OpenCl doesn't work

Dizzee · October 16th, 2009

DX with OpenCl doesn't work for me, when the game launches I'm getting a bunch of errors :
"Failed to Create Device Group", "Error queueing kernel".
The game that I am trying to play is Naruto Gekitou Ninja taisen 4.
Same errors messages appears with OpenGL.
Using SVN4428, driver version - 190.89.
Does OpenCL only works with newer video cards ?

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GameCube/Wii ------ Dolphin

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Playstation 2 ------- PCSX2

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Last edited by Dizzee; October 16th, 2009 at 18:09..

makotech222 · October 16th, 2009

Geforce 6200 128 MB
Thats why it doesnt work. need an 8 series at t he lease

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ChronoBodi · October 16th, 2009

yea, that's one old-ass computer...

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TheExAm · October 16th, 2009

I visit this forum every now and then to check up on this project. I haven't been here in a few weeks, what is this OpenCL stuff, anyhow? From what I gather it works similarly to CUDA, but what does this mean for dolphin?

ChronoBodi · October 16th, 2009

It's like CUDA, but it's open-source for anyone to use, i think...

basically, it makes the GPU take some of the work off the CPU itself, which really helps when it comes to cpu-intensive stuff like video-editing... as for dolphin, if there's a way to implement some sort of openCL, our CPUs wouldn't be at 100% workload the whole time, or something like that...

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partypooper · October 17th, 2009

I tryed the OpenCL plugins last night on my Pc (3800x2-GTS250) REzero is still slow as hell cant even run the title menu at 100%...

Zelda TP seems about the same ,very slow in big village

But This is def a good step forward

,if my gfx card can help more with dolphin cause my cpu just cant do it

TheExAm · October 18th, 2009

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Originally Posted by ChronoBodi

It's like CUDA, but it's open-source for anyone to use, i think...

basically, it makes the GPU take some of the work off the CPU itself, which really helps when it comes to cpu-intensive stuff like video-editing... as for dolphin, if there's a way to implement some sort of openCL, our CPUs wouldn't be at 100% workload the whole time, or something like that...

So, in effect it's an ad-hoc form of GPU acceleration.

Nintendo Maniac · October 19th, 2009

Whoa wait, since when does Dolphin support OpenCL?! Dang, you realize this is one of if not THE first public non-Mac app that uses it?

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Squall-Leonhart · 4 Weeks Ago

CUDA < is an open standard, anybody can addend to it, and anyone can use it, as long as they pay nvidia a small licensing fee.

That ATI couldn't cough up the fee and support it on ATI, was a poor move, especially since CUDA development will always move faster then OpenCL.

OpenCL and CUDA will never be efficient on Geforce 280 and lower chips as the task switcher is not designed to allow for fast switching between gfx and cuda functions.

Nvidia Fermi might provide more of an improvement.

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Gareth1977 · 4 Weeks Ago

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Originally Posted by Squall-Leonhart

OpenCL and CUDA will never be efficient on Geforce 280 and lower chips as the task switcher is not designed to allow for fast switching between gfx and cuda functions.

Yeah i would agree with that, OpenCL actually seems to make Dolphin performance worse, at least in my case. And thats with a GF 260

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ChronoBodi · 4 Weeks Ago

i see... and what about CUDA support?

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Nintendo Maniac · 4 Weeks Ago

CUDA support is stupid for the long run, both intel and ATI do not support it. Contrary to what Squall-Leonhart says, CUDA is NOT an open-standard. It may be freeware, but it is definitely proprietary Nvidia technology. Because of that, it would also make little business sense for both ATI and Intel to support it, which would essentially be giving control to Nvidia.

