Konami announces the death of Silent Hill...

[Mr. Duck Sauce]

yeah, giving american devs to work on a silent hill game is like letting uwe boll work on more films about games, just no, no.

wow, this game looks crappy, and it doesn't look scary at all, took everything from re4 and try it on silent hill mythos and it looks crappy, nice one konami japan.

[TheCloudOfSmoke]

Originally Posted by hanibal81

Dud, what US devs did to the game scene

Uhh, US devs created the game scene in the first place...

But I also think that if a game was made in a certain region, following sequels should be created from that region since they were the ones who made the game a success and they know how the sequels should be made.

[hanibal81]

La class, About the sequels, you're right men you're all right

[cottonvibes]

Originally Posted by TheCloudOfSmoke

Uhh, US devs created the game scene in the first place...

i disagree.

can you honestly say gaming would still be the same without the japanese Nintendo and japanese games such as Mario, Zelda, and Pokemon?

If all i had were US games too choose from, i wouldn't be a gamer.
about 90% of my favorite games are Japanese games.

[runawayprisoner]

Originally Posted by cottonvibes

i disagree.

can you honestly say gaming would still be the same without the japanese Nintendo and japanese games such as Mario, Zelda, and Pokemon?

If all i had were US games too choose from, i wouldn't be a gamer.
about 90% of my favorite games are Japanese games.

You have two choices: muscles and raw power, or mind power.
That's the two biggest differences between American styles and Japanese style. I guess the latter just fits you better.

But really, without Mario, Zelda, and Pokemon, the gaming industry will just be as great as it is. What you should realize is that Japanese games are not for competitions. They are mostly moral stories, something for you to think about, to experience (mostly just stories to turn you into a person who cares more about others, to think more about what's good for the community and not for yourself). It's not the same for American or Western games. Western games are mostly for competitions and to see who is the top, the strongest, the fastest. This is also the key difference between capitalism and communism. Capitalism promotes competition whereas communism promotes unison, or more like they want everybody to think about the community, about other people before anything else. Different mindsets, you know. Like it or not, communism and capitalism are something that's already written into your mind, and if you happen to like those games from Japan more, chances are, you have a communist mindset.

So what does that have to do with this? Mmm... just think, why is it that Silent Hill should be better off developed by Japanese? My two cents: we don't see any competition in the game (but there's a lot of moral), and when it's made by capitalist mindsets, it just misses the moral feel that only communist mindsets give. Being competitive is not something the Silent Team has ever done. Up until Silent Hill 4, their main goal was only to create a game with the player's experience in mind. Now we have American developers working on the game and what do you see? Slightly changed battle system and all that, but this whole game reminds me more of a horror FPS than a Silent Hill game. The player's experience is neglected, and then something else took over. It's no longer the player's experience that is important to them, they are too focused on making Silent Hill games competitive to other game titles.

Edit: Separated paragraphs...

[hanibal81]

Originally Posted by runawayprisoner

You have two choices: muscles and raw power, or mind power.
That's the two biggest differences between American styles and Japanese style. I guess the latter just fits you better.

And their does all the secrets of the world reign,,,a reach culture that provides beautiful games, with a vast reachness in all its details against a culture the does not admit but power,,,perhaps some cult-lessons to those US_Devs...hehe

[Carmofin]

americans??
that indeed explains everything... i was really wondering why this game looked so dead creatively, have a close look at everything, its really only recycled ideas.

[hanibal81]

That is the absolute fact yet ever cleared...

[Paratech]

Just because it's American doesn't mean it lacks vision, maybe today American game design isn't that great, but back in the 80s-90s Sierra defined RPGs, Fantasy Adventure, and most of there games are still fun to play...

If they designed a game like this, it'd rock...

[runawayprisoner]

That's almost 20 years ago. What worked then may not work now anymore. It's like saying that if you find gravity again then you are great.
But sincerely, it's just that the expectations grow with improvements, and it's not necessarily a bad thing that this game is inferior to the previous ones, it's just that some improvements would be good.

[cottonvibes]

the reason games were be better 20 years ago is because the video game industry wasn't a billion dollar industry back then.
and people made games with love, and not for the money.

[runawayprisoner]

Well, back then people made games with love, now they make love with games...

