Best graphic never be the best selling

[MagicDust]

well lets look at the fact.

Console.

SNES vs Genesis = SNES wins (Sonic not fast enough lol)
PSX vs N64 = PSX wins (even 3D vertex shaking but CG movie help)
PS2 GameCube Xbox = PS2 (I guess MGS2 and FFX impressed everyone already)
Wii Xbox360 PS3 = I better leave it to your opinion lol

Handhelds.

Gameboy vs GameGear = Gameboy
GameboyColor NeoGeoPocket Wonderswam = GameBoyColor
GameboyAdvance = umm really no idea who's competitor lol
DS vs PSP = I leave it to your opinion as well

[Spyhop]

SNES vs Genesis....I wouldn't call genesis graphically superior and nintendo's audio processor was league's ahead of sega's.

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Originally Posted by MagicDust

well lets look at the fact.
Wii Xbox360 PS3 = I better leave it to your opinion lol

A tough one...

PS3 = Great selection of games, familiar
XBox 360 = Powerful, sophisticated
Wii = Unique gameplay, Mario

Originally Posted by MagicDust

well lets look at the fact.
GameboyAdvance = umm really no idea who's competitor lol

It could be NGage, but is it really a fair comparison then, because NGage has the mobile features. GBA could still win. Thinking about how well it was taken by audience and it had great games... and yes, many people have said that GBA doesn't have as good graphics as NGage.

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Originally Posted by MagicDust

well lets look at the fact.

Console.

SNES vs Genesis = SNES wins (Sonic not fast enough lol)
PSX vs N64 = PSX wins (even 3D vertex shaking but CG movie help)
PS2 GameCube Xbox = PS2 (I guess MGS2 and FFX impressed everyone already)
Wii Xbox360 PS3 = I better leave it to your opinion lol

Handhelds.

Gameboy vs GameGear = Gameboy
GameboyColor NeoGeoPocket Wonderswam = GameBoyColor
GameboyAdvance = umm really no idea who's competitor lol
DS vs PSP = I leave it to your opinion as well

SNES vs Genesis:
Its actually arguable which systems graphics were superior. its also arguable which system was the more successfull imo. Just because the SNES was allowed to go out with dignity, while the genesis was stuck to degrading lifesupport devices, dieing a slow and painfull death, doesnt mean its the superior console.

PSX vs N64
The big shame of the N64, imo, was that even though everyone expected it to be the first true 3D console, eventually the PSX created a lot of 3D games that are considered graphically superior to anything seen on the N64.

PS2 GameCube Xbox
The success of the PS2, if you track it down accurately, is mostly based on the fact that back then everyone needed a DVD player.

all in all a consoles success is neither determined by graphics, nor by games at all. its all about marketing.

[Cid Highwind]

The SNES also benefitted from the in-cartridge chips, which quite a few games used, especially those that most that display graphics you don't see on the Genesis.

Anyway, this is a pointless thread, since in practice the system with the best graphics could sell better than the competition, there's just countless other factors coming into play. This is nothing more than a coincidence, one that I've seen countless of times the last couple of years

Carmofin has it right in my opinion.

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[MagicDust]

I'm disagreed with the fact you said that everyone need a DVD in that time,I think its effected but not major one.Consider in that time a DVD disc still very expensive when compare to VCD.
Now I still perfer DVD more than blu-ray disc heh.

What made console success or failure depend on how many softwares on that console.
Software developer also wanted to released their games on the most popular console.

[firyace]

ok how about this:

SNES vs Genesis : Cannot determine which has better graphics

PSX vs N64 :
Ok, even though they said that N64 has more "bits" than psx, the games that are out for the psx at that time are so polished to a level that the graphics are actually better than the N64 (Take FF7 MGS or even during the end of the psx era there are games like fear effect and dino crisis 2 that basically are way better in graphics than the monotone textures in N64)

PS2 GameCube Xbox:
Lets not forget the PS2 should be in competition with DREAMCAST instead of GC or XBOX. And the competition is in favor for PS2 because of the promises of a huge list of Kick A$$ games during launch ( at launch they already have a list in official playstation megazine with DMC, onimusha, MGS2, FFX and so on).
With this library out already in the market during the launch for GC and Xbox, its quite hard for the other two consoles to win

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Originally Posted by MagicDust

What made console success or failure depend on how many softwares on that console.
Software developer also wanted to released their games on the most popular console.

Not really, otherwise we'd still be playing Dreamcast, since the console out first should win by default. It had a lineup of incredible games, revolutionizing gaming altogether, and the graphics kicked PS2's butt. Marketing and hype, those are the driving factors, just look at the PS2 and the Wii. The Wii has the sloppiest lineup as well, and it still sells like hotcakes.

Software developers have nothing to want anyway, since it's the publishers who sign deals with Sony, Nintendo and Microsoft, they decide on which system their developer studios will make games for. It's all politics and business, loyalty is a rare thing in the industry nowadays.

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I'm sick of the wii's lineup. A bunch of half assed games, that fat people who don't play video games go "it's great, gets kids to move for once."

I hope they either start doing something right, or that it dies off because people magically get smarter and realize that motion sensor isn't enough to make something fun.

I hope this thread wasn't a attack graphics meaning anything and it's all about game play even though graphics DO effect game play.