Also, unlike CUDA, one of the many benefits of OpenCL is that it can be run on multi-core CPUs instead of a GPU. So if you've got one of those 8-thread Intel i7 CPUs, you would be able to offload the OpenCL code to the rest of your idleing cores and threads if maybe your GPU isn't up to snuff or it's too old to run OpenCL code. (though I'm pretty sure dolphin doesn't support CPU OpenCL currently)

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Squall-Leonhart · 4 Weeks Ago

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Originally Posted by Nintendo Maniac

CUDA support is stupid for the long run, both intel and ATI do not support it. Contrary to what Squall-Leonhart says, CUDA is NOT an open-standard. It may be freeware, but it is definitely proprietary Nvidia technology. Because of that, it would also make little business sense for both ATI and Intel to support it, which would essentially be giving control to Nvidia.

Also, unlike CUDA, one of the many benefits of OpenCL is that it can be run on multi-core CPUs instead of a GPU. So if you've got one of those 8-thread Intel i7 CPUs, you would be able to offload the OpenCL code to the rest of your idleing cores and threads if maybe your GPU isn't up to snuff or it's too old to run OpenCL code. (though I'm pretty sure dolphin doesn't support CPU OpenCL currently)

But then theres no point at all, a cpu already does C, so what point is there of using openCL.

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Nintendo Maniac · 4 Weeks Ago

You missed the part about using idling threads - Dolphin currently only uses 2. Instead of putting some of that load on the GPU, you could instead put it onto your other idling CPU threads. Obviously it'd be better to use the GPU, but not everyone has an OpenCL-supporting GPU, so this would work as a "Plan B".

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Squall-Leonhart · 4 Weeks Ago

You missed the point.

if the cpu is already capable of C, why bother running openCL in software form on a cpu.

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Nintendo Maniac · 4 Weeks Ago

You missed the point again.

Dolphin with plain C is coded to use only 2 threads, plain and simple. OpenCL however can take advantage of as many threads as available. Therefore, if you have a CPU with more than 2 cores, the OpenCL portion could be offloaded to the rest of your CPU.

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Squall-Leonhart · 4 Weeks Ago

There is only so many threads you can use before you run into costly synchronisation faults.

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Nintendo Maniac · 4 Weeks Ago

Even with OpenCL? O RLY? - YouTube - OpenCL for CPU Scales Applications Easily on Four Six-Core AMD Opteron Processors

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Squall-Leonhart · 4 Weeks Ago

Those applications don't require intricate thread synching to maintain proper low level timings.

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October 16th, 2009	#1 (permalink)
Dizzee Emulation Fan Join Date: May 2008 Location: Lithuania Posts: 69	OpenCl doesn't work DX with OpenCl doesn't work for me, when the game launches I'm getting a bunch of errors : "Failed to Create Device Group", "Error queueing kernel". The game that I am trying to play is Naruto Gekitou Ninja taisen 4. Same errors messages appears with OpenGL. Using SVN4428, driver version - 190.89. Does OpenCL only works with newer video cards ? __________________ PC SPECS : Intel Celeron 2.4 GHz 1.25 GB of RAM Geforce 6200 128 MB I know, it's s*t . TESTED EMULATORS : [Console] --------- [Emulator/Emulation speed] Nintendo 64 -------- Project64 (FULL) ,1964 (FULL). GBA ---------------- Visual Boy Advance (FULL). Nintendo NES ------- VirtuaNES (FULL). Playstation --------- ePSXe (FULL) , PSXeven (FULL). Dreamcast --------- Chankast (BELOW NORMAL). Nintendo DS -------- NO$GBA (BELOW NORMAL). GameCube/Wii ------ Dolphin (LOW). Playstation 2 ------- PCSX2 (LOW). Last edited by Dizzee; October 16th, 2009 at 18:09..*

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October 16th, 2009	#3 (permalink)
ChronoBodi Registered User Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: usa/ny Posts: 89	yea, that's one old-ass computer... __________________ Click here to level up my card! My PC + Macbook Pro Desktop Phenom II x3 720 BE at 3.4 Ghz GTX 260 (216) with 896 MB OCed 4 GB GSkill DDR3 Laptop Macbook Pro on Boot Camp: Window 7 64-bit Premium 2.8 Ghz Core 2 Duo T9600 (OCed to 3.06) 4 GB DDR3 Kingston Nvidia 9600m GT OCed with 512 MB

October 16th, 2009	#4 (permalink)
TheExAm Stupid Newbie Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: California Posts: 17	I visit this forum every now and then to check up on this project. I haven't been here in a few weeks, what is this OpenCL stuff, anyhow? From what I gather it works similarly to CUDA, but what does this mean for dolphin?

