Dragon Warrior 7

[Darke]

I've encountering an error that's preventing me from continuing onward with Dragon Warrior 7. I'm at the raft scene in the castle(about 2 1/2 hours into the game). When I get on the raft, I can move around a bit, but if I try to go in the right direction, ePSXe crashed. I'm using Pete's Software plugin and the Eternal sound plugin. The error msg ePSXe gives me in shown in the attached image. Can anyone help? Thanks.

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[Amberion]

I've just completed Dharma Shrine, and am collecting Earth Shards now. According to Ikelley's DQ7 FAQ, there are 4 for the center Earth tablet. As far as I know, I have all four. One in Dialoc, in the hidden headquarters; One in the big house in the present day new herb town; one in the cave to the god's altar(the gypsy quest); and one from the bandit who is south of Dharma(present day). What else am I supposed to do? I seem to be missing one.

Amberion

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Last edited by Amberion; November 14th, 2001 at 18:31.

[GekkoSpaz]

i agree 100% that old-school games kick ass!

Tales of Destiny being one of my faves as well as all of the original Final Fantasy's (up through 6 US), Lufia, Zelda, you can't beat the classics.

Come on dude, where are you gonna find a plot as unlikely as the one in Tales of Destiny?

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[RVWinkle]

Originally posted by Darke
I've encountering an error that's preventing me from continuing onward with Dragon Warrior 7. I'm at the raft scene in the castle(about 2 1/2 hours into the game). When I get on the raft, I can move around a bit, but if I try to go in the right direction, ePSXe crashed. I'm using Pete's Software plugin and the Eternal sound plugin. The error msg ePSXe gives me in shown in the attached image. Can anyone help? Thanks.

I have that same problem, I'm not sure if it's critical for the game but I've recieved several Opcode errors using ePSXe, Kazzsoft, Pete's soft, Pete's OGL, and no sound...at the same place with the raft.

If I can find some free time I'll post a thread with more details and upload a savestate.

Personally, I'm a fan of old-school RPGs but I'm very unimpressed so far, I've played about 1.5 hours and I've only done a bunch of silly fetch quests with no enemies to fight. I remember beating the first boss in FF1 within the first 10 minutes, they're just dragging it along with no action. I'm still reserving my judgement till I get some more time to play the game.

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[Amberion]

That raft problem is odd. I've never had a problem with the raft area, and I'm using Pete's Soft Driver 1.54 and Eternal SPU. What kind of hardware are you using? CPU, RAM, Vid card, sound card...

Amberion

[Darke]

My hardware is:
Athlon 1.33Gig
256 DDR Ram
Asus AV7M Mobo
Hercules Prophet II MX
Hercules Game Theater
and I'm using Win 2k

[Amberion]

Hmm well for comparison's sake:

AMD Duron 650 MHz
256 MB PC133 SDRAM
Voodoo 5 5500 AGP
Sound Blaster PCI 512
running Win98SE

Your hardware configuration is significantly different than mine, so I can't help you much. I can only guess that it's probably your OS and your CPU not behaving with ePSXe.

Amberion

[Dogofwar]

Well, I DO have a psx and I CAN play this game on the TV if I choose. Problem is, though the tv does blur the crappy gfx for me, Im a seasoned enough gamer to notice crappy gfx whether they are blurred or not. Its like those audiofile nutjobs that refuse to listen to mp3s just cuz they sound funny, same kinda thing. I really dont see why so many people refuse to see DW7's backwardness as a serious flaw. The arguements made by people supporting DW7's gfx boil down to a few flawed arguements:

1. It wasnt Enix's Fault, the release was delayed:

Now, for some reason, gamers nowadays like to come to game company's aid when they are under criticism. Ultima Ascension came out, it was buggy as hell and sucked but gamers strongly held that it wasnt the developers fault. No no! It was the publisher that made the devs rush the title! Pools of Radiance came out. The devs had to post a friggin APOLOGY on their website cuz the game had so many damn bugs and people still came to their aid. Now DW7 has some of the WORST 3d gfx this side of Rise of the Triad and people have yet again come to the aid of the deficienct dev claiming that it was sposed to be out years ago, it got delayed, blah blah blah. In the end, I, the consumer, dont give a damn whether it got delayed, or it got rushed, or the graphics guy was color blind. All I care about is the end product.