[jonc2006]

Originally Posted by cottonvibes

the reason games were be better 20 years ago is because the video game industry wasn't a billion dollar industry back then.
and people made games with love, and not for the money.

its risky to create and invest time and money into something totally new (if thats even possible nowadays) opposed to creating something based on an already established franchise that has had huge success. even if the game is crap, people will flock towards a game with a "brand name" because most will see it as a recreational chance to expirence what made the previous titles so appealing to them again.

i still dont want to make too many jabs at this game yet because i have no idea how far it is in development at this point (i have hardly been following it up until now) and the final product could be totally different from what is shown in those trailers. i think i am worried more about the gameplay than the visuals with this one though, if team silent isnt doing this one then its going to be hard to tell what the outcome is going to be.

[runawayprisoner]

Originally Posted by jonc2006

its risky to create and invest time and money into something totally new (if thats even possible nowadays) opposed to creating something based on an already established franchise that has had huge success. even if the game is crap, people will flock towards a game with a "brand name" because most will see it as a recreational chance to expirence what made the previous titles so appealing to them again.

This is true when you look at it like a businessman, but it stops there. If Silent Hill is going budget or financial on our heads then it's not about the game anymore, it's about money now. This is why I said that back then, they made games with love. Now they just make love with games and maybe... with us as well. Everything to get the cash, huh?

[hanibal81]

Originally Posted by runawayprisoner

This is true when you look at it like a businessman, but it stops there. If Silent Hill is going budget or financial on our heads then it's not about the game anymore, it's about money now. This is why I said that back then, they made games with love. Now they just make love with games and maybe... with us as well. Everything to get the cash, huh?

Mostly because human souls are no more intrested in relegion, god and principals, ideologies of living, the only idiomatic terms that does exist right away is money,,,who gains, ports more money to get latst cars & nana's,,,seeking that power of being famous, finger points to.....and so on,,,i geuss busniss, trafic...etc are more important as idioms knowadays than the great moral-sheet you've written above,,,say that art does exist just for nobles, and when saying nobles mean those who can buy art and invests in it in same time,,,as for silent hill 5, the doomed era has set her wings on it, does that character movments explain every thing with a gun in a hand...POWER...PFFFF,,,Well, the art is done.

[jonc2006]

Originally Posted by hanibal81

Mostly because human souls are no more intrested in relegion, god and principals, ideologies of living, the only idiomatic terms that does exist right away is money,,,who gains, ports more money to get latst cars & nana's,,,seeking that power of being famous, finger points to.....and so on,,,i geuss busniss, trafic...etc are more important as idioms knowadays than the great moral-sheet you've written above,,,say that art does exist just for nobles, and when saying nobles mean those who can buy art and invests in it in same time,,,as for silent hill 5, the doomed era has set her wings on it, does that character movments explain every thing with a gun in a hand...POWER...PFFFF,,,Well, the art is done.

um. yeah ok. i guess you could put it like that.

[TheCloudOfSmoke]

Originally Posted by hanibal81

Mostly because human souls are no more intrested in relegion, god and principals, ideologies of living, the only idiomatic terms that does exist right away is money,,,who gains, ports more money to get latst cars & nana's,,,seeking that power of being famous, finger points to.....and so on,,,i geuss busniss, trafic...etc are more important as idioms knowadays than the great moral-sheet you've written above,,,say that art does exist just for nobles, and when saying nobles mean those who can buy art and invests in it in same time,,,as for silent hill 5, the doomed era has set her wings on it, does that character movments explain every thing with a gun in a hand...POWER...PFFFF,,,Well, the art is done.

WTF are you talking about?

EDIT: Oh nevermind, he can't reply since he's banned. XD

[Rebel_X]

I think the upcoming silent hill is not bad at all, the video is crappy but still got good fx and stuff.. wait for the release. and lets see,

besides, anyone noticed for example Resident Evil 4, and the difference in graphics between this version and Biohazard version.. Biohazard contains no shadows, no realistic textures.. no nothing, although both of them the same.. despite there is patch to convert the game from B ver to R ver.. off-topic I know, and propably illegal too, sorry..

[Paratech]

I don't think humanities dark, not completely, there are people who help others, I've been helped numerous times by people who aren't greedy, self centered, etc. I think if you look for darkness, you'll find it, if you look for light, you'll find it.

I think some games are timeless. I still enjoy Super Mario 3. I enjoy Pac Man. I think those kind of games are timeless. I can still enjoy a game with a good story even if its graphics aren't state of the art.

I think I'm not alone.

[ViperXtreme]

booted up Silent Hill 3 recently, it still owns my 9600GT when rendering resolution is set to 4096x4096 hehe