October 16th, 2009	#5 (permalink)
ChronoBodi Registered User Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: usa/ny Posts: 89	It's like CUDA, but it's open-source for anyone to use, i think... basically, it makes the GPU take some of the work off the CPU itself, which really helps when it comes to cpu-intensive stuff like video-editing... as for dolphin, if there's a way to implement some sort of openCL, our CPUs wouldn't be at 100% workload the whole time, or something like that... __________________ Click here to level up my card! My PC + Macbook Pro Desktop Phenom II x3 720 BE at 3.4 Ghz GTX 260 (216) with 896 MB OCed 4 GB GSkill DDR3 Laptop Macbook Pro on Boot Camp: Window 7 64-bit Premium 2.8 Ghz Core 2 Duo T9600 (OCed to 3.06) 4 GB DDR3 Kingston Nvidia 9600m GT OCed with 512 MB

October 17th, 2009	#6 (permalink)
partypooper Registered User Join Date: May 2009 Location: iran Posts: 58	I tryed the OpenCL plugins last night on my Pc (3800x2-GTS250) REzero is still slow as hell cant even run the title menu at 100%... Zelda TP seems about the same ,very slow in big village But This is def a good step forward ,if my gfx card can help more with dolphin cause my cpu just cant do it

October 19th, 2009	#8 (permalink)
Nintendo Maniac Registered User Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Northeast Ohio Posts: 108	Whoa wait, since when does Dolphin support OpenCL?! Dang, you realize this is one of if not THE first public non-Mac app that uses it? __________________ CPU: Athlon XP 2100+ OC'd @ 2GHz (lacks support for SSE2) GPU: Radeon 9600 256MB AGP OC'd @ 420 core : 200 mem RAM: 512MB DDR + 256MB DDR OS: Windows XP Pro SP3

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Squall-Leonhart Behind ur girlfriend :D Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 18,884	CUDA < is an open standard, anybody can addend to it, and anyone can use it, as long as they pay nvidia a small licensing fee. That ATI couldn't cough up the fee and support it on ATI, was a poor move, especially since CUDA development will always move faster then OpenCL. OpenCL and CUDA will never be efficient on Geforce 280 and lower chips as the task switcher is not designed to allow for fast switching between gfx and cuda functions. Nvidia Fermi might provide more of an improvement. __________________ VBA-M \| Xtemu \| NGOHQ \| Post Impact Productions \| TNHW \| XBCD 0.2.6 \| Satanic666's Emulator Compiles Don't be a NOOB, READ THE NGEmu/EmuForums Rules of Conduct Need Help with ePSXe? This is your first stop!. If you don't post all the required information, you don't get help. Everytime someone posts a romsite, God kills a beautiful woman. Last edited by Squall-Leonhart; 4 Weeks Ago at 13:44.. Reason: Automerged Doublepost

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ChronoBodi Registered User Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: usa/ny Posts: 89	i see... and what about CUDA support? __________________ Click here to level up my card! My PC + Macbook Pro Desktop Phenom II x3 720 BE at 3.4 Ghz GTX 260 (216) with 896 MB OCed 4 GB GSkill DDR3 Laptop Macbook Pro on Boot Camp: Window 7 64-bit Premium 2.8 Ghz Core 2 Duo T9600 (OCed to 3.06) 4 GB DDR3 Kingston Nvidia 9600m GT OCed with 512 MB

