FF9-60fps, LoD-60fps, CC-60fps, FFT-50fps . . . WTF?

EfrainMan · October 15th, 2001

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Enigma1982 · October 15th, 2001

Is your FFT pal version???
If yes............
NTSC games -60 fps
PAL games -50 fps
If not
ignore this post.....................

**SimonMallion** · October 15th, 2001

Im not sure that there was a PAL version, I had to get the NTSC version. I may be wrong :help: (these new smilies are great BTW)

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EfrainMan · October 15th, 2001

NTSC. Post ignored

:stupid: (j/k)

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October 15th, 2001

i dont think there is a PAL version of the game

Nezzar · October 15th, 2001

If there would be one I should have it, I guess

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Cyberman · October 15th, 2001

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I get full fps on those games and a bunch of others, but on Final Fantasy Tactics I consistently lose 5-10fps for some reason. I've fiddled around with the settings and tried Pete's D3D too (50-55fps) but nothing. Plus, Lewpy's performs an illegal operation on GPU init more often that not.

Here we go.. speed may be more of an issue of "FF tactics" being mostly a 2d game IE there are a lot of sprites involved. This WILL be slow. D3D glide and other accelerators really can't improve blitting 2d data to the screen much. So .. this will be slower. Impoving this would require monkeying with the DMA chain in the GPU but the programer.. and quite frankley most of the time it's really not necessary

Bottom line is.. :bash: it will involve copying data from the virtual PSX memory into the virtual PSX display memory and copying that data to the display.. no real speed improvement to be had.

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EfrainMan · October 15th, 2001

Alright, I guess . . . but how about my other little problem? The illegal operation on GPU init (the game doesn't matter). Any suggestions for that?

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**Exophase** · October 18th, 2001

I don't own FFT, but seeing as how it's a fully 2D game have you tried Pete's soft GPU? It could at least look better, at any rate.

- Exophase

EfrainMan · October 18th, 2001

Tried the soft and it looked

I'll stick with the Hardware renderers thank you very much

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**Exophase** · October 19th, 2001

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Originally posted by EfrainMan
Tried the soft and it looked I'll stick with the Hardware renderers thank you very much .

Suit yourself, although I don't know how you could prefer the broken up hw filtering. You know that you can turn off the soft filtering if you turn off DDraw acceleration, right?

- Exo

October 19th, 2001

I am sure it is not the game .. but who knows. With my TNT2 Ultra with the frame limiting off I was able to get these results with Pete's Plugins. I know we have different cards, but it might just be your type of card doesn't handle this game very well. Also forgot to mention this was from a CD. i am sure the fps would be higher if i was using an ISO.

Pete's D3D

Pete's OpenGL

Pete's Software

heh, and people say old cards can't get good fps speeds

Zell · October 19th, 2001

that's Speed , i'm waiting for my Geforce 3 , then finally i get speed back , damm kyro chip !!!

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Cyberman · October 19th, 2001

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that's Speed , i'm waiting for my Geforce 3 , then finally i get speed back ,

The problem isn't the Kyro it's the fact that they skimped on the drivers. This has become a CHRONIC problem in the industry now. People make cards and don't make proper software drivers for them. Finding people to do the drivers is the first problem the second one is that once someone does a driver. Microsoft will change the specs of the OS to obsolete the driver

Anyhow.. don't blame the hardware when it's just the cheapness of the video card maker that's hurting you

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Zell · October 19th, 2001

Well you could use linux , but what you said is right , Kyro ain't bad , but still it's saver to have nVidia card's or a matrox

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Cyberman · October 20th, 2001

The problem with Kyro and Linux is huge.
ST tightly guards the information on the Kyro chipset which means people can't port MESA to it and a DRI driver can't be made. I think it's silly and foolish to skimp on drivers. Since this is what SELLS the product

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Cyberman · October 20th, 2001

Oh for the latest Kyro drivers try this page.

Kyro Developers Web Site

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EfrainMan · October 20th, 2001

Thanks for the 411

I have a VooDoo 5, and Lewpy's looks better than any of Pete's, especially the soft. Lotta things missing or flickering :eek:.

