Final Fantasy 4 graphics discrepancies

rave · March 29th, 2002

I've seen a couple of discrepancies from the SNES version. Some tiles are missing, and some tiles which were meant to be transparent are not transparent.

As far as I know, this game is actually an SNES emulation on the PSX. Was it a perfect port, or do these things show up even on a real PSX?

I've attached a set of screenshots. The images at the left are from ZSNES, and the ones at the right are from ePSXe.

What are your thoughts?

March 29th, 2002

I think that's an emulator bug rather than a PSX bug.

Laban · March 29th, 2002

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Originally posted by ChrisRay
I think that's an emulator bug rather than a PSX bug.

I agree. It's probably an emulation bug. What does FF4 look like on a playstation?

Phoenix Flame · March 29th, 2002

It's probably due to yoru graphics plugin. If you're used a hardware accelerated plugin (OpenGL, D3D, Glide), change it to a software one and see how you go.

**Shadow Lady** · March 30th, 2002

In software mode it will see like the pics, are these in soft or in another api? ^^

I dont want to take my old PSX from the dusted box, can someone here tell if the PSX graphics are like the ePSXe grap?

rave · March 30th, 2002

I took those shots with the P.E.Op.S. soft GPU.

In any case, I ran the game under Bleem, VGS, AdriPSX and ePSXe, and got the same results in terms of graphics. That's what led me to think that maybe that's how it would look like on a real PSX. Anyway, I hope I'm wrong.

March 30th, 2002

No it is not SNES emulation for the PSX. The game was rewritten for the PSX (ported over if you will) but the graphics were left the same. I guess Square felt that people would so happy to have FF4 on PSX that they wouldn't care that much about the dated graphics.
Shadow Lady, the graphics on ePSXe can be filtered and made to look nicer w/3d type enhancements even though it not a 3D game. But if you run it in software (like PEOPS GPU), then graphics will look very much like the Original PSX graphics. Maybe we should all wait for Nickk's next GL GPU w/2X SAI and Super Eagle modes. Either of those modes would make this game look very very nice indeed.
sincerely,
sx/amiga

rave · April 1st, 2002

Actually, I already ran that using P.E.Op.S. (see my post above). In any case, I find it really weird that all the emulators I have here give the same graphic results. Anyway, maybe someone who has ran it on a real PSX can give this issue some light.

On using 3D plugins for 2D games, well, that might work... sometimes. Often, the filtering offered by 3D plugins actually look inferior to the screen smoothing of a software plugin. This is because the 2D sprites are most of the time filtered as separate textures and this results in a "detached" look to them. Best stick to the screen smoothing of 2D plugins, if you ask me.

Zeke_D · April 1st, 2002

I know this reply will not address your original question but I have found that Kayuzza soft 1.7 works really well on SNES ports. I am looking forward to v1.8 to be reeased soon.

**Dark Watcher** · April 1st, 2002

So far we call it an emu bug...the 2 areas most noticable are the black borders on the ship....and in the first castle..the lake surrounding the castle looks like sand...If you play the game on a real PSX the errors do not appear....regardless of what emu or plugin used they will appear.....

Minor issue though...only the picky will be bothered...

rave · April 2nd, 2002

Thanks for that insight. And yes, I can be picky sometimes. Hehehe.

Phoenix Flame · April 2nd, 2002

Here's an idea - switch to Pete's OpenGL and turn on Keep PSX aspect ratio. I often find that can help things a bit in 2D games. See what happens with FF4.

March 29th, 2002	#1 (permalink)
rave Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 37	Final Fantasy 4 graphics discrepancies I've seen a couple of discrepancies from the SNES version. Some tiles are missing, and some tiles which were meant to be transparent are not transparent. As far as I know, this game is actually an SNES emulation on the PSX. Was it a perfect port, or do these things show up even on a real PSX? I've attached a set of screenshots. The images at the left are from ZSNES, and the ones at the right are from ePSXe. What are your thoughts? __________________ Compaq nx9010 Intel Celeron 2.6 GHz 384 MB RAM Mobile ATI RS200 chipset Windows XP Home

