seperate cd plugin or use internal?

BluDChyLD · May 2nd, 2002

Is there any reason to choose a 3rd party one (petes etc) over the built in cd plug in in terms of speed and compatibility?
Thanks

**Kane** · May 2nd, 2002

Pete's one is better for CDs as it supports async reads and read ahead.
If you are using an ISO, just stick with ithe internal.

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**Prafull** · May 2nd, 2002

yes pete's plugin is better for the reasons mentioned by lord kane.
I myself use pete's plugins.

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sithspawn · May 2nd, 2002

i personally use pete's cdr plugins (have some noticeable speed difference with some games).
now that u mention it, lord kane, which one's better: async or read ahead?

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**Xeven** · May 2nd, 2002

actually SaPu's Cdr plugin supports additional async reads as well, although i think the difference in performance between pure sync to sync + additional async only comes into play if the bottleneck is the drive itself..

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**Kane** · May 2nd, 2002

...dunno, I don't use anything other than ISO's so it's a moot point. I think it would depend on the game. A game like FF9 which uses a lot of data in a stream (MDECs) would probs be better off with read ahead, but another game that accesses data all accross the CD would be better with async...
I could be wrong tho...

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**Xeven** · May 2nd, 2002

actually doing an additional async read when the games reads from totally different sector areas (area being curr_buffered_sector + width_sectors_buffered) would slowdown reading because the probability of issuing another read on another area while still doing the async read occurs, in this case you either have to wait for the async read to finish before issuing another read, or issue a read and let the cdr drive take care of it, either the cdr chokes because its trying to read different areas of the disk at the same time, or if the timing was that the new read issued started at ~the end of the current async read, then it'l probably okay. Of course such problems could probably be fixed by adjusting the number of bufferered sectors per read, as needed. For reading large files, like MDECS, async makes things more "seamless", since while the emu reads from the buffer, you're already reading some 'more' sectors from the disk, so in essence asynchronous reading is very good for reading contigous areas of a cdrom disk..

Sometimes is good to do "intelligent" async reading, if for example the emu reads a file that is really big, + async reading would be nice, if the emu is currently reading an area of the disk where the file is small, not issuing the async read would probably be better..

Now, what the heck did i just say?.. i dunno, even i confused myself..

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**Prafull** · May 2nd, 2002

Additional plus points in pete's cdr plugin are subchannel and ppf options and also to create those sbi and m3s files.

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G-Pitts · May 2nd, 2002

Use pete cdr plugin or Sapu`s cdr plugin. This plugin give the best speed and has high compatibality (at least for me). By the way, the best way to play psx games is to play them from ISO which will give you speed and eliminate many cdr problem.

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**fivefeet8** · May 2nd, 2002

I use the internal win2k cdr pluggin most if not all the time.. Ease of use and works fine and dandy on my system..

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**Xeven** · May 2nd, 2002

i know this is totally unrelated but, do you guys use the read subchannel option for the Pete's Plugin? Did you find any games that wont work if subchannel reading is not turned on?

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G-Pitts · May 2nd, 2002

My cd drive didnt support subchannel read but all my games run fine if I play them from CD with subchannel option off.

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Ultragunner · May 2nd, 2002

some solves issues like the dragon warrior problem so there is also a need to try all of the any plugins available.

i myself use the internal most of the time and my alternate is cdr mooby.

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May 2nd, 2002

I have found these plugins work best for me 1.Sapu's. I don't use subchannel reading so it doesn't matter that this plugin does not support it, yet. 2. Internal. Excellent choice, always has been, always will be. 3. Pete's. See the comments about the internal, plus it does the PPF patches automatically. But Dino Crisis is the only game that I have that needs this.
So, the main reason that i choose SPU's is because it handles my DVD drive perfectly, better than the other two and my DVD is drive I use mainly for PSX games.
sincerely,
sx/amiga

ready2rumbel · May 2nd, 2002

First off, what is 'subchannel' for? Secondly, I prefer the internal CD-ROM plugin of ePSXe 1.5.1 cause Pete's causes games to chop slightly sometimes, not obvious chops but the game soesn't look as smooth as when i'm using the internal plugin. If there's a way of getting round this, i'll surely give Pete's plugin another try.

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**Shadow Lady** · May 3rd, 2002

I think Sapu's cdr is so great cauze of the autodetected options ^^

but I tried on adripsx ile and Resident Evil Survivor and there are some conflicts on xa, when pete dont do that... didnt try on epsxe anyway ;P<span style="height: 11; Filter: Glow(Color=black)>

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SSJ4 Gogeta · May 3rd, 2002

I am not aware of these technicalities in CD plugins but as far gaming is concerned I only used the internal CD plugin of ePSXe or use an iso image to minimize CD usage due to the fast wearing out of the CD motors and being forced to buy a new one at an early time..........

