truepower Quattro 1000W/eVGA 780i SLI/Windows XP Media SP2 & Windows Vista Ultimate 32-bit SP1/Intel Core 2 Duo E8400@4.0GHz/Dual eVGA e-Geforce GTX280 1GB DDR3 SLI Enabled/Creative SB X-Fi XtremeGamer/Corsiar XMS2 4GB (2x2GB) PC2-6400 DDR2/Dual WD Caviar SE16 500GB 7200RPM HDDs

The Official jonc2006™ Emotion Chart.
Courtesy of PCXL-Fan after he tried to steal my identity on Steam because I am so awesome.
Official jonc2006™ Fan Club
Official jonc2006™ Trophy Collection

[Lord Zedeck]

Let's just say Nintendo messed up big time with the American releases. Final Fantasy I, Final Fantasy II, and Final Fantasy III were all released in Japan as NES games. Final Fantasy I was released in America as well, but the second and third were not. Then, Final Fantasy IV comes out for the SNES. It also comes out in America, but for some stupid reason, Nintendo releases it as called Final Fantasy II. Sure, it was the second one released in America, but that's not what it is, and we can see the problems that can and did cause later. Final Fantasy V was released in Japan on the SNES but not in America. Final Fantasy VI was released in Japan on the SNES, and also in America, and again, Nintendo renames it Final Fantasy III in America. On a side note, it's so funny seeing some of the hardcore fans who prefer the classics say "only the first three were good" or "the series died after the first three" when they truly know so little of Final Fantasy because those weren't the first three. It got right afterwards. Final Fantasy VII then comes out for the Playstation in Japan, and on the Playstation it was done right, being called Final Fantasy VII in America as it really is, and the rest also followed suite proper. Later, the earlier Final Fantasy games were released again in bundles under their real names (Final Fantasy I/Final Fantasy II, Chrono Trigger/Final Fantasy IV, Final Fantasy V and Final Fantasy VI [notice the absence of Final Fantasy III until it's Nintendo DS remake]).

__________________

"Without forgiveness, life is governed by an endless cycle of resentment and retaliation."
"Judge people not of their mistakes, but on how they handle those mistakes."

Core 2 Duo E8600 @4.0GHz- ASUS Maximus Formula (Rampage Formula BIOS 0701) - 8GB (4x 2GB) Corsair XMS2 DDR2 800
MSI nVidia GeForce 8800GT 512MB - 4x Western Digital Caviar SE16 6400AAKS (2,560GB total) - PC Power & Cooling Silencer 610
IBM P275 21" CRT (1600x1200 @100Hz) - Logitech Z-2300 2.1 Sound System - Windows XP SP3 & Windows 7 64-bit

[Densetsu]

Originally Posted by jonc2006

DS remakes of FF5 and 6.

Which would be many kinds of awesome. My personal favorite is cherry flavored awesome, by the way.

Also, what's with all the flaming? I tried to read some of the posts but it's all "Your opinion sucks, my final fantasy is better then yours... etc." Why can't we all be friends and agree that FFVI is the best Seriously tho, opinions are likea arseholes. Everyone's got one and they all stink.

__________________

[Innocence]

For those who think the entire pre-VII numbering issue is confusing, just imagine if Square decided to keep it to the the current titles. It would get even more confusing as Japan's XI would also be our XI (being online, it would be less likely for them to change that number) whilst their XII would be our X; and their X-2.... well, thank god Square fixed the issue with VII

__________________

[Exodus]

Originally Posted by TastEPlasma

I really like the Advent Children flick, but I went into it for exactly what it was: fan-service

I think I went into all the FF7 spinoffs that way. Sure does make everything better!

__________________
No, I don't like anime, Street Fighter, Japanese music or download video game music. Yes, I know, I'm weird.

[SCHUMI_4EVER]

Originally Posted by jonc2006

there were 3 GBA remakes/ports and they were FF4-6. each one is its own game and are seperate entries in the series. for some reason im getting the feeling that they are going to pull off something similar with the DS. they have already made a DS remake of FF4 (its a real remake, not simply a port), i would not be surprised to hear them announce they are planning to do DS remakes of FF5 and 6.

as well as FF1and2 Dawn of Souls.

Plus then there's it's own game Tactics Advance.

__________________

Intel Core2Quad Q9550 (2.83Ghz stock) | ASUS P5Q | 2x2GB Transcend JetRam DDR2-800 | ASUS ENGTX260\HDTP\896M | Windows Vista Home Premium 64bit SP1

The Champ has retired but may his Legacy live on FOREVER !!!!

No$GBA DS FAQ 2.0

Get it right fools! The glass is HALF-EMPTY, not half-full!!!

!!! WARNING: Emulation requires a brain !!! WARNING: Emulation =/= Piracy !!!