PS2 Emulation, possibility?

[haaris_abbasi]

I want to ask everyone this..... is it possible with my specs(minus the video card... im getting a geforce 3)......I mean.... the access rates and processor are way more than enough to play the games at normal resolution... i mean, there is not anti aliasing, only 4 megs of ram and can only produce 10 million at max(which no game has reached at the moment, the highest is metal gear solid 2, and thats at what the dreamcast can handle[which is its peak of 7 million polygons/sec[in actuality, Shenmue 2 released recently is 7.2, but there is some stress on the proccessor at sometimes as can be seen with some very few areas of slowdown]), and yet they have started on emulating the dreamcast[dreamcer], so is it possible with my specs? I mean my video card(even though its sucks) can process 6 million polys at max, so is it possible? even at 10 fps[it is possible though I KNOW if I buy the GeForce 3]?

[Betamax]

ps2 possible: NO

When will be: Try 5 years.

[CKemu]

one day yes u could, but first of all an emu for the PS2 would be required, and even with your excellent specs I doubt your machine could handle the 80GB+ bandwith of the PS2's graphics engine, but this has been covered in different threads before, so I ain't gonna go on................blah blah blah

Oh nad I doubt an emu for the PS2 will be around for atleast the next 2 years, and thats like an early version!!

[Noxious Ninja]

Maybe with a dual Athlon XP 2000+...

Did you really mean PS2? Or PSX/PS1?

[Nightmare]

Ps2 emulation is possible, but not for the present time.

[CKemu]

oh hell yes one day everything from the dreamcast, X-Box, PS2, and the GameCube will b emulated, emu authors are genius, but sadly not at the mo.

@ The Khan Artist:

Though a dual athlon provides better math crunching, its gonna be the GPU on your Graphics card that will make the difference, and the normal thins like RAM etc etc......but to get to 80GB bandwidth will be quite a feat.......I am not sure not most cards don't even support and 8th of that!!

[Noxious Ninja]

Umm, good point...

I stand corrected.

[CKemu]

Given 5 years and a major upgrade.....I will be able to turn my machine on and think......'hmmmmm what to play FF1 or 2 or 3 or 4 or 5 or 6 or 7 or 8 or 9 or 10 or 11 etc etc........' ahh that will b a fine thing

[Maxetormer]

With a real good video card you can certanly emulate a Ps2 a quadro form nvidia for a station can surpase the power of a ps2.

But this kinda of video card is very very very very expensive, the most afordable and with the better power, and a "decent price" is the quadroo dcc.

But this it is not as powerfull as the ps2 in some aspects, anyway this is the kinda of video card that is required for using Maya (The best 3d prog).

still there is more power full video cards on teh market but as i said they are to expensive.
After all, the games for this platafforms are made on a cpu.

For example see the game from lucas arts star wars galaxsis i has the greatest graphics i ever seen or The elder scrolls III Morrowind.
I think that i pc can beat a Ps2.
This games will be in market in this year a some others too.
This are the kinda of games that will really make some competicion with teh Ps2 games

[CKemu]

I prefer Max 4, but we all have preferences!!.........

[Goku7]

Wait a minute. 80GB bandwith?!!?!

That seems a little insane, especially for a console. How the heck did they give it that kinda capability when computers appearantly haven't hit that mark yet?

Anyway, I'm guessing that the best system candidate for emulating a PS2 would be decked out with RAMBUS memory chips; and a vid card that used RAMBUS technology for its VRAM.

Ok, so I guess that it would be a little impossible to get it to emulate it smoothly on today's technology. But, what if we played it at a lower resolution? Yes, yes, I know that would defeat the purpose of using video acceleration hardware to run a PS2 game, but how much of an increase in emulation stability would we get from running it in 320x240.

Taking the problem one step at a time might allow us to run them on today's systems.

[Kane]

Originally posted by Maxetormer
With a real good video card you can certanly emulate a Ps2 a quadro form nvidia for a station can surpase the power of a ps2.

But this kinda of video card is very very very very expensive, the most afordable and with the better power, and a "decent price" is the quadroo dcc.

But this it is not as powerfull as the ps2 in some aspects, anyway this is the kinda of video card that is required for using Maya (The best 3d prog).

still there is more power full video cards on teh market but as i said they are to expensive.
After all, the games for this platafforms are made on a cpu.

For example see the game from lucas arts star wars galaxsis i has the greatest graphics i ever seen or The elder scrolls III Morrowind.
I think that i pc can beat a Ps2.
This games will be in market in this year a some others too.
This are the kinda of games that will really make some competicion with teh Ps2 games

THe PS2 is less powerful, in thoery than a PS2, but could not emulate it. Think about it for a sec. PSX emulation is only really feasable on a 500 or more (For framebuffer stuff). That's well over 20x as powerfull as the 486 25MHz processor the PSX had. This would mean in theory that you would need at least a 6GHz machine.

Also add into the equation the parrallel architecture of th PS2, and you make it even more difficult. The 80Gb/s of the Video mem also makes it difficult.

PS2 Emulation will probs take about as long as Saturn emulation is taking (IMO), so do the intelligent thing buy a PS2!!!!!

