The Final Fantasy -Anything Thread

[Squall-Leonhart]

in 7, Cloud, Aerith and Tifa. (i even raised Aerith from the dead mwahahahaha)

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[Cross]

I was backing up my claims using your definition. If you think that CT was even less detailed than XII and it sucks because of that, then its obvious that XIIs story is not something I'd talk about either.

Originally Posted by Xblade

I posted link with numerous reviews for XII. You don't really think its coincidence that all of them were 90%+ right.

I can do the same for Chrono Trigger, but I really don't have to.

Originally Posted by Xblade

Unless you can give me a matching number of review sites that Insult the story

In an IGN interview with FFXII Executive producer Akitoshi Kawazu, he himself said that he was frustrated with XII's story. He personally felt that the story was lacking and that fans were disappointed.


It seems that my claims have more validity now than yours.

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Originally Posted by Exodus

Maybe it's more a question of 2D vs. 3D as opposed to there being two sub-series within FF.

Well, thats an interesting point, and I do admit to a well known bias against what I call "senseless 3D". While I may unfairly knock off points from the playstation games for needless use of crappy 3D graphics, its never been a deal breaker for me. Definitely part of the overall group of changes that took place as the series entered the playstation era though, and combined with the other (IMO) unfavorable changes like the extremely heavy J-pop/anime influence, well, that is the deal breaker for me.

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Originally Posted by Exodus

Drawing never bothered me too much, and I drew basically like you. The only problem is that I never wanted to use spells.

Lol, same problem. Never wanted to use those spells that I had spent all that time and effort collecting. I basically only used the spells I was able to draw from the enemy.

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Originally Posted by Xblade

Red XX special also sucked incredibly. I think I kept it on moon rave after getting cosmo memory.

Nanaki was incredibly useful from the time he joins the party up until the end of the game really, unless you get to lvl99 and unlock every other character's limit breaks. Only then is his usefulness overshadowed by the chars that get multi-hit limits. His Speed rating was through the roof and cast Haste and put some speed boosting items and use all your Speed Tabs on him and he's killer. When I play through the game, he's the first one to give sure-fire 9999 damage hits because his lvl4 limit is the first to be unlocked.

Regarding Chrono Trigger, you need to assess the game IN CONTEXT to when it came out. The game was earth-shattering for many reasons.

1. What a relief it was to play a full-blown RPG without having to deal with random encounters. The first RPG I played was Dragon Warrior, and it got me hooked on the genre. By 1995 I'd played Lufia 1-2, Breath of Fire 1-2, Phantasy Star 3-4, FF1,4,6, DQ1-4, and random battles were just getting tedious you know? Well how bad ass was it to wander around the world map and stare at the pretty graphics, listen to the cool music, and explore the towns? You could argue that it made the game a little too easy, but who cares?
2. Yasunori Mitsuda
3. HUGE leap in graphics department
4. Crono Goku factor
5. Tech system was sweet
6. No matter what anyone says, the characters were well developed. Each and every one had a back story. I would concur that Crono being mute subtracts slightly.

I hope it's obvious by now that the first time I played through CT I was completely blown away. It goes a little further than "save princess" if you played any more than 10 minutes into it. The game is legendary and rightfully so — I will not be persuaded otherwise by someone who was in diapers when the game came out. I hope I speak for everyone who played it back then.

Originally Posted by eyt

In an IGN interview with FFXII Executive producer Akitoshi Kawazu, he himself said that he was frustrated with XII's story. He personally felt that the story was lacking and that fans were disappointed.

Yep. God Is Dead. It's no secret that the core FF team is dissolved. Sakaguchi's gone, Nobuo's in-and-out, (and Kitase wasn't involved in XII) Yoshitaka Amano also has been barfing up some weird ****. Vaan and Tidus's shorts come to mind. I don't know how they make money regurgitating all these remakes for portable systems. Remake VII dammit.




Btw, stay tuned because I still have to post my rant about XII. I haven't collected my thoughts yet, because honestly, anything to do with the game's just not really worth my time. So maybe I won't post a rant about it. Who knows.

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Originally Posted by Xblade

Also, the main baddie's story was explained in detail across the game.

::a spoiler alert (don't read unless you've completed VIII)::
We are given no backstory to the main baddie (except the fact she is hated for her sorceress powers) and no explanation for her influence in the present events. She is just one of those baddies who is hated, so she is spiteful to others. You could argue the same about Sephiroth, but Sephiroth had a backstory that gave him motivation and determination.

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Originally Posted by buffbiff21

I hope it's obvious by now that the first time I played through CT I was completely blown away. It goes a little further than "save princess" if you played any more than 10 minutes into it. The game is legendary and rightfully so — I will not be persuaded otherwise by someone who was in diapers when the game came out. I think I speak for everyone who played it back then.