2. New games nowadays concentrate too much on Gfx compared to the good ole days.

The fact of the matter is, lots of pretty games come out today WITH great gameplay and story. Some dont like to believe this. When I look at Final Fantasy 9, I see a game with great characterization, story and gfx. Yet I am sure there are people out there who will fight me tooth and nail saying that Final Fantasy 1 somehow had better story and gameplay when, in fact, FF1 had next to zero story or gameplay. A more interesting debat arises when one compares FF6 and FF9, yet even here, one has to give the nod to FF9 for both gfx and gameplay, though you can make an arguement for FF6's story.

You want a game with crappy story and crappy gameplay? How about Y's? You run into enemies, oh yeah, thats deep. Just cuz its older doesnt make it better folks. Is Zelda nes supposed to be somehow better than Majoras Mask? is Metal Gear for the Apple 2e supposed to be better than Metal Gear Solid 2?

Now I am sure that many newer games are somewhat graphically shallow. But this is NOT some new thing. There have been poopy shallow games made since the beginning of Video game history. Ever play Journey the Arcade game? How about ET for the Atari? Ever play Pilot Wings? Secret of Evermore? Graphically shallow games are not new folks.

3. Graphics dont matter! Gameplay and Story, thats all!

Now gameplay purists can sit here and sing the laurels of gameplay to downplay gfx all they want. In the end though, Im positive that ALL of us have certain graphical requirements we put on a game. I mean, if you like story and dont give a damn about gfx you can read a book or play a text game. Most of us dont. If all like is gameplay, you are probably much better off playing some kind of collectible card game or board game.

Also, if graphics didnt matter, then new consoles wouldnt be made. There have been some games with exceptional story and gameplay for the Snes, yet a plethora of new consoles have emerged. The only value add these consoles have is improved gfx capabilities. Not to mention, better graphics allow for better story telling and gameplay capabilities. Image trying to play a game with the story and gameplay of FF9 on a Commodore 64, man that would suck.


So you guys can keep throwing out the same ole gfx dont matter arguements all you want, I dont care. Even a guy like me, who doesnt mind playing some pretty oldschool games, takes exception to DW7's bad gfx. I mean, they are really bad folks. My niece draws better than DW7 renders.

[lizardj]

u got my support, dog!~

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[Amberion]

I recently encountered this bug myself(so much for being immune. :eyes: I solved it by saving with the adventurer's journal and restarting the emulator and loading from the journal. Hey presto! Problem gone.

Amberion

[Darke]

Hey Amberion, thanks!
I'll check and see if this works for me when I get off from work.

[RVWinkle]

Originally posted by Amberion
I recently encountered this bug myself(so much for being immune. :eyes: I solved it by saving with the adventurer's journal and restarting the emulator and loading from the journal. Hey presto! Problem gone.

Amberion

I'm still having difficulty. According to gamefaqs, the first adventurer's journal save point is after the rafting scenes, basically I don't know where to save except with the save states...on top of that you can't leave the dungeon till after you've finished it. I guess this gives me an exuse to try psinex.

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[Darke]

Thanks Ambirion, its works. Yay!
RVWinkle, You can save in the Church. Goto the town portion of that city, and its the middle building on the left with the nun outside it. Go inside, talk to the priest, and you can save.

[Amberion]

Try the churches. There's a church in the town by the castle, and another one in your hometown.

ps. DOH really must read all of thread before responding. Oh well.

Amberion

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Last edited by Amberion; November 17th, 2001 at 01:37.

[TastEPlasma]

Greetings,

I suppose this should be rightly addressed to Dogofwar. Please understand, that I am not trying to attack you personally, I would just like to respond to your arguements, hopefully in as full and thorough a manner as you yourself posted.

