Beta 2 and 3 running slow on Win x64

[AtomicBolt]

I got all hyped up when I read that SSBM is now playable with 100% speed, so I decided to make use of my Athlon64, installed WindowsXP x64 Prof, installed drivers, DirectX and all that crap, and then I downloaded the 'new' dolphin releases.

In Beta 3 Dolphin just crashes when I try to run it with dynarec activated. Without dynarec, it goes ingame to about 10fps. In Beta 2 it goes a bit faster. Dolphin doesn't crash for me when I activate dynarec in Beta 2. However, it is still very slow, and it has many graphic glitches, like the black underground. But the screenshots I saw looked a little bit much different.

My specs:
AMD Athlon64 3200+
2GB RAM
ATI Radeon 1950Pro 512MB [AGP]

What's going on here? I have no clue why it isn't working as it should...please help me out!

[tuanming]

Does your cpu support SSE2 and dual core? Don't expect other games to be as fast as SSBM.

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[AtomicBolt]

No dual core, but I think SSE2.

[Thundercracker]

I agree with everything atomic said, it's not very fast and is very unstable.

[AtomicBolt]

Well it IS stable..just too slow. And graphic glitches.

[Thundercracker]

Originally Posted by AtomicBolt

In Beta 3 Dolphin just crashes when I try to run it with dynarec

Originally Posted by AtomicBolt

Well it IS stable

[S.SubZero]

I played a little SSBM on my XP64 desktop yesterday and it was fairly stable. The sound was really off and it played too choppy to really figure out what was going on, but it played.

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[AtomicBolt]

Originally Posted by Thundercracker

If I disable dynarec, it never crashes.

[Pablo Olmos]

¿Mortal Kombat Deadly Alliance walks at a decent speed with the new version of this emulator?

[AtomicBolt]

Good lord Pablo all you do is asking about Mortal Kombat! Cut it out already! This thread has absolutely nothing to do with Mortal Kombat, just like most of the other threads you replied with that kinda answer.


Jeez..strange people are walking around here..

[NexXxus]

maybe he just don't want to open a new thread?
i cannot say about mortal combat because i don't have it.

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[hogonosama]

hey dolphin is alive??? where i can found the open source of dolphin ??please can somebody send me a link of the code source or open source?

[Thundercracker]

There is no open source. They put too much time into this project to just give it away to fools to mangle.

[crhylove]

Mangle....Or actually make more games work, etc..... /me ducks. Seriously, FOSS IS the future of software. That much should be patently obvious by now. But I think we are getting OT.

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[moejama]

Open source, like most things in life, is good for some things and not for others.

Many end users have the simplistic view that all software should be made for free by the code elves.

If you stopped and thought about your comments you'd come to the logic paradox of quality vs cost.

The reality is, the average earth inhabitant is not mathematically inclined enough to write quality code, yet the amount of people using computers is going up exponentially. Oddly the rate of new computer science grads is going down, especially here in good ol creationist USA.

Since games and many popular apps can no longer be coded by a small group of people the real limitations of Open Source become clear.

Look around, there are no more dead end projects than in the open source community.

Even Linux development is very chaotic and slow. The real advantage to open source is NOT that it's free, it's that the development team OWN their product instead of it being owned by some for profit model in which the product MUST be retired and a new product sold. Subscription is the wave of the future for software, especially software that is pirated a lot.

In the future is will be harder to pirate games and apps because for the sake of centralized management and profit subscribed content makes a lot more sense.

As apps get more complicated, programming languages get simpler and the average programmers gets dumber. Teaching languages like Java for instance, while great for object oriented learning higher level languages just don't get the programmer close enough to the code at the vital foundation of basic booleen logic, memory addresses and basic mathematical problem solving.

In any case the observed fact is a drop off in the amount of people seeking Computer Science and this drop off does not represent market demand, which is why we have so many foreign programmers. The fact is, Americans in general suck at math but we are the central source of software development in the world.