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[Lord Zedeck]

For the idea about there being two different types of fans, ones for everything before Final Fantasy VII and ones for everything thereafter, I sort of agree but not really. To me, there's three (well, perhaps even four or more).

The first was the classic group. There was the first six, just as you say, for the first group.

Then Final Fantasy VII and Final Fantasy VIII were the odd ones out incomparably, making the second group. Why do those two games get their own group? It's simple. At the time, the first six Final Fantasy games were all really similar. They were all Medieval in theme, two dimensional, and so on, and here comes Final Fantasy VII with three dimensional graphics, CGI cutscenes, but most of all, a more realistic theme and less fantasy feel than the previous ones. That is the factor that split and/or expanded the fanbase. It was fantasy versus sci-fi. Final Fantasy VIII was sort of the same, but it was more close to a mix of the two.

The possible fourth group (I'll get to three on a minute since I'm going chronological here) was Final Fantasy IX alone. Now we have a group for a single game!? The reason I do this is because it is the odd game out, and that's why it's not too liked. Fans of the sci-fi group hate it because it's not like the other two. It had a cheery world versus the ones they knew of. Fans of the classics don't tend to like it because, well admittedly, they like anything much like the classics. It has that crappy 3-D, you know!? Fans of the last group (which I'll explain after this) like nothing but the new games with the latest graphics (though I personally think Final Fantasy IX's graphics were and still are good, they're not much to today's).

The last group is, as I said, those who like the more modern of the series (Final Fantasy X, Final Fantasy X-2, and perhaps additionally all of these remakes and spin-offs).

So, I'd really say there's three groups and not two (Final Fantasy IX would be a mix of the first two groups if you condense it, but I'd consider it more part of the classics since that is what it was made for/after). True, usually alot of the fans of the classics are stubborn and won't like anything but, and you'll find more fans of the supposed second and third groups liking the other, but I still say there's three separate groups despite the biggest split between the classics and everything else. Classic/fantasy, sci-fi, and modern.

Originally Posted by Silenus

That was one of the problems with FF7.
It didn't have a character type defined.

You could use anyone for anything imo.

Like I said, that was one of the problems with almost every (all but one) main Final Fantasy since Final Fantasy VII.

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[Silenus]

Originally Posted by Squall-Leonhart

....(i even raised Aerith from the dead mwahahahaha)

WHATTTT!!!

How did you do it man.

That could be the best kept secret of all the Final Fantasy Saga.

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[Cross]

I think its actually more complicated than that. There's also the pre-rendered group which preferred the fixed camera angles and pre-rendered backgrounds of the PSX era than real-time 3d or top down 2d.

....(i even raised Aerith from the dead mwahahahaha)

WHAATTTT!!! AERITH DIES!?!



On a more serious note, as far as I remember it is done using gameshark and was nothing special, Aerith remains dead story-wise and only appears during enemy encounters.

or this

Originally Posted by Davideo7

Collect all 35 '1/35 Soldiers'
Than take them to the man at the Chocobo farm he'll give you a Resurrection Chocobo (it'll be a blood red)
Race this Chocobo in every tournament until he gets to be the greatest champ
Once you fed this chocobo 1000 'Pheonix Downs', he'll than turn pink (matching aeris's clothing)
Keep in mind, this must all take place before Aeris dies
Right after Aeris dies, press the following
Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, X, O, Start
Right as your dropping Aeris into the water, her eyes will open.
From this point on, all the events in the game that normally take place after Aeris is dead will no longer take place.
Now you must buy the 'Aeris Revival' expansion pack to FF7 to play the rest of the game with her.

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[Lord Zedeck]

Well, of course there's plenty more factors you can consider, but that kind of fits into what I said though, doesn't it? The classic games had the two dimensional worlds. The Playstation ones had three dimensional characters on two dimensional backdrops that resembled three dimensional gaming, and the rest had three dimensional worlds.

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[Silenus]

Originally Posted by eyt

WHAATTTT!!! AERITH DIES!?!



On a more serious note, as far as I remember it is done using gameshark and was nothing special, Aerith remains dead story-wise and only appears during enemy encounters.

Speaking about the battle type, I think that FFX was a little more balanced than VII.
I would use Wakka primary for fliers and Auron for armored enemies.
Not to mention that Summons were given to Yuna only.

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[Xblade]

Originally Posted by Sir Graspfor Straws

I can do the same for Chrono Trigger, but I really don't have to.



In an IGN interview with FFXII Executive producer Akitoshi Kawazu, he himself said that he was frustrated with XII's story. He personally felt that the story was lacking and that fans were disappointed.

It seems that my claims have more validity now than yours.

Wrong,wrong, and wrong.
1 man says he doesn't like the story. Big whoop. We make him, he doesn't make us, get it?
No matter how much you try to reason you can't change sales, reviews, content, or fan base. Which is what makes up a game.
EXAMPLE: The publisher for the Harry Potter series can say they were disappointed in the final book. Does that make the book any worse? I think not.