March 30th, 2002	#5 (permalink)
Shadow Lady Advanced Newbie Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Bogotá... not that it matters... Posts: 4,889	In software mode it will see like the pics, are these in soft or in another api? ^^ I dont want to take my old PSX from the dusted box, can someone here tell if the PSX graphics are like the ePSXe grap? __________________ Main Rig: Pentium Dual-Core E2160 @ 2.5GHz -- 7600GT @ 650/800MHz -- 2GB DDR2-667 4-4-4-12 -- Windows XP Pro SP3 Collecting dust: AMD Athlon XP 2600+ -- ATI Radeon 9500 Pro -- SB Live 5.1 Digital -- 2.5GB DDR 2-2-2-5 Ram -- Windows 2003 server r2 SP1

March 30th, 2002	#6 (permalink)
rave Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 37	I took those shots with the P.E.Op.S. soft GPU. In any case, I ran the game under Bleem, VGS, AdriPSX and ePSXe, and got the same results in terms of graphics. That's what led me to think that maybe that's how it would look like on a real PSX. Anyway, I hope I'm wrong. __________________ Compaq nx9010 Intel Celeron 2.6 GHz 384 MB RAM Mobile ATI RS200 chipset Windows XP Home

April 1st, 2002	#8 (permalink)
rave Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 37	Actually, I already ran that using P.E.Op.S. (see my post above). In any case, I find it really weird that all the emulators I have here give the same graphic results. Anyway, maybe someone who has ran it on a real PSX can give this issue some light. On using 3D plugins for 2D games, well, that might work... sometimes. Often, the filtering offered by 3D plugins actually look inferior to the screen smoothing of a software plugin. This is because the 2D sprites are most of the time filtered as separate textures and this results in a "detached" look to them. Best stick to the screen smoothing of 2D plugins, if you ask me. __________________ Compaq nx9010 Intel Celeron 2.6 GHz 384 MB RAM Mobile ATI RS200 chipset Windows XP Home Last edited by rave; April 1st, 2002 at 09:22.

April 1st, 2002	#9 (permalink)
Zeke_D 100% emulated freak Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Ari-fu ckin-zona Posts: 1,026	I know this reply will not address your original question but I have found that Kayuzza soft 1.7 works really well on SNES ports. I am looking forward to v1.8 to be reeased soon. __________________ AMD Athlon 64 X2 3800+ \| 2.0GB PC3200 \| Maxtor 120GB sATA\| GeForce 6800 GS 256MB Insignia IS-CM100751 19" \| XP Pro SP2 \| LG 16x Lightscribe DVD+/-RW \| Realtek Audio

March 29th, 2002	#2 (permalink)
ChrisRay Guest Posts: n/a	I think that's an emulator bug rather than a PSX bug.

March 29th, 2002	#4 (permalink)
Phoenix Flame Flood Yourself Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Adelaide, Australia Posts: 1,342	It's probably due to yoru graphics plugin. If you're used a hardware accelerated plugin (OpenGL, D3D, Glide), change it to a software one and see how you go.

March 30th, 2002	#7 (permalink)
sxamiga Guest Posts: n/a	No it is not SNES emulation for the PSX. The game was rewritten for the PSX (ported over if you will) but the graphics were left the same. I guess Square felt that people would so happy to have FF4 on PSX that they wouldn't care that much about the dated graphics. Shadow Lady, the graphics on ePSXe can be filtered and made to look nicer w/3d type enhancements even though it not a 3D game. But if you run it in software (like PEOPS GPU), then graphics will look very much like the Original PSX graphics. Maybe we should all wait for Nickk's next GL GPU w/2X SAI and Super Eagle modes. Either of those modes would make this game look very very nice indeed. sincerely, sx/amiga

April 1st, 2002	#10 (permalink)
Dark Watcher Coffee Demon Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Darkness, Unknown Posts: 2,898	hmmm So far we call it an emu bug...the 2 areas most noticable are the black borders on the ship....and in the first castle..the lake surrounding the castle looks like sand...If you play the game on a real PSX the errors do not appear....regardless of what emu or plugin used they will appear..... Minor issue though...only the picky will be bothered... __________________

April 2nd, 2002	#11 (permalink)
rave Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 37	Thanks for that insight. And yes, I can be picky sometimes. Hehehe. __________________ Compaq nx9010 Intel Celeron 2.6 GHz 384 MB RAM Mobile ATI RS200 chipset Windows XP Home

April 2nd, 2002	#12 (permalink)
Phoenix Flame Flood Yourself Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Adelaide, Australia Posts: 1,342	Here's an idea - switch to Pete's OpenGL and turn on Keep PSX aspect ratio. I often find that can help things a bit in 2D games. See what happens with FF4.

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