**Kane** · May 3rd, 2002

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Originally posted by ready2rumbel
First off, what is 'subchannel' for? Secondly, I prefer the internal CD-ROM plugin of ePSXe 1.5.1 cause Pete's causes games to chop slightly sometimes, not obvious chops but the game soesn't look as smooth as when i'm using the internal plugin. If there's a way of getting round this, i'll surely give Pete's plugin another try.

Subchannel reads are for certain copy protected games. The copy protection relies on loking at subchannel information encoded in data tracks, and these options allow the reading of said information.

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May 2nd, 2002	#2 (permalink)
Kane 邪魔ゎ指せない Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Gosport, England Posts: 26,305	Pete's one is better for CDs as it supports async reads and read ahead. If you are using an ISO, just stick with ithe internal. __________________ >Site Live< Pop over to my site for help with setting up PSX emulators. Help for the Final Fantasies and other RPGs avalaible Celes: (Desktop) Athlon 64 X2 4200+, 2Gb 400MHz DDR Ram, MSI K8N Platinum, GeForce 8800 GTS 320Mb, 500Gb RAID HDD, Vista Business Erika: (MCPC) Athlon XP 2400+, 1Gb 400MHz DDR Ram, geForce 6800 256Mb, 80Gb Hdd, XP 2005 MCE Kimiko: (Desktop 2) Athlon 64 3000+, 512Mb 400MHz DDR Ram, Asus K8V, geForce 6800 128Mb

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Prafull Administrator, PCSX2 tester Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: India Posts: 5,046	yes pete's plugin is better for the reasons mentioned by lord kane. I myself use pete's plugins. __________________ E6750, Abit ip35E, MSI GTX260, Transcend 2GB DDR2 800 RAM, BENQ E2200HD.

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sithspawn The Spawn of Sith Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: In a galaxy far, far away ... Posts: 183	i personally use pete's cdr plugins (have some noticeable speed difference with some games). now that u mention it, lord kane, which one's better: async or read ahead? ~sithspawn __________________ "There is no try. There is do, or do not."

May 2nd, 2002	#5 (permalink)
Xeven A BIG BAD BATARD™ Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 5,523	actually SaPu's Cdr plugin supports additional async reads as well, although i think the difference in performance between pure sync to sync + additional async only comes into play if the bottleneck is the drive itself.. __________________

May 2nd, 2002	#6 (permalink)
Kane 邪魔ゎ指せない Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Gosport, England Posts: 26,305	...dunno, I don't use anything other than ISO's so it's a moot point. I think it would depend on the game. A game like FF9 which uses a lot of data in a stream (MDECs) would probs be better off with read ahead, but another game that accesses data all accross the CD would be better with async... I could be wrong tho... __________________ >Site Live< Pop over to my site for help with setting up PSX emulators. Help for the Final Fantasies and other RPGs avalaible Celes: (Desktop) Athlon 64 X2 4200+, 2Gb 400MHz DDR Ram, MSI K8N Platinum, GeForce 8800 GTS 320Mb, 500Gb RAID HDD, Vista Business Erika: (MCPC) Athlon XP 2400+, 1Gb 400MHz DDR Ram, geForce 6800 256Mb, 80Gb Hdd, XP 2005 MCE Kimiko: (Desktop 2) Athlon 64 3000+, 512Mb 400MHz DDR Ram, Asus K8V, geForce 6800 128Mb

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Xeven A BIG BAD BATARD™ Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 5,523	actually doing an additional async read when the games reads from totally different sector areas (area being curr_buffered_sector + width_sectors_buffered) would slowdown reading because the probability of issuing another read on another area while still doing the async read occurs, in this case you either have to wait for the async read to finish before issuing another read, or issue a read and let the cdr drive take care of it, either the cdr chokes because its trying to read different areas of the disk at the same time, or if the timing was that the new read issued started at ~the end of the current async read, then it'l probably okay. Of course such problems could probably be fixed by adjusting the number of bufferered sectors per read, as needed. For reading large files, like MDECS, async makes things more "seamless", since while the emu reads from the buffer, you're already reading some 'more' sectors from the disk, so in essence asynchronous reading is very good for reading contigous areas of a cdrom disk.. Sometimes is good to do "intelligent" async reading, if for example the emu reads a file that is really big, + async reading would be nice, if the emu is currently reading an area of the disk where the file is small, not issuing the async read would probably be better.. Now, what the heck did i just say?.. i dunno, even i confused myself.. __________________ Last edited by Xeven; May 2nd, 2002 at 20:20..

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Prafull Administrator, PCSX2 tester Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: India Posts: 5,046	Additional plus points in pete's cdr plugin are subchannel and ppf options and also to create those sbi and m3s files. __________________ E6750, Abit ip35E, MSI GTX260, Transcend 2GB DDR2 800 RAM, BENQ E2200HD.