You've only proven that your "point" has absolutely no validity whatsoever.

Originally Posted by eyt

I was backing up my claims using your definition. If you think that CT was even less detailed than XII and it sucks because of that, then its obvious that XIIs story is not something I'd talk about either.

Please point out were I said Chrono Trigger Sucked because of the story.

Originally Posted by Xblade

VI and chrono trigger were good the time they came out.
They rather suck now.

Your doing something wrong when I end up quoting myself.

Originally Posted by buffbiff21

Regarding Chrono Trigger, you need to assess the game IN CONTEXT to when it came out. The game was earth-shattering for many reasons.

Go to night school and take some reading comprehension classes, or pay attention to what I say and don't only pick out whats good for you.

Originally Posted by buffbiff21

I hope it's obvious by now that the first time I played through CT I was completely blown away. It goes a little further than "save princess" if you played any more than 10 minutes into it. The game is legendary and rightfully so — I will not be persuaded otherwise by someone who was in diapers when the game came out. I hope I speak for everyone who played it back then.

The last thing you wan to do when your in an argument or tense conversation is go after someones age to try to prove your point, its immature.
"Before and when". For your information I played the game for about 4 hours before I got bored. Actually make an attempt to read what I said, think it over, hit the john, brush your teeth, and then come back and try to make sense.

Originally Posted by buffbiff21

Yep. God Is Dead. It's no secret that the core FF team is dissolved. Sakaguchi's gone, Nobuo's in-and-out, (and Kitase wasn't involved in XII) Yoshitaka Amano also has been barfing up some weird ****. Vaan and Tidus's shorts come to mind. I don't know how they make money regurgitating all these remakes for portable systems. Remake VII dammit.

Tidus and Vaan were designed by 2 different artist. A company is formed to make money, not please fans. Unless their non-profit. A remake of VII is out of the question while in development of XIII and Vs. Unlike you, square isn't stuck in the past.

Originally Posted by buffbiff21

Btw, stay tuned because I still have to post my rant about XII. I haven't collected my thoughts yet, because honestly, anything to do with the game's just not really worth my time. So maybe I won't post a rant about it. Who knows.

IF you plan to go on a rant on one game don't forget to include the flaws of the whole series. You might as well include the video gaming industry as whole.

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i remember psp slime was more slimey

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[Phil]

Xblade:


Chrono Trigger $100.chrono trigger snes rare - eBay (item 290257174902 end time Sep-07-08 09:37:41 PDT)

FF12 $20.FINAL FANTASY XII FFX 12 PLAYSTATION 2 GAME PS2 * NEW * - eBay (item 140262791517 end time Aug-31-08 22:25:45 PDT)

make the connection.

FF12 is a nice game........but it DOES not reach the legendary status of its predecessors.
Simply put Square-Enix will never match Square.

Read my thread about this I made awhile ago

Final Fantasy VII > Square enix

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Originally Posted by Xblade

If your gonna insult someone, keep your trap shut.
It doesn't matter were you do it, its against the rules to flame.

Oh sorry, I didn't mean to insult you. It was just to prove a point. Now the point was...... well, I'm too lazy to explain it and my fingers have a severe case of "too lazy to type" syndrome. I'm sure if you want, you can figure it out yourself.

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Originally Posted by Xblade

No matter how much you try to reason you can't change sales, reviews, content, or fan base. Which is what makes up a game.

Exactly, so... why do you do the same to CT?

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[buffbiff21]

Originally Posted by Xblade

Go to night school and take some reading comprehension classes, or pay attention to what I say and don't only pick out whats good for you.

Rofl I'm a former journalism major punk. A friendly critique — learn the difference between a possessive pronoun and a contraction. You've mixed up "you're" and "they're" for "your" and "their" on multiple occasions.

The last thing you wan to do when your in an argument or tense conversation is go after someones age to try to prove your point, its immature.
"Before and when". For your information I played the game for about 4 hours before I got bored. Actually make an attempt to read what I said, think it over, hit the john, brush your teeth, and then come back and try to make sense.

Age has everything to do with it. How many games have you played? I've had a great deal more time playing games and analyzing them and I know exactly what I look for. Especially from a company that I've invested spent ~$3k combined (Square and Enix) over the years. That's why it's frustrating to see them churn out uninspiring excrements like FFXII.

It reminds me of an example for guitar players: some people who prefer Yngwie Malmsteen and Paul Gilbert over Jimmy Hendrix and Eric Clapton need to examine JH and EC in context to when they came out. No, they don't have the monster chops of the former two, but they were state-of-the-art in their time. Unless you experienced it chronologically I find it illogical to argue otherwise.

