Modded Xbox banned from Live Service

[zero0w]

It seems like MS got it "done" this time. According to a posting at *removed*, MS is attempting to detect mod chips when users connect, then placing them on a banned list - forever.

Hmm, it looks like the TCPA and Palladium will be there for real, Xbox Live service is just demonstrating the "possiblity" MS can pull off.

Source : The Register

[sniff_381]

you know... why is it that I'm not banned yet??? even I connected with my console three times(I just bought my Xbox this october)...

[Ninjaa]

Heh. I'll be laughing like hell when this one blows up in their face and some hack allows people back online anyway.

[zero0w]

See this discussion at the official Xbox online forum.
http://forums.xbox.com/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=223932

Ninja: You're right, someone is trying to figure to get around that, but there are certain functions still cripped.... and again it's a cat and mouse game.

[Ninjaa]

Heh. Thanks for the link. These guys are hilarious.

Don't mod the d*mn thing in the first place...Why do people do stuff like that? Xbox is tehe best anyway so why bother moding it???

Ms is the ***** i love you ms.... die faggots who like to cheat bill gates out of his money... lol actually bill gates you dont need more money. GIVE ME IT!!

1) No they are not 100% legal when your main purpose to mod the XBOX is to make pirated software with the intent to sell or distribute software therefore using the machine for ILLEGAL pourpose.

2) Hackers will not win this one because in case you have not heard this is encrypted with a military grade hackproof system granted that can most likely be hacked, but if so would you want to be the person responsible for hacking into something this calliber to face fines and jail just so you can cheat your way into a video gaming community?

3) Is an XBOX modder going to want to keep buying XBOX's left and right to see if thier hack worked only to get banned over and over and buy the time hes spent $3000 on xbox's WILL IT HAVE BEEN WORTH IT?

4) Hackers are too dumb to keep quiet about thier success and you think MS wont notice that they posted HACK websites?

5) Last I hope modders realize this, but in MS they have hired some of the worlds top hackers to improve on what MS needs to do to be safe from theses silly hackers and these are the ones taht made the anti-mod software to detect all these other mods.

I am personally glad MS is doing this we catch you and your banned first time thing. If you have to mod to look cool to your friends or whatever stay away from the people who enjoy the game for what it is!

I love watching Xbox guys go at it... It's hilarious.

[campi]

They sure do make ppl laugh , anyway there will always be someone that will understand that asa challange and at some point hack it, so maybe M$ should give, they have all the money in the world what the heck do they need more of it , and there will always be ppl that like playing original games (I'm not one of them )

[Kirby]

Originally posted by campi
they have all the money in the world what the heck do they need more of it

Same reason why Microsoft put that activation on WinXP and OfficeXP, they want all the damn money for themselves.

[zero0w]

they want all the damn money for themselves.

This technology can give them ability to raise prices further => if you bootleg, we can deactive you.

[Kirby]

Originally posted by zero0w
if you bootleg, we can deactive you.

I oppose bootleging

[zero0w]

I oppose bootleging

I oppose it too, and I don't use bootleg anymore.

Now the problem is, how much can you charge if you have a monopoly?

[Kirby]

Originally posted by zero0w


I oppose it too, and I don't use bootleg anymore.

Now the problem is, how much can you charge if you have a monopoly?

If it wasn't for all these companies making Windows products, I would be at Linux or BeOS right now.

It seems that the big anti-trust lawsuit didn't change Microsoft a whole lot. Service Pack 1 allows Windows Messenger to be blocked off, but it still runs when starting up Outlook Express.

[mattybones]

hey its a smart move by microsoft, in fact its about the smartest thing they have done in this past year

[dn]

Smart ? They are going to lose alot of possible sales, made by people wanting to play imports (they do exist ) Microsoft and "smart decisions" don't really go well together in my history with them. OS wise NT and 2000 are the only ones useable for any length of time, and console wise, well XBox is their first outing and it has .. well .. blown up in their face. They expected to be able to walse in and own the gaming industry too, but it didn't work (yet?) thankfully.

Banning people with modded consoles in generally not a smart move. There are millions of people who resent M$ and their only goal is to put M$ down. All these anti-piracy things they keep trying out will not work forever IMHO. Sony released a new CD technology to stop any duplication of the CD content, yet all it took was a single marker or piece of tape to banish millions of $$ in techonology

[Betamax]

Also I would expect that some unmodded xbox owners wouldn't be comfortable with the proposition that m$ can uniquly identify them either. Assuming that this online system is not free (a likely situation). It could cause the whole online gaming venture to blow up in their face.

[mattybones]

dixon sorry to tell you but if this isn't a smart move....then m$ hasen't been smart since the release of win98!!!

I'm sure you all read the fine print when you buy these consoles and purchase this software.

Even Sony and Nintendo have them, They don't have to officially support any product that you have made modifications too.

It's a service provided to you from microsoft, But somehow I doubt people actually read This. But actually reading a EULA could save people a lot of heart ache and problems paticularly when it involves your money.

7. SERVICE OPERATION AND EQUIPMENT
Xbox Live may only be accessed with an unmodified, except for Microsoft authorized repairs and upgrades, Xbox video game console. Any attempt to disassemble, decompile, create derivative works of, reverse engineer, modify, further sublicense, distribute or use for other purposes either the hardware or software of this system, is strictly prohibited and may result in termination of your account and/or your ability to access Xbox Live via your Xbox, and the pursuit of other legal remedies by Microsoft. Microsoft may take any legal action it deems appropriate against users who violate Microsoft's systems or network security, and such users may also incur criminal and/or civil liability.

Microsoft reserves complete and sole discretion with respect to the operation of Xbox Live. Microsoft may, among other things: (a) restrict or limit access to Xbox Live; (b) retrieve information from the Xbox used to log onto Xbox Live as necessary to operate and protect the security of Xbox Live, and to enforce this Agreement and (c) upgrade, modify, withdraw, suspend, or discontinue any functionality or feature of Xbox Live or any game from time to time without notice, which may involve the automatic download of related software directly to your Xbox video game console, and which software may prevent your Xbox from accessing Xbox Live. Microsoft has no obligation to maintain any content or services, and has no responsibility or liability for the deletion, loss, corruption or failure to store any messages, software or other information or content maintained or transmitted by or through Xbox Live.

[Syed Fawad]

This is an excellent thing to be implemented and a great step to eliminate piracy. Even I doon't mind if M$ does it.

The problem is that they are doing it with the XXXBOX, which is already suffering from the competition. It'll cut the XXXBOX sales for SURE!. BAD MOVE!

[Drack]

Its kind of dumb that even if you unmod your Xbox you still can't login to Live. I guess thats because of BIOS changes, but they should have put a counter-measure around that.

Kirby, maybe one of the reasons tha MS is doing things like this, is because they were aquitted in the Anti-Trust Lawsuit. Basically, the USA lost and MS won. So now they feel that they can pretty much act w/impunity and that they don't have to worry about the justice system anymore (and from the way things went for them in court, I'd say they were right).
The activation/registation is only on WIN XP Home, it is not on WIN XP Pro. I have WIN XP Pro on both my Desktop and Laptop PCs and I have never had to activate or register it and yes, it is a Legal Copy. I, like you, Kirby, do not approve of bootlegging or piracy of any kind.
sincerely,
sx/amiga

[Kane]

That's not true sxAmiga. If you use the CD key youu get given it does ask to activate (I own WinXP Pro), but you can use the corporate CD key to install it withut having to worry about activation, which is what I did.
Once XP was installed, I reinputted my old key then upgraded to SP1