Console Buyers Beware: Xbox360 Red Ring Of Death Return...

[Nicolai25]

u might want to hear this news.. by BBC.


BBC films 360 red ring of death at GDC
Tuesday 19-Feb-2008 11:03 AM On Microsoft's own stand too... Ouch!

BBC news, where you'd usually read about important stuff like the war, Northern Rock and what mental state Britney Spears is in today, is this morning reporting on the red ring of death.

"Microsoft wants consumers to believe that its problems with the Xbox 360 console in terms of hardware failure are over," says the BBC, referring to the now quietened chatter over 360's alarming failure rate this time last year.

The report continues: "But wandering through the Game Developers Conference halls and it's clear that the problem persists."

On Microsoft's own stand at the show one of the demo consoles has a rather familiar problem - the red ring of death. There's no way of knowing if this particular console was manufactured before or after Microsoft identified the problems with the machines.

But at the very least it's embarrassing for the company that its own stock of demo machines are still susceptible to the problem.

LINK TO VIDEO BBC NEWS | dot.life | A blog about technology from BBC News | Red ring of death returns

[MagicDust]

Still remember windows 98 ?
Its just blue instead of red.

[galson]

Originally Posted by Nicolai25

u might want to hear this news.. by BBC.


BBC films 360 red ring of death at GDC
Tuesday 19-Feb-2008 11:03 AM On Microsoft's own stand too... Ouch!

BBC news, where you'd usually read about important stuff like the war, Northern Rock and what mental state Britney Spears is in today, is this morning reporting on the red ring of death.

"Microsoft wants consumers to believe that its problems with the Xbox 360 console in terms of hardware failure are over," says the BBC, referring to the now quietened chatter over 360's alarming failure rate this time last year.

The report continues: "But wandering through the Game Developers Conference halls and it's clear that the problem persists."

On Microsoft's own stand at the show one of the demo consoles has a rather familiar problem - the red ring of death. There's no way of knowing if this particular console was manufactured before or after Microsoft identified the problems with the machines.

But at the very least it's embarrassing for the company that its own stock of demo machines are still susceptible to the problem.

LINK TO VIDEO BBC NEWS | dot.life | A blog about technology from BBC News | Red ring of death returns

Is it really necessary to type in huge letters and bold in your every post? What's your problem? We can see the normal font size ok you know, we're not blind. And like in the other thread, you only prove yourself to be a troll over and over. This is not GameFAQs.

EDIT: Lol, he changed it, too bad it remained in its original form in the quote :>

[Nicolai25]

Originally Posted by MagicDust

Still remember windows 98 ?
Its just blue instead of red.

yeah i remember the blue one from windows 98

here the video..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQthd...eature=related

Just want to share you this one and i do hope no one ever experience this problem..
this is one hell of a combo:

YouTube - Microsoft Evolution

BILL GATES @ CES CONFERENCE having that BSOD PROBLEM

YouTube - Bill Gates and Conan

[galson]

Originally Posted by Nicolai25

yeah i remember the blue one from windows 98

Just want to share you this one and i do hope no one ever experience this problem..
this is one hell of a combo:

YouTube - Microsoft Evolution

Ahh, too bad that RROD has only three lights, not four (which happens when you don't hook up the AV cable to the console).

[Thanakil]

1) They say they don't know if the console was made before the fixes were implemented, so no way to know if the RROD is returned, or if it's simply one of the consoles who always had it...

2) The RROD never even "returned" since it never left. It was simply reduce a lot with various fixes. Which was proven to be true.


Is it really necessary to just bash on the console? Every console will crash. Every. Console.

People did tests with the new 360s to see if they really were more stable and YES they are.

The RROD will always "return" for some people, but the situation is better than it was before, which is what you seem to misunderstand, constantly. No one said 100% of the 360s were perfectly made (since it's impossible for any console to be this way), just that the situation is a lot better than before.

It just seems like you're trying to make it look like the problem came back just as it was before with your title.
(If you don't want a console who may or may not crash, just buy no consoles at all. Working with many consoles will show you that they all crashes and have problems. The 360 has the more problems, but it's way less than before.)

[Nicolai25]

i just want to take note at what BBC news report and its alarming the fact that

"Microsoft wants consumers to believe that its problems with the Xbox 360 console in terms of hardware failure are over,

and the fact that the company stock demo is susceptible to the problem..

is alarming.. warranty is good but after past that warranty timeline.. what will happen.. am i going to buy another.. they have to find a way such as LONG TERM SOLUTION FOR THE PROBLEM...or else theyll lose there consumers

its more of the consumer rights and i know BBC know that thats why theyve make this report.. its not about bashing a console or so.. its more on consumers right

[John Aiton]

I love Bill Gates!

i wonder if a fanboy actually experiences physical pain at those words?
I experienced hearing pain at the music in the annoying video you posted

I'll japanese McDonald roll you if you post another like it!
(i mean it LOL)

[Spyhop]

Originally Posted by John Aiton

I love Bill Gates!