And no a Quadro couldn't emulate a PS2 (It will be like a v2 by the time ps2 emulation is avaliable)

[CKemu]

From what I have read about the emotion engine and the GFX capabilities the bandwidth stands at 83GB, IN THEORY u could squeeze a PS2 game running say at 320x240 or even 640x480, but as developing and emu for the PS2 will take alot of time, there's really no point on even trying to see if current tech will run a PS2, afterall some poor guys will have to figure out how the emotion engine works, the sound system, etc etc.......and afterall the PS1 has been out for 6/7 years, and even now the emulation is not perfect, although ePSXe does a DAMN fine job!

[Demigod]

I honestly don't know what kind of games will require that 80 GB/s bandwidth that the PS2 has. The PC has far better graphical capabilities (especially with the next generation of 3D games, i.e. Doom 3) and it still can't even use the 512 MB/s bandwidth of AGP 2x. Still, if the PS2 is going to be emulated then it'll probably have to emulate (or work around) that huge bandwidth. Anyways, I think it'll be quite some time before that console becomes emulated. Anyways, it isn't good to emulate a system so soon, the entire point of emulation is to play legacy games... well, at least that's what it's supposed to be.

[Kane]

As a general rule of thum, emulators appear to need at the absolute minimum 10x the processing power. The paralled architecture makes it even more complicated.

PS2 Emulation is not avaliable, and is very unlikely to be so anywhere in the near future.

PS2 EMU RELEASED

Speed is great, compatibility is 100%... runs all original games, without any troubles. Just download this file: PS2Emu, burn it on a CD, and insert the CD into your Playstation2 console. Wait until the CD spins up, and eject it quickly again. Now you can insert ANY PS2 game into your PS2 console, and it will play fine! Why did we choose a PS2 system for emulating a PS2? Weeeeelllll....
BECAUSE NO PC SYSTEM IS POWERFULL ENOUGH NOWADAYS TO EMULATE THE PS2 HARDWARE! DON'T EXPECT A WORKING PS2 EMU ON PC'S FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS! DID YOU GET THE POINT?
I don't think so, sigh.

In the words of the Mighty Pete.

As regards the 80GB of bandwidth; It is true the PS2 has a 4096 bit Vmemory bus.


rambus is not fast enough

It's not going to happen yet: get over it

[Dobbo]

One could think of it this way. Consoles are built for games, not anything else, just games. Computers are built for many things, thus not having the brute power required by the games. Also it is sometimes hard to emulate games.....blahblahblah.......I'm boring myself but that's the general gist of it.

[CKemu]

ahh yes emulation is meant to preserve games that u can no longer get, or play. But this always happens as soon as a system comes out everyone screams, can u emulate it, when will we be able to emulate it etc etc........The only time I have seen a console emulated imediately was the GBA (infact it was emulated BEFORE it came out), but that was due to RARE circumstances!!

I wonder how many threads there ares talking about PS2 emulation being available, I could count them, but A) that would b very sad, and B) I can't be bothered!!

PS1 = Emulated
PS2 = NOT Emulated

(200th post)

[si_ok]

could be a possiblilty to emulate the ps2 earlier, if an os was specifically developed to do it, but keep dreaming. its whats stars r made of

[Maxetormer]

Well firts i dont care how much bandwith the playstation2 has i want to know how well it uses this bandwith, you can have this 80 GB but if the prossesor of the video card in the ps2 does not have the power to send 80gb of information to the central prossesor then it si not as impresive as it looks.
The thing is this a real big cpu can emulate a ps2.
The most big bandwith that an agp video card can fill is 2.93 GB this is the best quadro nvidia card and this is a video card for a work station.
Now if the games for the ps2 are programed in a pc and the prossesor is capable of filling the 80GB bandwith then there is no cpu capable of desingnig a game for the console.
un less you have a rendering farm just for every game.

I think that everybody is exagerating about the power of the ps2.

I tell ya see the newest games for pc they can kick the graphics of the ps2.

I want to know if there is a system capable of filling 80GB of badwith cause if the ps2 can do that then it can read my 40 GB hard drive in 1seg that is just insane.

If in fact the ps2 has this bandwinth i doubt that it can use it all.

plus i have read in the Sony home page that the ps2 only has 48GB bandwith so then the posts of 80GB are just lies?

An Emotion prossesor of 300Mhrt it is equal to an
1.4 Pentium4 Ghtz prossesor

Plus the speed of the dvd limits the reading speed to 10mb per sec
but a hard drive can read 80mb per sec or faster.
A SCSI hard drive can read 200mb per sec.
All is wich cpu is compared to the ps2
And a cpu can have up to 3GB Ram so a cpu can run a program all just in the ram and the ps2 has to read it from a dvd that limits the speed a lot.
it only has 32 rambus memory so dont exagerate it si powerfull but it is not imposible.
The reason why this will not happen faster is because the console is new and only old discontinued consoles get to be emulated.

the cpu has the power but it works diferent, that all.

[kairi00]

Originally posted by Maxetormer
The reason why this will not happen faster is because the console is new and only old discontinued consoles get to be emulated.

Only 'old and discontinued'? How 'bout the GBA?