Changing Internal Framelimit?

vincenti · June 28th, 2009

I was really surprised that I couldn't find anything on this subject anywhere, and it seems quite important, for me at least.

The problem for me with psx games is that they're often not all that smooth in their performance. I've got everything on max and have a constant of 59.8 fps and still it feels somewhat unsmooth.

To fix this, I've found that increasing the framelimit makes the games faster and more smooth to the eyes.

Now with epsxe 1.7.0, I can't customize my own framelimit. If I set the GPU to framelimit 80 for example i still only get 49.8 or 59.8 depending on which way it reads. If i press F4, i get no limit at all = ~150-800 fps depending on game.

Is there someway to disable the internal framelimit and enable a limit that you can actually control? If that is the case, how? I've gotten through so much trouble to get epsxe 1.7.0 working so I'd prefer if a solution can be found within epsxe.

Thanks

masta.g.86 · June 28th, 2009

Use the P.E.Op.S. 'Soft' GPU plugin.

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Squall-Leonhart · June 28th, 2009

use a third party spu plugin.

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vincenti · June 28th, 2009

I'm sorry but none of the two suggestions seem to work. I'm stuck with the same fps whatever plugins i'm using. Pete's ogl2, soft plug, doesn't matter. I've tried P.E.op. DSound 1.8 and Eternal 1.41, none made any difference to the fps whatsoever. Settings in Soft plugin was Use Frame Limit, custom limit 65. And I had 49.8 constantly.

Squall-Leonhart · June 28th, 2009

use eternal spu and set it to spu async : smooth.

my bad, i should've specified that.

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vincenti · June 28th, 2009

Still I get 49.8. Smooth, timer, no change on fps. I have 70 set in the gpu.

Squall-Leonhart · June 28th, 2009

then something else is wrong.

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Lord Zedeck · June 28th, 2009

Wait, so let me ask which you're asking.

Are you saying you can't get it to run over 60FPS, period, or are you saying you want it to run smoother (more FPS) without speeding the game up?

If it's the latter, you're out of luck. Emulators run the game at 60 FPS, but that's not the internal frame rate. The 60FPS refers to the 60 vblanks (that is, the 60Hz of a television, at least in NTSC). Therefore, the FPS the emulator is reporting it the timing speed of the game. This is why if you speed it up or slow it down, game speed does the same.

The "real" FPS of the game is often lower. Many are often 24 or 30 in alot of instances, and anyone with a picky eye will notice it isn't smooth. There's nothing you can do about this.

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vincenti · June 29th, 2009

Thanks I didn't know that. BUT I want to speed up the games! Cause I notice if the counter that says FPS is at 49.8 till i press f4, then it goes to 150-800. Which speeds the game up greatly, but unfortiunately I don't know how to cap it at such speed.

I would like to be able to speed up games like 5-10 frames/s, since that would increase smoothness AND make the games a bit quicker. I'm a guy with little patience when it comes to games such as wipeout. I want it to be incredibly fast, so it's really really reaction dependant. Also slow rpgs becomes a bit more enjoyable for me if I can get the speed just a little higher.

And squall, I'm using the show fps in the graphics plugin to monitor the frames i'm talking about. Maybe that's an error from me? But I don't notice any change whatsoever with any of the methods above.

Squall-Leonhart · June 29th, 2009

don't press F4, that just toggles the limter on and off

the gpu plugin has keys(customiseable in the plugin config) setup to manipulate settings while a game is running, frame limit and frameskipping are included.

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strike105x · June 30th, 2009

In Pete's plugin set in the custom FPS box the amount of FPS you want to have while in game press "Delete" use "End" to toggle between the frames options.

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vincenti · June 30th, 2009

Yeah thanks everyone. I didn't know about the Delete Pageup Home and such. Now when I set FL to 1 it works exactly the way I wanted. Thank you all.

June 28th, 2009	#1 (permalink)
vincenti Registered User Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: sweden Posts: 7	Changing Internal Framelimit? I was really surprised that I couldn't find anything on this subject anywhere, and it seems quite important, for me at least. The problem for me with psx games is that they're often not all that smooth in their performance. I've got everything on max and have a constant of 59.8 fps and still it feels somewhat unsmooth. To fix this, I've found that increasing the framelimit makes the games faster and more smooth to the eyes. Now with epsxe 1.7.0, I can't customize my own framelimit. If I set the GPU to framelimit 80 for example i still only get 49.8 or 59.8 depending on which way it reads. If i press F4, i get no limit at all = ~150-800 fps depending on game. Is there someway to disable the internal framelimit and enable a limit that you can actually control? If that is the case, how? I've gotten through so much trouble to get epsxe 1.7.0 working so I'd prefer if a solution can be found within epsxe. Thanks

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June 28th, 2009	#3 (permalink)
Squall-Leonhart Behind ur girlfriend :D Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 18,443	use a third party spu plugin. __________________ VBA-M \| Xtemu \| NGOHQ \| Post Impact Productions \| TNHW \| XBCD 0.2.6 \| Satanic666's Emulator Compiles Don't be a NOOB, READ THE NGEmu/EmuForums Rules of Conduct Need Help with ePSXe? This is your first stop!. If you don't post all the required information, you don't get help. Everytime someone posts a romsite, God kills a beautiful woman.