Bill hasn't been calling the shots for some time and he's actually retiring soon. Microsoft products, comparatively speaking, still had some degree of pseudo-quality under Bill.

Steve Ballmer is calling the shots now, and he rides the short bus.

[John Aiton]

Originally Posted by Spyhop

Bill hasn't been calling the shots for some time and he's actually retiring soon. Microsoft products, comparatively speaking, still had some degree of pseudo-quality under Bill.

Steve Ballmer is calling the shots now, and he rides the short bus.

yep

but if bill ofered me a wedding ring I would say yes
LOL

enough offtopic

when is the 360 getting a redesign for better airflow :/
and when will it come with a TRUE heatsink installed! LOL

[Thanakil]

Originally Posted by Nicolai25

i just want to take note at what BBC news report and its alarming the fact that

"Microsoft wants consumers to believe that its problems with the Xbox 360 console in terms of hardware failure are over,

and the fact that the company stock demo is susceptible to the problem..

is alarming.. warranty is good but after past that warranty timeline.. what will happen.. am i going to buy another.. they have to find a way such as LONG TERM SOLUTION FOR THE PROBLEM...or else theyll lose there consumers

its more of the consumer rights and i know BBC know that thats why theyve make this report.. its not about bashing a console or so.. its more on consumers right

Except you don't even know if the problem is still there.

1) You don't know if it was a old model or a new model.
2) You don't know the % of failure, you don't know if the failure rate is as high as it was, or as low. You only know that a stock demo failed.

This is something that happens to everybody. Every console of every company will fail sometime.

They had a demo fail, BIG DEAL. It's NORMAL.

It doesn't mean the failure rate hasn't been reduced.

And the warranty is still 3 years, so "after the warranty... What will I do?" isn't really a big thing. If you really have a console with a problem, it'll break before 2.


Anyway, it's not Microsoft trying to make people think the problem isn't there. THEY KNOW IT'S STILL THERE. It's IMPOSSIBLE to completely remove crashes from ANY console, be it Wii, PS3, 360 or anything.

What Microsoft is trying to make people UNDERSTAND is that they reduce the number of problems and improved the situation.

What YOU try to make people think is that the problem is the same as before. Which is isn't true. Various third-party websites/magazines/groups have tested to see if they really did change stuff which helped. And they did.

Originally Posted by John Aiton

yep

but if bill ofered me a wedding ring I would say yes
LOL

enough offtopic

when is the 360 getting a redesign for better airflow :/
and when will it come with a TRUE heatsink installed! LOL

They've already installed a new better heatsink, on top of what already was there. Not sure about airflow, but I know they moved stuff around.

[Spyhop]

Originally Posted by Thanakil

Anyway, it's not Microsoft trying to make people think the problem isn't there. THEY KNOW IT'S STILL THERE. It's IMPOSSIBLE to completely remove crashes from ANY console, be it Wii, PS3, 360 or anything.

It's true that all electronics have some percentage of failure. But you can't make that 360 analogy with a straight face. The failure rates of the Wii or PS3 isn't even in the same league as the 360. The 360 was rushed out the door to beat the other consoles to the market and to carve out a decent enough marketshare with overseas developers before nintendo and sony hit. It wasn't ready. They shouldn't have released it when they did. It has serious design flaws.

[Thanakil]

Originally Posted by Spyhop

It's true that all electronics have some percentage of failure. But you can't make that 360 analogy with a straight face. The failure rates of the Wii or PS3 isn't even in the same league as the 360. The 360 was rushed out the door to beat the other consoles to the market and to carve out a decent enough marketshare with overseas developers before nintendo and sony hit. It wasn't ready. They shouldn't have released it when they did. It has serious design flaws.

That's for sure, but the point remains that they fixed quite a bit of them now. They spent the last 6+ months fixing stuff, MS wasn't only receiving a very bad rep because of those failures rates (which is exactly was MS DOESNT want to happen, since their goals is to be seen as a serious console-maker) but they were losing huge money too.

MS was already losing money by not selling the 360 pricey enough to make big profits (only making money with games), now they had to shell out even more money by giving out free consoles whenever a 360 broke. They lost over 1 billion dollar with that (or will soon, from what analysts said).



So really, it's obvious that when they said they started moving stuff around/replacing stuff/adding heastink they weren't kidding. It's not in their best interest to just go :
"Hey, let's keep losing billions of dollars while we lost market shares because of failure rates".