Games are simply not going to go open source because they require so many man hours of art content, much more than the programming, you can't get massive amounts of decent art for free and a small team will just never finish their game, which is the fate of most open source projects.

Emulators are a good example. Even the popular ones are really not being actively developed. These things come in opportunistic trends, for instance the boom of 3D graphics cards on the PC made emulators practical and launched the largest boom of projects, but times change and for the cost consoles have more polygon power than they used to. So, emulation is now much less possible as consoles outperform PC's costing 3 times as much.

Xbox 360 has the right approach and all other consoles will follow to become more PC compliant AND the need for emulators will be gone. Nintendo and Sony can't compete in the long run against a platform like the Xbox because it draws so many more developers and ports perfectly. It's just idiotic to develop your games on a proprietary platform like Sony and then have to jump through hoops to port it PLUS you have to develop all your own proprietary playstation development tools instead of selecting from a wide variety of the amazingly expansive PC development tools. Overall processing power is NOTHING compared to and endless surplus of games. The Wii is proving that readily.

Plus open source is now experiencing the new problem is being far too open.
Say the guys for Dolphin open source it, which they should because it has no commercial use. However, if it did, wealthy company X can just steal it out from under them, slap some fancy graphics on it think of a better name, purchase a few hundred thousand of dollars in advertising and POOF they now OWN dolphin without paying the creators a dime because corporations can either buy out an open source project easily or just steal it.

For instance, say Linux displaced MS as a major OS (which it will never do). Well, the problem with open source, as MS will show you is that MS can benefit from it just as much or MORE than anyone. Whoever has the giant wad of money can take an open source idea and brand it their own.
MS can port .NET to MS Linux then they could run ALL the Linux programs, offer all the developments of the Linux community AND offer proprietary .NET support in their Linux distro only.

Then just to make it truly apparent how easy it is to monopolize open source, they can further destroy Linux competition by porting DX to their MS Linux.
They can even call it Windows 2010 because its open source.

This is why you have the split in the open source community. The realization that you must have ownership of your product is becoming apparent.

I think what you want is simply more programs being supported by advertising because that's the only practical way to offer endless free software.
It's basically a waste of time to make free software which will be used by yoru competition to displace you. Look at Xerox... do you think, in hindsight, they are happy they GAVE the invention of Graphics User Interface to Apple and MS. It's only the foundation of modern computing and it was entirely their idea and now they have zero say in anything.

Dolphin could open source, but most programs are better off owned by passionate developers or PUT TO REST. Open source tends to go on forever under the delusion that it's still a viable product and with the momentum of a community of vision less developers simply glad to be part of something other than LAN parties :P

If you think all software should be free how do you propose we convince programmers they don't need money or food or shelter and that all their years of education are best spent slaving over free software. Even if it's a side project if you don't find some eventual profit in it, chances are it's doomed.
Even Linux had to start charging for the OS and apps.

Open source is just a trend represented by the immature face of computer software. It exists sheerly out of utilitarian need not out of commercial viability. Just because software is easy to pirate doesn't mean it has no value, but mindsets like ALL SOFTWARE SHOULD BE OPEN SOURCE, are leading to lower quality software produced as fast as possible in order to compete in a rather cut throat market.

NOW, if the state of software was pretty good I wouldn't complain, but it's not and open source is among the slowest and lowest quality development around. Certainly if the world government collapse, open source will be a nice public owned resource, but in the face of superior commercial solutions it's usually a step backward.

By biggest concern is our reliance on rapid application development software leading to increased bloatware. Making programs for free only means the rest of the software industry has to rush and cut corners even more.

If we were smart we'd hold careers to some priority of importance. The reality being that the world needs MUCH better software than it currently has and much less investments in ineffective business management. STOP paying CEO's 20 million and start paying your programmers and design team to make quality software. How many billion richer would MS be if the development team and management hadn't blundered Vista.