[SCHUMI_4EVER]

Well you have to admit that it provides some simple fun. (and not every game requires you to run around like a madman)

Basically Simplicity has always been Nintendo's advantage over it's competitiors (or at least since the N64). You want beautifull graphics and intricate gameplay and awesome titles you go for something like a PS3, however if you just want some light simple fun then there's nothing better than a Wii. Nintendo also tends to be more cartoonish, whilst PS3 tends to be more serious.
There's a market for both styles...and it seems a lot of of people are even able to afford both if not all 3.

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Simple fun, for about 15 minutes.

Also when you have a controller theme like that, every one has to force it in their game. *doing something normal...okay, bam, shave a guys back* really, I don't want this crap. Who would?

[firyace]

Originally Posted by Aided Onslaught

Simple fun, for about 15 minutes.

Also when you have a controller theme like that, every one has to force it in their game. *doing something normal...okay, bam, shave a guys back* really, I don't want this crap. Who would?

I would, seriously. After playing games with a controller for that many years, it is like a breath of fresh air to have more than pressing buttons and moving the shtick at the right time.

And simple fun always has its advantage, as not many times would I want to get involve with a deep game that takes decades to play, most of the time I would just want use it as stress relief

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[MagicDust]

Dont miss understand me I meant the console that had most game developed for not the one who first came out lol . :P

Anyway gameplay > graphic for me I still playing SNES titles even graphic doesnt anything compare to modern system but gameplay always fun.

[Cid Highwind]

Originally Posted by firyace

I would, seriously. After playing games with a controller for that many years, it is like a breath of fresh air to have more than pressing buttons and moving the shtick at the right time.

And simple fun always has its advantage, as not many times would I want to get involve with a deep game that takes decades to play, most of the time I would just want use it as stress relief

I'm with onslaught here, to me it's just the same smell getting old, but then again, I have a Dreamcast, and I've played plenty of Wii like games. Trust me, playing Samba de Amigo has the same effect. Besides, to me the best party game still is Virtua Tennis, available on Dreamcast, PS2, PS3, Xbox 360 and PC, not on Wii though. But well, to each their own

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So... what's the point of this thread?

Pimping systems?

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Originally Posted by Densetsu

So... what's the point of this thread?

Pimping systems?

Dunno, from the start I already thought we'd be beating a dead horse again. Perhaps we should also discuss the Betamax vs VSH vs Video2000 again?

Or maybe the purpose was to enlighten the OP that he merely found a funny coincidence, and not a reason why consoles failed or "won."

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[MagicDust]

What do you want with webboard ? most thing that we talking were pointless anyway lol

If you think its pointless I highly recommened just ignored this thread.

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In terms of pure eye candy, I haven't seen a non-prerendered full-3D game on PSX that holds a candle to Perfect Dark's various complex lens effects (Slayer, Camspy, AF1: Infiltration intro), motion blur, light coronas, reflective surfaces and so on. Goldeneye 007 was released early in the N64's life and compared to Perfect Dark is less of a technical feat in terms of complex special effects, and still looks much better than every true 3D PSX game I've ever played.

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I don't want to turn this into a Supernintendo vs Sega Genesis Debate but there's a few things I'd like to clear up.

Graphics Super Nintendo > Sega Genesis (sans 32x and sega cd)

I have maybe 3 dozen videogame magazines from 1994 - 1996 and Ill tell you snes had slightly better graphic capabilities even without considering the SuperFX chip or special graphics chips. The editors of the magazines such as EGM often did side by side comparisons of games and the Super Nintendo was always juuuust slightly better graphically. Almost ever multi consoleport that came out on both Super Nintendo and the Genesis (eg NBA Slamdunk, Mortal Kombat 2, streetfighter 2) the snes would always be slightly visually superior. Not to mention Snes had Mode7 vector graphics, something that allowed for F-Zero, PilotWings, FF6 Airship/Chocobo riding.

The slight graphic advantage Nintendo had sense of course as the Genesis/MegaDrive architecture was nearly 2 years older than the Super Nintendos.

Once you take the SuperFX chip into account, there is no comparison. Comparing genisis's games with prerendered graphic (eg Vectorman & Sonic 3D) to the supernintendo's (eg Donkey Kong Country 1,2,3, Killer Instinct, Mario RPG), the Super Nintendo's blew it out of the water. (best seen in Donkey Kong Country 3).

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It was possible to own a Super Nintendo and a Sega Genesis, but for games that are on both systems, the Super Nintendo owned except Mortal Kombat.

Playstation vs Nintendo 64? There were more Playstation games than Nintendo 64 games. BTW, why was the Sega Saturn ignored?

Nintendo Gamecube, Sony Playstation 2, Microsoft XBOX, the Sony had more games, although the XBOX had better FPS games and had live, but that wasn't enough. The Gamecube died on 3rd party.

Sony Playstation 3, Micosoft XBOX 360, Nintendo Wii, a lot of people like the controls on the Wii, I haven't been impressed by the PS3s games nor the Blu Ray, and there are too many defective XBOX 360s for my taste. The Wii is on top, for now.

For me.

The Genesis/Super Nintendo was a tie. I owned both systems and liked games on both, combined, they cost me $240, which were purchased in 9/92 *Genesis* and 2/94 Super Nintendo.

Playstation/Nintendo 64, The Playstation blasted the Nintendo 64, but I am still fond of a few Nintendo 64 games, Mario 64 has no equal, ditto with Star Wars Episode 1 Racer, Perfect Dark, Goldeneye, and a few other games.

Playstation 2, Nintendo Gamecube, and Microsoft XBOX, I own all three, but the Playstation 2 kills the other 2 on games, although there are a number of XBOX games I like and a few Gamecube games I like.

I think Games > Graphics in most cases.

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