They DID fix things, we know that. So the 360 has a bigger failure rates then other consoles, but it was still reduced quite a bit.

Which is my problem with the OP interpretation, which seems to talk as if MS promised a 0% failure rate but ended up with NO CHANGES at all.

The way he talks he gives the impression that MS tried to bring it to 0% but ended up right back to the starting point. That's the main problem with how he worded his statements.

On top of a lack of evidence, since they don't know if it was a new model or a old model that they had been using and never bothered to replace since it was still working fine before that crash.

And then even if it is a new model, new models are still nowhere perfect. A new model crashing doesnt mean MS lied, it just means you were unlucky to have one of the crashing new models.
The first failures rates of 360 was about 33%. They reduced it, not zero-ed it.

So they can still have a 10% failure rates. Is it sad? Yes. Did they lie? NO. So no need to make such a big deal because "damn, a 360 crashed! MS lied, don't buy a 360, they will all crash, ITS THE END OF WORLD, THEY ARE DOOOOOOMED".

[Cheesus]

Xbox 360 failure rate at 16 percent? - Engadget

[Thanakil]

10% was only a example, but 16% that's not sooo bad. They halved the failure rates, which is a nice start.

We gotta remember that it depends a little on the type you buy too. Arcades 360 probably have failure rates around 20%+, Pro around 15% and Elites under 10%.

Worst case scenario, your 360 will break under a year and a half. The warranty will kick in (free console and shipping powa) and by then, the new models released will have a lower (not by much, but with various improvements to still come...) falu rates.

The only way you'd get 2 defective 360 in a row would be by utter horrible luck (16% twice? Kinda sucky luck)

But cutting the failure rates in half is still a good start.

[Cheesus]

It said in the article that 16% was pushing it a bit, so basically we're saying the same thing.

While the faulty XBOXs really sucks, at least Microsoft is tackling it in the right way.

[PCXL-Fan]

Part of the problem is the stupid display cases used for all 360 floor models. I've looked at them up close and they don't offer proper ventilation. I've been to 2 EBgames and a bestbuy and a futureshop and they all were in that stupid display case and all had RROD'd 360s in them at one point. It took about 3 months before they bothered replacing them in the EB Games.

[Kazuya Mishima]

Originally Posted by Nicolai25

Rant.....I'm a fanboy......All of my posts contain the same message but with different words.....I just registered here to unload my hate for Ms......yada yada.....

You try to bash a MS console in a forum full of Sony fanboys and yet you are unable to do it properly, for God's sake.

So I have to say just one thing and I'll say it Nicolai25 style:

YOU FAIL AT THE INTERNET



Want to bash it? Do it, just remember to follow a few points in order to have atleast 1 Sony fanboy to follow you:
1.- Use coherent arguments. Make them seem as if they are real instead of alarmist and heavily prejudiced.
2.- We are at an International forum. Please, bash it regarding global policies, not about your particular piece of land (We don't have official support ).
3.- STOP WRITING LIKE THIS, I'M NOT BLIND, THANK YOU

So, everybody has said there are faults. That's as far as you will get people to comply with your arguments here. We don't bash, we just expose points. Don't like it? Don't worry, God created gamefaqs' forums because he loves you.
There: Video Game Cheats - Video Game Reviews - Video Game Codes - Video Game Web Site - GameFAQs

Ok, thank you all, that's was all, so long and have a good night sleep

[Cid Highwind]

Originally Posted by Kazuya Mishima

You try to bash a MS console in a forum full of Sony fanboys and yet you are unable to do it properly, for God's sake.

So I have to say just one thing and I'll say it Nicolai25 style:

YOU FAIL AT THE INTERNET



Want to bash it? Do it, just remember to follow a few points in order to have atleast 1 Sony fanboy to follow you:
1.- Use coherent arguments. Make them seem as if they are real instead of alarmist and heavily prejudiced.
2.- We are at an International forum. Please, bash it regarding global policies, not about your particular piece of land (We don't have official support ).
3.- STOP WRITING LIKE THIS, I'M NOT BLIND, THANK YOU

So, everybody has said there are faults. That's as far as you will get people to comply with your arguments here. We don't bash, we just expose points. Don't like it? Don't worry, God created gamefaqs' forums because he loves you.
There: Video Game Cheats - Video Game Reviews - Video Game Codes - Video Game Web Site - GameFAQs

Ok, thank you all, that's was all, so long and have a good night sleep

*me high fives Kazuya*
You made my morning

I was trying to say the same thing making an analogy to Muslims hating terrorists that blow themselves up in their name, but I kinda couldn't find the right words. Guess you said the same in a less complicated manner