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October 15th, 2001	#1 (permalink)
EfrainMan Scourge of the Seven Seas Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 2,411	FF9-60fps, LoD-60fps, CC-60fps, FFT-50fps . . . WTF? I get full fps on those games and a bunch of others, but on Final Fantasy Tactics I consistently lose 5-10fps for some reason. I've fiddled around with the settings and tried Pete's D3D too (50-55fps) but nothing. Plus, Lewpy's performs an illegal operation on GPU init more often that not. What's going on here?! Running off ISO, my stats are in my profile, here are my settings: Lewpy's Glide³ Plugin Configuration Information v1.35 ----------------------------------------------------- Computer Information OS : Microsoft Windows 98 SE (v4.10 Build 2222) DirectX : DirectX 8.0a installed Processor : AMD AMD Athlon(tm) Processor, 948Mhz (1 off) (00/0622) 64kb L1-I, 64kb L1-D, 512kb L2 (on-chip) Memory : 320Mb Core Emulator ePSXe : C:\PROGRAM FILES\EPSXE\EPSXE.EXE : 25/06/2001 20:31, 153088 bytes -------------------------------------------------------* \| Type \| Name \| Version \| Date \| -------------------------------------------------------* \| BIOS \| SCPH7502.BIN \| \| 17/07/2000 23:28 \| \| CDR \| cdrPeteAspi.dll \| 1.7 \| 22/09/2001 15:20 \| \| GPU \| gpuLewGlide.dll \| 1.35 \| 01/08/2001 20:05 \| \| SPU \| spuIori.dll \| 1.4 \| 01/09/2001 22:58 \| -------------------------------------------------------* --------------------------------------------------* \| ePSXe Configuration Item \| Current Setting \| --------------------------------------------------* \| Sound Enabled \| Yes \| \| CDDA Enabled \| Yes \| \| XA Enabled \| Yes \| \| XA Read Enabled \| Yes \| \| SPU IRQ Hack \| No \| \| CDROM Drive Letter \| First Available \| \| CDROM Accurate Timing \| No \| \| Disable CDROM Status \| No \| \| Disable CDROM RT Status \| No \| \| MDEC Enabled \| Yes \| \| MDEC Timing Enabled \| Yes \| \| SIO IRQ Always Enabled \| No \| \| Country \| NTSC \| --------------------------------------------------* Glide³ Board : Voodoo5 (tm) Version : 3.10.00.0658 File : C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\glide3x.dll : 06/12/2000 20:44, 329728 bytes --------------------------------------------------* \| Plugin Configuration Item \| Current Setting \| --------------------------------------------------* \| Active Configuration \| 2 \| \| Active 3dfx Card \| 1 \| \| Enable HotKeys \| No \| \| Resolution \| 640x480 \| \| Refresh Rate \| 100Hz \| \| Emulate MASK Bit \| No \| \| Dynamic Texture Caching \| Yes \| \| Custom FrameCap \| 60Hz \| \| On-Screen Display \| Off \| \| Frame Skip \| Disabled \| \| FrameRate Limit \| Full-Rate \| \| System Type \| NTSC \| \| FrameCap Method \| New \| \| Draw Method \| Bright \| \| Alpha Blending Mode \| Advanced \| \| Bilinear Filtering \| Enabled \| \| Alpha Testing \| Normal \| \| FrameBuffer Access \| Write \| \| Off-Screen Drawing \| Full \| \| Polygon Mode \| Textured \| \| Texture Windows \| Enabled \| \| VSync \| Disabled \| \| Banshee Code \| Disabled \| \| MDEC Format \| Texture \| \| Experimental Flipping \| Off \| \| Experimental Screen Sizing \| Off \| \| FrontBuffer Rendering Fix \| Off \| \| FF7 TextureWindow Fix \| Off \| \| DMAChain Fix \| Long \| --------------------------------------------------* I'm thinking of reinstalling ePSXe . . . Thanks in advance! __________________ Intel Core 2 Quad Q9550 @ 3.4 GHz, 8GB DDR2, ATi Radeon HD 4870 X2, Asus P5E Deluxe, Windows 7 Ultimate x64. Just an ol' Batard. Last edited by EfrainMan; October 15th, 2001 at 06:53..

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October 15th, 2001	#2 (permalink)
Enigma1982 Do not Disturb Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Bangkok,Thailand Posts: 1,808	Is your FFT pal version??? If yes............ NTSC games -60 fps PAL games -50 fps If not ignore this post.....................