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Nintendo Maniac Registered User Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Northeast Ohio Posts: 108	CUDA support is stupid for the long run, both intel and ATI do not support it. Contrary to what Squall-Leonhart says, CUDA is NOT an open-standard. It may be freeware, but it is definitely proprietary Nvidia technology. Because of that, it would also make little business sense for both ATI and Intel to support it, which would essentially be giving control to Nvidia. Also, unlike CUDA, one of the many benefits of OpenCL is that it can be run on multi-core CPUs instead of a GPU. So if you've got one of those 8-thread Intel i7 CPUs, you would be able to offload the OpenCL code to the rest of your idleing cores and threads if maybe your GPU isn't up to snuff or it's too old to run OpenCL code. (though I'm pretty sure dolphin doesn't support CPU OpenCL currently) __________________ CPU: Athlon XP 2100+ OC'd @ 2GHz (lacks support for SSE2) GPU: Radeon 9600 256MB AGP OC'd @ 420 core : 200 mem RAM: 512MB DDR + 256MB DDR OS: Windows XP Pro SP3

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Nintendo Maniac Registered User Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Northeast Ohio Posts: 108	You missed the part about using idling threads - Dolphin currently only uses 2. Instead of putting some of that load on the GPU, you could instead put it onto your other idling CPU threads. Obviously it'd be better to use the GPU, but not everyone has an OpenCL-supporting GPU, so this would work as a "Plan B". __________________ CPU: Athlon XP 2100+ OC'd @ 2GHz (lacks support for SSE2) GPU: Radeon 9600 256MB AGP OC'd @ 420 core : 200 mem RAM: 512MB DDR + 256MB DDR OS: Windows XP Pro SP3

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Squall-Leonhart Behind ur girlfriend :D Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 18,884	You missed the point. if the cpu is already capable of C, why bother running openCL in software form on a cpu. __________________ VBA-M \| Xtemu \| NGOHQ \| Post Impact Productions \| TNHW \| XBCD 0.2.6 \| Satanic666's Emulator Compiles Don't be a NOOB, READ THE NGEmu/EmuForums Rules of Conduct Need Help with ePSXe? This is your first stop!. If you don't post all the required information, you don't get help. Everytime someone posts a romsite, God kills a beautiful woman.

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Nintendo Maniac Registered User Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Northeast Ohio Posts: 108	You missed the point again. Dolphin with plain C is coded to use only 2 threads, plain and simple. OpenCL however can take advantage of as many threads as available. Therefore, if you have a CPU with more than 2 cores, the OpenCL portion could be offloaded to the rest of your CPU. __________________ CPU: Athlon XP 2100+ OC'd @ 2GHz (lacks support for SSE2) GPU: Radeon 9600 256MB AGP OC'd @ 420 core : 200 mem RAM: 512MB DDR + 256MB DDR OS: Windows XP Pro SP3

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Squall-Leonhart Behind ur girlfriend :D Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 18,884	There is only so many threads you can use before you run into costly synchronisation faults. __________________ VBA-M \| Xtemu \| NGOHQ \| Post Impact Productions \| TNHW \| XBCD 0.2.6 \| Satanic666's Emulator Compiles Don't be a NOOB, READ THE NGEmu/EmuForums Rules of Conduct Need Help with ePSXe? This is your first stop!. If you don't post all the required information, you don't get help. Everytime someone posts a romsite, God kills a beautiful woman.

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Nintendo Maniac Registered User Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Northeast Ohio Posts: 108	Even with OpenCL? O RLY? - YouTube - OpenCL for CPU Scales Applications Easily on Four Six-Core AMD Opteron Processors __________________ CPU: Athlon XP 2100+ OC'd @ 2GHz (lacks support for SSE2) GPU: Radeon 9600 256MB AGP OC'd @ 420 core : 200 mem RAM: 512MB DDR + 256MB DDR OS: Windows XP Pro SP3

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Squall-Leonhart Behind ur girlfriend :D Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 18,884	Those applications don't require intricate thread synching to maintain proper low level timings. __________________ VBA-M \| Xtemu \| NGOHQ \| Post Impact Productions \| TNHW \| XBCD 0.2.6 \| Satanic666's Emulator Compiles Don't be a NOOB, READ THE NGEmu/EmuForums Rules of Conduct Need Help with ePSXe? This is your first stop!. If you don't post all the required information, you don't get help. Everytime someone posts a romsite, God kills a beautiful woman.