The other important thing to realize is that software is already dirt cheap, if you pirate it and demand free software the ONLY outcome must be lower quality software. Plus you're helping export programming jobs to developing nations when America needs them by supporting socialized software from your capitalist nation.

Considering we are the biggest software developer in the world... that's lost tax revenue worldwide from piracy and open source projects which offer little long term viability. Products like Open Office have no definitive lifespan other than you can keep using it until it's entirely useless. The fact is, once again, Open Office is vastly inferior to Office and has been in development for what.. a decade. It's just not changing, the badly managed state of Linux is not changing, and why should it Mac has more or less displaced any need for a Linux desktop, they have a better interface, gaming support and a real brand name.

Of all the things we should be putting on the list of stuff that we can have so little interest in that it should be free, programming should not be one of them. Free means it's not worth your time to make. Money is representative of energy put into a project. Just because software is easy to copy doesn't mean you should give it away for free. If we pay programmers, they will write better programs, if we don't they will write worse programs. That's just human nature, people do a better job when they get paid.

So at the very least open source should think of becoming more like owned by it's community of developers, not just out there for whoever wants to take your work. In todays economy it just can't work. As soon as Linux gets good enough MS can do to it what Mac did to BSD... own it. Same goes for most any open source project. Even if they have to re-write your code they can and what will you do, hire a team of lawyers bigger than their team of layers.

Open source just delays the eventual corporate ownership it doesn't prevent it and in a time of severe corporate monopolies I don't think giving them free work is very bright. MS has .NET ready to go crossplatform, they've likely come to all these conclusions and decided that they should be ready at any point to go cross platform and potentially just to a new kernel. Office will be .NET and like java it can be made to run on any hardware. Then all the win32 software will just flood the other platforms. The real power is in the developers and not the open source ones, but the ones putting in 8 hours every day to pay their rent. Now of course many of them are doing open source on the side, but OH WELL for them, chances are you could be spending that time making a much easier product and getting paid and then maybe you could afford to only work 4 hours a day AND work on your freebie projects.

If we lived in a communist society open source would be a great way to undermine the capitalist pigs. Just think of it like this, your interested in emulators... why do emulators exist... because people wanted free emulators ? NO... actually they exist because SO many awesome developers made so many awesome console games that there is value in making an emulator.

There is no reason to not put ads into your program other than you can't find a sponsor that pays enough. ANY DAY I'd rather have a ad powered app that I know is making money and has a future and is getting some hard working programmer paid. I think open source makes sense at the END of products lifespan and many great games have benefited the community by going open source WELL after they made their profit.

In any case, all those ROMs wouldn't exist in a open source market, people can't spend that level of time on free software.

So it's kind of ironic, wanting your emulator to be open source, when all your ROMs are illegal representations of stolen work. Maybe your guilt drives your need for open source :P

However, I do fully support that Dolphin may as well be open source as it will never be a commercially useful product and well it still needs a ton of work. Plus it's not like there will be a high demand for GameCube emulators. There just wasn't a lot of great games for than console, they are hard to find ROMS,
and you could just BUY the damn thing pretty cheap and save yourself hours of messing with Dolphin. Soooooo, of all the emulators, Gamecube has to be one of the least demanded and that further supports releasing it open source.
In this case hopefully a wealthy developer would steal it and put work into it but thats because it's mostly a dead project like almost all emulators.

[refraction]

okay was there REALLY a need for all that copy and pasting? you only needed the last sentence, which i believe you wrote yourself, we all know the deal with open source.

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[AtomicBolt]

So...after months of being afk in here, I want to ask about it again:
Could it be slow because I don't have a dual core cpu?

I have a Wii by now..but I'd like to know the reason for the bad performance on my pc anyways. Since PCSX2 is running pretty slow too, I guess it's cause of no dual core..but I don't know.

[DarkSchneider]

Yes you should at least have a Dual Core to emulate games of the "newer" generation.

[Hemi3]

I hear the gekko GC emulator is making great strides in speeds with only a single core cpu. It just depends on the coder and the code in place.