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vincenti Registered User Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: sweden Posts: 7	I'm sorry but none of the two suggestions seem to work. I'm stuck with the same fps whatever plugins i'm using. Pete's ogl2, soft plug, doesn't matter. I've tried P.E.op. DSound 1.8 and Eternal 1.41, none made any difference to the fps whatsoever. Settings in Soft plugin was Use Frame Limit, custom limit 65. And I had 49.8 constantly.

June 28th, 2009	#5 (permalink)
Squall-Leonhart Behind ur girlfriend :D Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 18,443	use eternal spu and set it to spu async : smooth. my bad, i should've specified that. __________________ VBA-M \| Xtemu \| NGOHQ \| Post Impact Productions \| TNHW \| XBCD 0.2.6 \| Satanic666's Emulator Compiles Don't be a NOOB, READ THE NGEmu/EmuForums Rules of Conduct Need Help with ePSXe? This is your first stop!. If you don't post all the required information, you don't get help. Everytime someone posts a romsite, God kills a beautiful woman.

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vincenti Registered User Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: sweden Posts: 7	Still I get 49.8. Smooth, timer, no change on fps. I have 70 set in the gpu.

June 28th, 2009	#7 (permalink)
Squall-Leonhart Behind ur girlfriend :D Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 18,443	then something else is wrong. __________________ VBA-M \| Xtemu \| NGOHQ \| Post Impact Productions \| TNHW \| XBCD 0.2.6 \| Satanic666's Emulator Compiles Don't be a NOOB, READ THE NGEmu/EmuForums Rules of Conduct Need Help with ePSXe? This is your first stop!. If you don't post all the required information, you don't get help. Everytime someone posts a romsite, God kills a beautiful woman.

June 28th, 2009	#8 (permalink)
Lord Zedeck Registered User Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Cleveland, Ohio Posts: 1,743	Wait, so let me ask which you're asking. Are you saying you can't get it to run over 60FPS, period, or are you saying you want it to run smoother (more FPS) without speeding the game up? If it's the latter, you're out of luck. Emulators run the game at 60 FPS, but that's not the internal frame rate. The 60FPS refers to the 60 vblanks (that is, the 60Hz of a television, at least in NTSC). Therefore, the FPS the emulator is reporting it the timing speed of the game. This is why if you speed it up or slow it down, game speed does the same. The "real" FPS of the game is often lower. Many are often 24 or 30 in alot of instances, and anyone with a picky eye will notice it isn't smooth. There's nothing you can do about this. __________________ "Without forgiveness, life is governed by an endless cycle of resentment and retaliation." "Judge people not of their mistakes, but on how they handle those mistakes." Core 2 Duo E8600 @4.0GHz- ASUS Maximus Formula (Rampage Formula BIOS 0701) - 8GB (4x 2GB) Corsair XMS2 DDR2 800 MSI nVidia GeForce 8800GT 512MB - 4x Western Digital Caviar SE16 6400AAKS (2,560GB total) - PC Power & Cooling Silencer 610 IBM P275 21" CRT (1600x1200 @100Hz) - Logitech Z-2300 2.1 Sound System - Windows XP SP3 & Windows 7 64-bit

June 29th, 2009	#9 (permalink)
vincenti Registered User Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: sweden Posts: 7	Thanks I didn't know that. BUT I want to speed up the games! Cause I notice if the counter that says FPS is at 49.8 till i press f4, then it goes to 150-800. Which speeds the game up greatly, but unfortiunately I don't know how to cap it at such speed. I would like to be able to speed up games like 5-10 frames/s, since that would increase smoothness AND make the games a bit quicker. I'm a guy with little patience when it comes to games such as wipeout. I want it to be incredibly fast, so it's really really reaction dependant. Also slow rpgs becomes a bit more enjoyable for me if I can get the speed just a little higher. And squall, I'm using the show fps in the graphics plugin to monitor the frames i'm talking about. Maybe that's an error from me? But I don't notice any change whatsoever with any of the methods above.

June 29th, 2009	#10 (permalink)
Squall-Leonhart Behind ur girlfriend :D Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 18,443	don't press F4, that just toggles the limter on and off the gpu plugin has keys(customiseable in the plugin config) setup to manipulate settings while a game is running, frame limit and frameskipping are included. __________________ VBA-M \| Xtemu \| NGOHQ \| Post Impact Productions \| TNHW \| XBCD 0.2.6 \| Satanic666's Emulator Compiles Don't be a NOOB, READ THE NGEmu/EmuForums Rules of Conduct Need Help with ePSXe? This is your first stop!. If you don't post all the required information, you don't get help. Everytime someone posts a romsite, God kills a beautiful woman.

June 30th, 2009	#11 (permalink)
strike105x Bruce Willis as Ichigo... Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: ...means Bleach ends after episode 1 Posts: 3,466	In Pete's plugin set in the custom FPS box the amount of FPS you want to have while in game press "Delete" use "End" to toggle between the frames options. __________________ \|Strike's Deviantart\|Anime List\|Important Notice\|

June 30th, 2009	#12 (permalink)
vincenti Registered User Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: sweden Posts: 7	Yeah thanks everyone. I didn't know about the Delete Pageup Home and such. Now when I set FL to 1 it works exactly the way I wanted. Thank you all.