October 15th, 2001	#3 (permalink)
SimonMallion Emu author Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: England Posts: 1,064	Im not sure that there was a PAL version, I had to get the NTSC version. I may be wrong :help: (these new smilies are great BTW) __________________ http://simonmallion.homedns.org - Home of PSXMemTool

October 15th, 2001	#4 (permalink)
EfrainMan Scourge of the Seven Seas Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 2,411	NTSC. Post ignored :stupid: (j/k) __________________ Intel Core 2 Quad Q9550 @ 3.4 GHz, 8GB DDR2, ATi Radeon HD 4870 X2, Asus P5E Deluxe, Windows 7 Ultimate x64. Just an ol' Batard. Last edited by EfrainMan; October 15th, 2001 at 14:54..

October 15th, 2001	#5 (permalink)
Samor Guest Posts: n/a	i dont think there is a PAL version of the game

October 15th, 2001	#6 (permalink)
Nezzar NSBQ nut Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: .de Posts: 1,208	If there would be one I should have it, I guess __________________ Bred for its skills in magic

October 15th, 2001	#8 (permalink)
EfrainMan Scourge of the Seven Seas Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 2,411	Alright, I guess . . . but how about my other little problem? The illegal operation on GPU init (the game doesn't matter). Any suggestions for that? __________________ Intel Core 2 Quad Q9550 @ 3.4 GHz, 8GB DDR2, ATi Radeon HD 4870 X2, Asus P5E Deluxe, Windows 7 Ultimate x64. Just an ol' Batard.

October 18th, 2001	#9 (permalink)
Exophase Emu author Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Cleveland OH, USA Posts: 1,184	I don't own FFT, but seeing as how it's a fully 2D game have you tried Pete's soft GPU? It could at least look better, at any rate. - Exophase

October 18th, 2001	#10 (permalink)
EfrainMan Scourge of the Seven Seas Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 2,411	Tried the soft and it looked I'll stick with the Hardware renderers thank you very much . __________________ Intel Core 2 Quad Q9550 @ 3.4 GHz, 8GB DDR2, ATi Radeon HD 4870 X2, Asus P5E Deluxe, Windows 7 Ultimate x64. Just an ol' Batard.

October 19th, 2001	#12 (permalink)
Keith Guest Posts: n/a	I am sure it is not the game .. but who knows. With my TNT2 Ultra with the frame limiting off I was able to get these results with Pete's Plugins. I know we have different cards, but it might just be your type of card doesn't handle this game very well. Also forgot to mention this was from a CD. i am sure the fps would be higher if i was using an ISO. Pete's D3D Pete's OpenGL Pete's Software heh, and people say old cards can't get good fps speeds

October 19th, 2001	#13 (permalink)
Zell The Sword Saint Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Death Zone Posts: 1,750	that's Speed , i'm waiting for my Geforce 3 , then finally i get speed back , damm kyro chip !!! __________________ Kuzuryusen ! God-like speed to attack all nine vital points in one stroke. Impossible to dodge and defend ! How want's to stop me E-Mail

October 19th, 2001	#15 (permalink)
Zell The Sword Saint Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Death Zone Posts: 1,750	Well you could use linux , but what you said is right , Kyro ain't bad , but still it's saver to have nVidia card's or a matrox __________________ Kuzuryusen ! God-like speed to attack all nine vital points in one stroke. Impossible to dodge and defend ! How want's to stop me E-Mail

October 20th, 2001	#16 (permalink)
Cyberman I code therefore I am. Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: I live therefore it's enough. Posts: 412	The problem with Kyro and Linux is huge. ST tightly guards the information on the Kyro chipset which means people can't port MESA to it and a DRI driver can't be made. I think it's silly and foolish to skimp on drivers. Since this is what SELLS the product __________________ Think GEEK! Cyb's page of FF7 and more viewing

October 20th, 2001	#17 (permalink)
Cyberman I code therefore I am. Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: I live therefore it's enough. Posts: 412	Oh for the latest Kyro drivers try this page. Kyro Developers Web Site __________________ Think GEEK! Cyb's page of FF7 and more viewing

October 20th, 2001	#18 (permalink)
EfrainMan Scourge of the Seven Seas Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 2,411	Thanks for the 411 I have a VooDoo 5, and Lewpy's looks better than any of Pete's, especially the soft. Lotta things missing or flickering :eek:. __________________ Intel Core 2 Quad Q9550 @ 3.4 GHz, 8GB DDR2, ATi Radeon HD 4870 X2, Asus P5E Deluxe, Windows 7 Ultimate x64. Just an ol' Batard.