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G-Pitts Whats Up Doc! Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Land Below The Wind, Malaysia Posts: 1,232	Use pete cdr plugin or Sapu`s cdr plugin. This plugin give the best speed and has high compatibality (at least for me). By the way, the best way to play psx games is to play them from ISO which will give you speed and eliminate many cdr problem. __________________ Kar-T-Ney + AMD Athlon64 X2 3600+ (2.25 ghz) + 4096 MB DDR2 + Geforce 7600GT 256 MB DDR3 + Realtek HD Audio + WinXP Pro SP2

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fivefeet8 &-)---\|--< Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Smallville Posts: 7,698	I use the internal win2k cdr pluggin most if not all the time.. Ease of use and works fine and dandy on my system.. __________________ Play emulated games online Main Rig\|\|Intel Q6600@3.2 ghertz\|4x1gb DDR2 1066\|Asrock 1600sli 110db LGA 775\|EVGA 8800gtx@620/1450/975\|2x Seagate 160gb SATA150 Raid0\|250 gb Samsung SATA2 HD\|Seagate 7000.10 500gb HD\|NEC 3520 4x/8x DVD+R/RW DL burner\|Antec TP 650 watt\|40" Sony Bravia 1080p\|20.1" 5ms LCD 1680x1050 Native\|Logitec 5.1 Speaker System w/15" Sub\|Dual Boot Ubuntu 64bit/Vista 32bit\|\| SimplyBuyIt - Health&Nutrition

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Xeven A BIG BAD BATARD™ Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 5,523	i know this is totally unrelated but, do you guys use the read subchannel option for the Pete's Plugin? Did you find any games that wont work if subchannel reading is not turned on? __________________

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G-Pitts Whats Up Doc! Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Land Below The Wind, Malaysia Posts: 1,232	My cd drive didnt support subchannel read but all my games run fine if I play them from CD with subchannel option off. __________________ Kar-T-Ney + AMD Athlon64 X2 3600+ (2.25 ghz) + 4096 MB DDR2 + Geforce 7600GT 256 MB DDR3 + Realtek HD Audio + WinXP Pro SP2

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Ultragunner Trans-Am Mode Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: 127.0.0.1 Posts: 997	some solves issues like the dragon warrior problem so there is also a need to try all of the any plugins available. i myself use the internal most of the time and my alternate is cdr mooby. __________________ PC Specs:

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sxamiga Guest Posts: n/a	I have found these plugins work best for me 1.Sapu's. I don't use subchannel reading so it doesn't matter that this plugin does not support it, yet. 2. Internal. Excellent choice, always has been, always will be. 3. Pete's. See the comments about the internal, plus it does the PPF patches automatically. But Dino Crisis is the only game that I have that needs this. So, the main reason that i choose SPU's is because it handles my DVD drive perfectly, better than the other two and my DVD is drive I use mainly for PSX games. sincerely, sx/amiga

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ready2rumbel Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 38	First off, what is 'subchannel' for? Secondly, I prefer the internal CD-ROM plugin of ePSXe 1.5.1 cause Pete's causes games to chop slightly sometimes, not obvious chops but the game soesn't look as smooth as when i'm using the internal plugin. If there's a way of getting round this, i'll surely give Pete's plugin another try. __________________ AMD Athlon XP 1600+ (@1400Mhz) 384 MB SDRAM ATi Radeon 64MB VIVO Soundblaster Live! Value 20GB Samsung Hardisk 16x/40x Pioneer DVD-Drive (Slot) Klutzon

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Shadow Lady Advanced Newbie Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Bogotá... not that it matters... Posts: 5,792	I think Sapu's cdr is so great cauze of the autodetected options ^^ but I tried on adripsx ile and Resident Evil Survivor and there are some conflicts on xa, when pete dont do that... didnt try on epsxe anyway ;P<span style="height: 11; Filter: Glow(Color=black)> __________________ Main Rig: Pentium Dual-Core E2160 @ 2.8GHz -- 9600GT @ 715/1033MHz -- 4GB DDR2-667 4-4-4-12 -- Windows Server 2008 SP2 Collecting dust: AMD Athlon XP 2600+ -- ATI Radeon 9500 Pro -- SB Live 5.1 Digital -- 2.5GB DDR 2-2-2-5 Ram -- Windows 2003 server r2 SP1

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SSJ4 Gogeta Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Where the Hell am I Posts: 38	I am not aware of these technicalities in CD plugins but as far gaming is concerned I only used the internal CD plugin of ePSXe or use an iso image to minimize CD usage due to the fast wearing out of the CD motors and being forced to buy a new one at an early time..........