Btw, you have yet to counter or disprove one of my main six points

Originally Posted by Phil

Xblade:


Chrono Trigger $100.chrono trigger snes rare - eBay (item 290257174902 end time Sep-07-08 09:37:41 PDT)

FF12 $20.FINAL FANTASY XII FFX 12 PLAYSTATION 2 GAME PS2 * NEW * - eBay (item 140262791517 end time Aug-31-08 22:25:45 PDT)

make the connection.

FF12 is a nice game........but it DOES not reach the legendary status of its predecessors.
Simply put Square-Enix will never match Square.

Read my thread about this I made awhile ago

Final Fantasy VII > Square enix

I think we're wasting our breath brah. Today's kids would rather play guitar hero over Chrono Trigger and prefer FFXII to VI.

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[Xblade]

Originally Posted by Phil

Xblade:


Chrono Trigger $100.chrono trigger snes rare - eBay (item 290257174902 end time Sep-07-08 09:37:41 PDT)

FF12 $20.FINAL FANTASY XII FFX 12 PLAYSTATION 2 GAME PS2 * NEW * - eBay (item 140262791517 end time Aug-31-08 22:25:45 PDT)

make the connection.

FF12 is a nice game........but it DOES not reach the legendary status of its predecessors.
Simply put Square-Enix will never match Square.
Read my thread about this I made awhile ago

Final Fantasy VII > Square enix

Of course a classic is going to cost more. Its not on print and hasn't been on it for about 10 years. Of course, only a fool would pay 100$ for a snes cartridge. Other then That I agree with you.
Revolutionary rpgs aren't a common breed, or they wouldn't be revolutionary.

Originally Posted by buffbiff21

critique — learn Rofl I'm a former journalism major punk.

I don't give 2 dark matters punk.

Originally Posted by buffbiff21

A friendly the difference between a possessive pronoun and a contraction. You've mixed up "you're" and "they're" for "your" and "their" on multiple occasions.

And this is relevant to how, what, where? No wonder, "former".
I'm trying to tell you that you misinterpreted my post you fool.

Originally Posted by buffbiff21

Age has everything to do with it. How many games have you played? I've had a great deal more time playing games and analyzing them and I know exactly what I look for.

I know your not the brightest of the industrial lights in the factory, but trying to valify your stupidity by "bigging up" your experience makes you look like an idiot. It only took me a run-through of VI to know that square was a good franchise. Saying that you've played more games then me is the same as saying you've wasted more time then me-Congrats.

Originally Posted by buffbiff21

Especially from a company that I've invested spent ~$3k combined (Square and Enix) over the years. That's why it's frustrating to see them churn out uninspiring excrements like FFXII.

I'm sorry do you pay their bills? Have you given them a loan?
3k$ to Square= Nothing. Just because you didn't like the game doesn't mean it's uninspiring. Majority rules, you fail.

Originally Posted by buffbiff21

It reminds me of an example for guitar players: some people who prefer Yngwie Malmsteen and Paul Gilbert over Jimmy Hendrix and Eric Clapton need to examine JH and EC in context to when they came out. No, they don't have the monster chops of the former two, but they were state-of-the-art in their time. Unless you experienced it chronologically I find it illogical to argue otherwise.

So your trying, yes trying very hard(but failling), to say that since the game came out and had installments before I tried it that my opinion is biased? You fail, because I can say the same in reverse. You don't like FXII because it came out after your precious Chrono Trigger or FFII and are expecting every release to be revolutionary.

Originally Posted by buffbiff21

Btw, you have yet to counter or disprove one of my main six points

They're not worth countering to begin with. Count your blessings that I even take the time to read your frivolous drool.

Originally Posted by buffbiff21

I think we're wasting our breath brah. Today's kids would rather play guitar hero over Chrono Trigger and prefer FFXII to VI.

Well no **** sherlock. Only a die hard idiot would rather player chrono trigger over anything FF games past VI. I guesss that means your a die hard idiot right?
Also I was under the impression that this was an online forum. Unless of course your breathing so hard out of frustration of your own narrow mindedness.


Side Note: I just discovered that your only 21? Talking about kids? Wtf?
Your far from being an adult, probably already a drop out though.

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Originally Posted by Sonic2036

the PS3 needs to be a little more slimer??? the way I see it , its as big as a laptop lol
i remember psp slime was more slimey

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[Innocence]

Come on people, let's keep it friendly. It seems this thread keeps stirring up some flame amongst posters, eh? Also...

Originally Posted by Xblade

Unlike you, square isn't stuck in the past.

A friendly note: Square's liking of remakes says otherwise (Dawn of Souls, III and IV for DS, IV to VI Advance, not to mention their revival of old characters in Dissida and the entire resurface of VII with its compilation, made years after the original VII).

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[buffbiff21]

I'm seeing nothing but ad hominems. Learn to attack the argument, not the arguer. Though I admire your spirit.

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