MAME drama: Haze leaving

[Xblade]

Originally Posted by cottonvibes

how does justifying myself help me learn?
in the above example i told you about, i felt like i helped the other guy learn a lot; but i didn't learn a thing.
(which is why i eventually blocked contact with him, and coded the thing myself without the 'troll' bothering me)

Elitist people usually get the clue when you bash their face in.
Believe me I've tried and now the person is a lot nicer to me because I confirmed my equality and destroyed his superiority complex.

Offff course.........its really not a good idea to do that, and usually its not possible to bash the persons face in. So you should confront them about their stupidity, and if they don't comply......

Get over it because they ain't worth your time and you should recommend they see a counselor before they are allowed back on the internet.

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Originally Posted by Sonic2036

the PS3 needs to be a little more slimer??? the way I see it , its as big as a laptop lol
i remember psp slime was more slimey

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Originally Posted by Xblade

Elitist people usually get the clue when you bash their face in.
Believe me I've tried and now the person is a lot nicer to me because I confirmed my equality and destroyed his superiority complex.

Offff course.........its really not a good idea to do that, and usually its not possible to bash the persons face in. So you should confront them about their stupidity, and if they don't comply......

Get over it because they ain't worth your time and you should recommend they see a counselor before they are allowed back on the internet.

I think the elitist term is being used differently by different people. You need to differentiate between people that know what they are talking about and know it & people who think they know what they are talking about. From the outside they appear the same as they both believe they are right.

Obviously you have to use your own judgement to figure that out, sometimes you'll listen and you shouldn't have and other times you won't listen when you should. It's harder when it's someone like your boss that is telling you how to do something, you have to make sure you pull it off when you ignore them.

It's more difficult to learn from someone who isn't really sure if they are right, because their arguments will be too weak. If you don't challenge them, to help them find a better argument then it's no different to working in a vacuum.

People who get so upset that they consider violence when a complete stranger gives them their opinion on the internet, should probably seek help too.

[Paratech]

SMF Can you please say why the Nintendo code was added to the source, like Mario Kart for example? Wasn't that screaming "we dare you to sue MAME Nintendo?"

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[Xblade]

Originally Posted by smf

I think the elitist term is being used differently by different people. You need to differentiate between people that know what they are talking about and know it & people who think they know what they are talking about. From the outside they appear the same as they both believe they are right.

Obviously you have to use your own judgement to figure that out, sometimes you'll listen and you shouldn't have and other times you won't listen when you should. It's harder when it's someone like your boss that is telling you how to do something, you have to make sure you pull it off when you ignore them.

It's more difficult to learn from someone who isn't really sure if they are right, because their arguments will be too weak. If you don't challenge them, to help them find a better argument then it's no different to working in a vacuum.

People who get so upset that they consider violence when a complete stranger gives them their opinion on the internet, should probably seek help too.

Apparently your talking about a completely different set of arrogance.
I wouldn't be caught dead learning something from an arrogant prick.
So that post is null to me.

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Originally Posted by Sonic2036

the PS3 needs to be a little more slimer??? the way I see it , its as big as a laptop lol
i remember psp slime was more slimey

V
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Originally Posted by Xblade

Apparently your talking about a completely different set of arrogance.
I wouldn't be caught dead learning something from an arrogant prick.
So that post is null to me.

If I'm talking about a different type of arrogance, then you'll have to let me know which you are referring to. There are two & I can't guess which is the other. From the context of the thread, I would say we are talking about people who do know what they are talking about as it was aimed at the MAME Team. I think we've got people who clearly know a thing or two.

Your statement sounds rather arrogant. The more insulting you are to people, the worse it makes you look.

Originally Posted by Paratech

SMF Can you please say why the Nintendo code was added to the source, like Mario Kart for example? Wasn't that screaming "we dare you to sue MAME Nintendo?"

Not really. Someone copy & pasted guru's triforce readme into the source, which just happened to include a des key. MAME has other decryption keys in it.

[Paratech]

Originally Posted by smf

Not really. Someone copy & pasted guru's triforce readme into the source, which just happened to include a des key. MAME has other decryption keys in it.

But isn't it dangerous to take risks with Nintendo's IP? I remember a certain Japanese only game was removed due to the company asking it be removed and 3 years later it was quietly added with no comments made.

Nintendo would love a reason to go after MAME, why taunt them by adding a security code that might enable people to bootleg a game like Mario Kart?

Wasn't the CPS2 mess with great numbers of CPS2 boards converted into Hyper Street Fighter a lesson about that junk?

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[cottonvibes]

Originally Posted by Paratech

Add to that once dumped the games lose their value. Once games can be played in MAME, the original PCBs often drop dramatically in price.

i wonder if that's a good or bad thing.