Truthfully, you do make a number of good arguements. Starting with gamers giving developers too much leeway, here I agree thoroughly. I personally see no problems at all with delaying a product, so long as the product turns out better in the long run. Pools of Radience is a perfect example of what happens when things are rushed and not thought through. Honestly, the only thing running through my mind after playing the demo was "Did these people ever actually play the game they were making??". I also fail to see how delays would in fact hinder DW7's graphics.

I suppose that brings me to another point you made, that DW7 was simply below your minimal graphics standards. Well, I can certainly understand that, but for many of us it is not. I personally am very much into nostalgia gaming, and DW7 is exactly the kind of game I am looking for. I would sooner see it as a hyped-up SNES game that a next generation PS RPG. In all actuallity, I used to play text-based adventure games all the time. Hitchhikers guide to the galaxy on the C-64, anyone?

Final Fantasy one did not have much of a story at all. Its gameplay during combat was awful, super slow and pooorly programed even for the NES. But you know what, I still love that game. I cannot point to this or that, but overall, I enjoyed every damn minute I spent playing it. So, I just call it that 'feeling'. Perhaps it is a reflection of my age, or the distorted lense of perception caused by nostalgia. Whichever, Final Fantasy one is still an awesome game in my book.

I can definetly see your comparison between FF6 and FF9, in fact I would agree for the most part. Yet, given those two games, I would likely choose FF6. It simply was more fun to play, even the third time through. In fact, I would generally choose any SNES FF game over a PS FF game. They simply had something that is lacking in the current final fantasy games. Again, I wish I could be more specific as to what exactly I am talking about, but I think at least a few people will understand.

You are right about hollow graphics-based games being nothing new. There have been those kind of games since the dawn of Atari and the video game revolution. The only thing I see that has changed, is now many of the 'consumer' gamers are buying into the hype. Whereas in the past that goofy poorly made 2D fighting game for snes sat on a rental shelf for about a year until everyone knew it sucked, nowadays people shell out the cash for these things without even trying them first. This in turn has led deveolpers to dangle the digital anti-aliased gaussian blurred carrot in front of gamers noses, and many are following without thinking twice. Thats probably the thing I find most annoying.

Also, as I stated in another post, I havent seen a worthwhile game come out for the PS2 yet. I simply find most of the games dull and unimaginative, and as such the only thing left to concentrate on is the graphics. Perhaps that is why they get slamed so much.

As for DW7, it is percisely the kind of game I have been looking for, because all along I just wanted another cool SNES RPG. Graphics, while they DO matter, are just very low on my priority list. I cant get worked up over particle effects and vertex shaders anymore. I would much rather play a good 2D game. In fact, I would quickly invest my money in a next generation 2D system. Funny, one of my all time favortie games (Elite II: Frontiers) may have started something that ultimately turned into a trend that led to my interests demise in games.

Well, thier you have it, Dogofwar. I look foward very much to see what you have to say about my opinions, and hope you took no offence to my comparing mine to yours.

Sincerely,
TastEPlasma

[Amberion]

I think one of the greatest things with low-graphics games was how it forced you to imagine the characters and situations, kind of like a book. You don't get that with the high graphics games like FF8-10, where all the characters and scenery are done in super-realistic style(with the noted exception of cartoony look in ff9, but my point still stands).

Amberion

[TastEPlasma]

Greetings,

Actually, yea, your right. I think perhaps thats why Final Fantasy one had so much story and plot...because my imagination was more than willing to fill in the gaps. I have even taken the time to outline a fanfic centered around Final Fantasy one, though I never got around to actually writing it.

I tell ya, as a 'hack author' as it were, I know all too well how little the imagination is revered in this society. We admire other peoples imaginations, expressed in cinema or gaming, both most people who meet an actively creative person brand them as nerd or snobby artist. It can actually be quite frsuterating at times to put your heart and soul into a work, only to have a person dismiss it as a childish waste of time.

Well, Im getting off track here. But yes, you do make a good point...perhaps thats why I dont like 3D games as much, they leave less to the imagination, which is far superior graphics wise to even ten billion polygons with lighting effects and transformations.

Sincerely,
TastEPlasma

[A-C]

I'm with you on the DW7 issue TastEPlasma, for me it's not about it having awesome graphics because i already played the older Dragon Warrior Series and i know how good it is so i just want another one, i don't care if its all 3d or not, it's being able to play that kind of RPG once again (as they say old sk00l kind), mind not i have played FF9 and finished it was an awesome game but that does not exclude the fact of me playing games with less details in its graphics. I wonder why this game sold 3 million copies in 3 days in Japan more than any FF game on the psx, simply because they enjoy the story and its background. When you come to play a new game you have high expectations because you never heard of that certain game but if when young you played a game that marked you and you really enjoyed it then when you grow older and you have a chance to replay that game you don't hesitate twice. FF1 on NES also rocked!!!

[lizardj]

keep throwin' the same arguments as u like, guys. up till now, after ten hours of game play in dw7, i still have a hardtime convincin' myself that the game has such a great plot good enough to cover its poor graphics. altho on a side note, durin the battle scene, the enemies' animation is pretty tight, really really smooth. they've prob'ly thrown in like 50 frames to each action a monster does. from a cartoonist's pt of view, thatz very impressive. juz to think how many monsters there r n' how many moves each has, and they r most likely all hand drown, too.

oh ya, and to tastEP... dun mean to put u down, but if all u want is ANOTHER cool snes rpg, u r so welcome to juz wait for the hackers to traslate wuts out there. and i bet u havent beat, or even played all the good rpgs they have for nes/genesis/snes/etc. y dun u juz go play them while u hide in a cave and smile at those out of date graphics as the world keep advancin' to a new level. oh shoot, mah bad if i've offended ne of u. i say u should go get a GBA and play their rpgs. surely they will fit in to yer old skul rpg catagory. personally i m in love w/ gba and itz awesome games, like golden sun, for instance.

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[TastEPlasma]

Greetings,

Yea, actually you might be suprised at the number of RPGs I have beat, including fan-subbed (correct terminology?) SNES ones. ANd actually yes, I do play those old school games and smile nostalgically at the screen while the 4X quincunx anti-aliasing and pixel shaders pass me by. Ironically enough, however, I have a tendancy to keep a tab on these technologies.

The most ironic fact is that me and my friends often refer to my house as 'the cave', because I prefer it coal-miners-ass-in-alaska cold and keep all the windows covered up with blankets. Helps my lazy nerdy ass burn calories whilst I sit and enjoy another round of Super Metriod or try to finish my FF3 for NES game.

And no, lizardj, I certainly do not take any offence from you stating your opinions. Its nice to see that people can do that without using insults and cuss words. You do make some good points, but consider that we make the same arguements over and over again, because for us those arguements apply and make sense. To you, I can imagine it probably seems like utter nonsense.

Actually, I just recently picked up a copy of DW7, and am currently playing with the various plug-ins to see what I can achieve, in terms of graphic upgrading. Having an AiW Radeon helps, what with 4X directX FSAA, but sometimes the polygons actually look better not being so crisp.

Anyways, I am still a big propenent of 2D gaming, and I would very much like to see some future titles that rely on the 2D platform style of gaming, simply because I happen to enjoy that type of game. For me, Castlevania:SotN was a godsend, and one of the funnest games I have played since Super Metriod. And it can be safely argued that neither of these games have anything vaguely substantial in the way of plot or story, and the graphics were on par for thier times of release. Nevertheless, these games were fun to play. That is still the number one goal I have in mind when considering a new purchase, is whether or not I will have a good time playing it.

I guess all I am really trying to say is, dont judge a book by its cover. Graphics are important, to a certain extent, but not so much that they overun elements such as gameplay and in the case of RPGs, plot and storyline. This is simply my opinion and view on things. I do not mean to intend that anyone who reads this should adopt my viewpoint, and I would rather they consider the entire situation logically and reach thier own conclusion. And thier is certainly nothing wrong in reaching a opinion which is in direct opposition to mine.

Well, I guess thats all I really have to say. Gods, I have been up for 26 hours straight studying Nihongo, saved only a tiny bit of mental discipline and a whole lot of coffee. Again, for all those that took the time to read and ponder my words, I greatly appreciate it.

Sincerely,
TastEPlasma