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[mamefan]

But isn't it dangerous to take risks with Nintendo's IP?

I doubt though a key in itself is illegal..After all, its just a hexadecimal hash. Like the magic dword constants for MD5, SHA1, and other hash methods. And the decryption keys for AACS.

[O. Galibert]

Originally Posted by mamefan

I doubt though a key in itself is illegal..After all, its just a hexadecimal hash. Like the magic dword constants for MD5, SHA1, and other hash methods. And the decryption keys for AACS.

A key is illegal. A magic constant for a hash isn't. Even if the actual value is the same. Law isn't math. It's not the value that is protected, it's the knowledge of the value in the context of its use. Check the "access protection" provisions of the DMCA or is equivalent in your local law (it's a WIPO treaty initially).

OG.

[mamefan]

A key is illegal. A magic constant for a hash isn't. Even if the actual value is the same. Law isn't math. It's not the value that is protected, it's the knowledge of the value in the context of its use. Check the "access protection" provisions of the DMCA or is equivalent in your local law (it's a WIPO treaty initially).

So now its illegal according to the context. I have to wonder then why the heck these things are in MAME anyway. Can't people get thier own decrypt keys and code them in?

No wonder MAME is corrupt:

* distributing decryption keys
* idiots like *** justifying how they act towards others because of thier "reputation"
* ROM dumps sanctioned by the Guru
* the insane rules that Haze described.
* devs expecting people getting things right the first time or they can GTFO (is there such thing as mistakes or people not allowed to make them)

I agree with everything Haze said, MAME is corrupt and should die >.>

[Super Nest]

Originally Posted by mamefan

I agree with everything Haze said, MAME is corrupt and should die >.>

Yeah, let's kill MAME. After all there's lots of emulators to choose which run thousands of arcade games almost flaweless!

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[mamefan]

Yes, the mamewhores shall die! Afterall, its them who came up with this driver model, which is just a symbol of thier arrogancy, all the convolted rules of development, plus loads other things where MAME fell off its wheels, and the Joker got away. :P

[Silenus]

Guys please stop ruining this thread.

This is really an interesting topic.

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[Squall-Leonhart]

We aren't ruining the thread. We're very much on topic.

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[Silenus]

The thing is that I like that this topics are brought in here and give them a chance to defend themselves.

Not like we are close minded and one sided.

Calling out names will just scare people that might give some reason on their work ethics.

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mamedevs are ****y, arrogant, ****s :P, we can name as many as we wanted to, and that won't change.

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[LensLarque]

Originally Posted by Paratech

Add to that once dumped the games lose their value. Once games can be played in MAME, the original PCBs often drop dramatically in price.

Not really 'often' if I may... arcade freaks know very well that Mame isn't faithful enough to provide a gaming experience similar, or close enough, to the real thing.
I'd dare say that Mame's influence on pcbs prices is quite low.
Actually, a good console port can be more harmful to the pcb's value.

But at the same time I think Mame brought some games such as Cave's to be so popular that it helped keep the prices terribly high even for some older titles such as DDP or Guwange.

Mame isn't enough for arcade lovers, but it helped in preserving some enthusiasm for this fundamental branch of the video game world IMO.

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[Paratech]

While I understand that the arcade version is better, I don't see myself playing Chinese Hero on a real arcade machine any time soon, there just aren't any of the many arcade games I like around to be played.

Still I have on my "bucket list" the plan to get a Jamma to TV setup and to hook it up with a 1 slot Neo Geo board and to play the 7 Neo Geo games (AOF/AOF2/KOF94/KOF95/LB/SS/SS3) I own on it someday....

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[LensLarque]

Yes it's not like everybody wants to play on the real hardware after seeing Mame, but games that require precise timing (fighting, shmups, or even puzzle) or simply don't look realistic when emulated, push some people to buy pcbs.
That's why I think Mame in some ways helps keeping prices high.

For your MVS stuff, try something like a Vogatek mkIII supergun if you're not afraid of wiring the thing yourself, it's dirt cheap and does as well as the real thing.

But if you want some 'deluxe' stuff, try some Sigma Raijin or Vega Junior.
Hope you got an rgb or at least S-Video monitor/tv...
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Back on topic, my personal opinion is that what's making Mame different from other emus, is that the devs aren't close enough to the users. I've always felt a huge distance between them and gamers, something I do not feel when I come on other emulation forums like this one.
Listening to what users think about your work, having the patience to answer their questions and requests (stupid or not) makes a good emulator and good forums imo.
That's what happens most of the time... but not with Mame.
Communication with Mame's developers and staff is like talking to a private company: obscure and unfriendly.
Whenever the conversation comes to something they don't like or is against their rigid 'policy', you get some kind of black out.

So who cares if they have a fight together ?

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